Hershey's bans Cadbury's (British Chocolate) from the US

[Ceila]

We've been so spoiled since DH started traveling to Europe for business and bringing back chocolate candy from Germany. I just don't care for American chocolate candy anymore.

 

[bcwife76]

Hershey's chocolate is gross. It should be called American chocolate food, kind of like how they have to call American cheese food because its not real cheese.

Agreed, Hershey's is the most god awful chocolate!! Thank god I live in Canada where I can get Cadbury's chocolate - both made in Canada and imported from the UK! Another perk of being part of the British Commonwealth!

 

[EMAW_KSU]

Why exactly do you think when someone disagrees with your opinion it means they're saying you're not allowed to "think it"???

Also, I don't know how to break this to you, but Cadbury UK also uses the stuff you say makes it "crap" in their UK eggs (click on "Nutritional Information")! See "E476". It's Polyglycerol polyricinoleate... that's what PGPR stands for. And it's in their milk chocolate bars too. It's also not a "preservative" it's an emulsifier.

Let's compare labeling:

Hershey's Milk Chocolate: SUGAR; MILK; CHOCOLATE; COCOA BUTTER; LACTOSE; MILK FAT;SOY LECITHIN;PGPR, EMULSIFIER; VANILLIN, ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR

Cadbury UK Dairy Milk:Milk, sugar, cocoa butter, cocoa mass, vegetable fats (palm, shea), emulsifiers (E442, E476), flavourings.

While you can certainly dislike the taste of Hershey's chocolate, I submit that in comparing the two lists, Hershey's hardly is some sort of "Frankenfood" versus Cadbury's offering. And while we're at it, you do know that Palm Oil has been associated with cardiovascular disease, right?

Isn't replacing the cocoa butter with palm oil a way to make it cheaper?

 

[Geoff_M]

Isn't replacing the cocoa butter with palm oil a way to make it cheaper?

(Ssssssssh! You're spoiling their illusion. Cadbury's is as pure as the driven snow! My personal favorite of theirs is "Crunchy Frog" )

 

[sunshinehighway]

(Ssssssssh! You're spoiling their illusion. Cadbury's is as pure as the driven snow! My personal favorite of theirs is "Crunchy Frog" )

Nobody said Cadbury is as pure as the driven snow.
It's a thread about chocolate. There's no need to get snarky and so argumentative.
It's the way you respond to people which gives the impression they aren't allowed to have an opinion that is different from yours.

 

[EMAW_KSU]

Hardly - there are many questionable ingredients that the U.S. Allows into food that other countries do not. If anything they try to use cheaper (crappier) ingredients in the US.

That is not true. I did a little research last night and found this.

the FDA has set a strict standard that defines what can be labeled as milk chocolate. Consumers can be confident they will be eating real milk chocolate because the label does not allow palm oil to be substituted for cocoa butter.

The FDA (Food and Drug Administration, a federal agency) mandates that in order to be called “chocolate”, the fat content of the cocoa product is limited to cocoa butter (the naturally-occurring fat of the cocoa bean) and dairy (milk) fat.

The cocoa butter in true chocolate melts at human body temperature, giving chocolate a “melt-in-your-mouth” quality, which enhances the cocoa flavor and contributes to the sensory experience of eating chocolate.

Only products containing cocoa solids, cocoa butter and dairy fat can be sold as chocolate in the United States. European Union regulations are different and allow up to 5% of other vegetable fats to be present in true chocolate.

 

[skylizard]

Nobody said Cadbury is as pure as the driven snow.
It's a thread about chocolate. There's no need to get snarky and so argumentative.
It's the way you respond to people which gives the impression they aren't allowed to have an opinion that is different from yours.

No one on this thread ever said Cadbury was healthy. Don't know why some people get so defensive and critical towards others.

 

[Geoff_M]

Nobody said Cadbury is as pure as the driven snow.
It's a thread about chocolate. There's no need to get snarky and so argumentative.
It's the way you respond to people which gives the impression they aren't allowed to have an opinion that is different from yours.

As is often said, people are certainly entitled to their own opinions, but not their own set of facts... particularly when the "facts" they state are wrong or seriously flawed. I'd also like to point out that I also AGREE with posters that other chocolate makers' products are better than Herhsey's product. But, what I objected to was the hyperbole that Hershey's products were inferior because they somehow are adulterated with preservatives and other chemicals (with the added kicker that it might be harmful to one's liver). However, the fact is that Hershey's uses no "preservatives" and in fact Cadbury's uses the same stuff (that one poster cited as a cause of Hershey's being "crap") in their products, albeit listed using EU food labeling standard nomenclature instead of the US common name. I'm no food expert or a chemist, but it took me only couple of minutes to find out that Cadbury used it too.

And perhaps you can point to me where I was out-of-line with what I said in post #48 that drew the reaction from others?

 

[sunshinehighway]

As is often said, people are certainly entitled to their own opinions, but not their own set of facts... particularly when the "facts" they state are wrong or seriously flawed. I'd also like to point out that I also AGREE with posters that other chocolate makers' products are better than Herhsey's product. But, what I objected to was the hyperbole that Hershey's products were inferior because they somehow are adulterated with preservatives and other chemicals (with the added kicker that it might be harmful to one's liver). However, the fact is that Hershey's uses no "preservatives" and in fact Cadbury's uses the same stuff (that one poster cited as a cause of Hershey's being "crap") in their products, albeit listed using EU food labeling standard nomenclature instead of the US common name. I'm no food expert or a chemist, but it took me only couple of minutes to find out that Cadbury used it too.

And perhaps you can point to me where I was out-of-line with what I said in post #48 that drew the reaction from others?

Your manner of posting comes off as condescending, snarky and argumentative. That's where you were out of line. Even with this response you come off that way. Do you really think anything you looked up matters to anyone in regards to their opinion on Hershey's made Cadbury?
Let me help you out, it doesn't. All it does is make you seem defensive and argumentative about something as silly as chocolate.

 

[Geoff_M]

Your manner of posting comes off as condescending, snarky and argumentative. That's where you were out of line. Even with this response you come off that way.

I believe there was none of that in my initial post. I never said their dislike of Hershey's product was "wrong", nor was I argumentative. Was I "snarky" later on? Yes, after I was told that disagreeing was tantamount to telling someone they weren't allowed to have a different option... and then the pseudo-science started.

Do you really think anything you looked up matters to anyone in regards to their opinion on Hershey's made Cadbury?
Let me help you out, it doesn't. All it does is make you seem defensive and argumentative about something as silly as chocolate.

I think where it might matter is to other people that might read this thread and say "Hmmmm, I didn't know that about Hershey's chocolate.... Preservatives? Possible liver damage??? Ick!!!"

 

[jrmasm]

So much anger over chocolate!

 

[Geoff_M]

So much anger over chocolate!

No anger here... in fact, I find many of the comments pretty amusing, personally.

 

[Luv'sTink]

Cadbury is gross! Most chocolate in Canada is gross! I'd rather have Hershey's, if I am going to have chocolate.

 

[skylizard]

...that one poster cited as a cause of Hershey's being "crap"....

Nobody had said Hershey's was crap before your post. Someone stated that US Cadbury had gone to crap and someone else stated some companies using crappier ingredients. But no, no one said Hershey's was crap.

And I was not the one who brought up the liver issues (or whatever) and yet you copied my post in your reply. I didn't bring up the PRG or whatever that is that you were talking about.

 

[jrmasm]

No anger here... in fact, I find many of the comments pretty amusing, personally.

 

[Geoff_M]

Nobody had said Hershey's was crap before your post. Someone stated that US Cadbury had gone to crap and someone else stated some companies using crappier ingredients. But no, no one said Hershey's was crap.

If you wish to suggest that the poster was only making a hypothetical general observation that wasn't directed and any particular chocolate maker, the follow-up post #54 should remove any doubt of that notion. But, I suppose you're right that suggesting that the ingredients used in a product are crappy doesn't have any bearing on, by inference, suggesting that the final product is crap... Or, are you saying that since the person used the term "crappier" then they were saying that ALL ingredients are "crappy" and it's a question of degrees of crappiness of the ones used by one company versus another?

And I was not the one who brought up the liver issues (or whatever) and yet you copied my post in your reply. I didn't bring up the PRG or whatever that is that you were talking about.

I never say you did, I was addressing the 1-2 tag team with a single response. But, can you point to the "preservatives" in the ingredient list of Hershey's Milk Chocolate bars???

 

[Cowboysrule]

I hope they do not ban chocolate from any other countries.

 

[Geoff_M]

I hope they do not ban chocolate from any other countries.

I think you're safe, unless it violates trademarks or they contain small toys inside of them! I have a "thing" for Belgian "seashell" chocolates!

 

[skylizard]

If you wish to suggest that the poster was only making a hypothetical general observation that wasn't directed and any particular chocolate maker, the follow-up post #54 should remove any doubt of that notion. But, I suppose you're right that suggesting that the ingredients used in a product are crappy doesn't have any bearing on, by inference, suggesting that the final product is crap... Or, are you saying that since the person used the term "crappier" then they were saying that ALL ingredients are "crappy" and it's a question of degrees of crappiness of the ones used by one company versus another?

I never say you did, I was addressing the 1-2 tag team with a single response. But, can you point to the "preservatives" in the ingredient list of Hershey's Milk Chocolate bars???

Oh sheesh, lighten up. Argumentative much? Nobody's arguing about the use of the word crap, just you. And there was no "tag team" going on whatsoever. For a discussion about chocolate you are taking this way to serious.

And the "preservatives" was mentioned in the original article. How dare I mention something that was said in the article.

 

[Geoff_M]

Oh sheesh, lighten up. Argumentative much? Nobody's arguing about the use of the word crap, just you. And there was no "tag team" going on whatsoever. For a discussion about chocolate you are taking this way to serious.

Well, perhaps I'm amused that you somehow still think that I'm the one that initially brought the word "crap", or its derivatives, into this thread. But I can assure you that I'm not talking many of the things said here seriously at all.

And the "preservatives" was mentioned in the original article. How dare I mention something that was said in the article.

And "how dare I" mention that you then repeated the claim, and that it is in fact incorrect.

Great... Now I'm hungry for some good chocolate.