Okay, but is it really that different from before covid?

Yes. In my end of June/early July trip we couldn't get over how many ride breakdowns there were. My family has never seen anything like that and have been to WDW 15 times. We also kept getting stuck on rides (not your typical doom buggy stopping for a couple minutes to allow someone with mobility challenges to load-more like 10 minute stops) and had 1 "in show exit" on 7DMT where they had to walk us off the ride.
 
I do not know how typical this is, because today was our first day at HS since 2017, but let me encourage anyone to stick it out with their boarding group on RotR. We got BG 109 at the 1 pm drop. Estimated return was about 5:30. The ride went down about 4 so that got pushed back. We got the notification just before 6:30 as we were in line for TSM. By the time we got to RotR around 7:05, it was down again.

We were told we could go in and wait, with no guarantees. We didn’t know if it wasn’t up at closing time at 8 if they would boot us and apologize. 8 came and went and people started to leave. Around 8:30, the line started moving and it wasn’t stopping. We speculated maybe they were leading us out of the queue to exit. To our delight, however, they led us in and we got to ride, not exiting until 9:05.

We were close to leaving too, and obviously, I am beyond grateful we didn’t. It was incredible! My daughters aren’t Star Wars fans, at all, and my oldest turned to me halfway through and said “We have to try and ride this again on our second Studios day.”

Stick it out, it just might happen for you too!
 

MK evening. Skipper Canteen: good food, I requested anything but the Mess Hall and they put us in the Dining Room. Only a few jokes, the 50s PT was WAY jokier.

Then we walked the Treehouse (retro) and th…..

—-record scratch—-
7 pm. Hubs decided he wanted to do his favs before he went to bed. We suggested delaying for an hour or going to Teacups and People Mover but nope! So it was 40 min at Space and 50 min! for Jungle Cruise. Painful. Jungle Cruise was hilarious though!- non stop new jokes. Why don’t they get clearer audio on the boats- it’s so hard to hear clearly.
Poor Hubs took his bad luck self home and waited a long time for a bus.
———
Meanwhile we rode Big Thunder twice w a 5 min wait and saw the fireworks from the ride. Very cool.
Peter Pan, Small World, headed home. Instant bus.

G’night!
 
We recently got back and had the strangest experience with trying to get a Christmas ornament personalized…. I wanted to get an Olaf ornament and have them write on it ‘some people are worth melting for’ and give it as a gift to a close friend. The Disney Springs Christmas shop told me how much it would cost and helped me figure out where to put the writing but I decided I wanted to check the MK shop just in case they had a different Olaf ornament.
And they did and so I chose that one. I bought it and the counter staff helped me fill out the personalization form and choose an ink color and told me to come back in a few hours for it.
Just a few minutes later I got a phone call from the MK Christmas store telling me they couldn’t put that particular saying on the ornament because it was copyrighted.
Uh huh. Disney couldn’t put THEIR OWN copyrighted saying on THEIR OWN ornament from THEIR OWN movie purchased in THEIR OWN theme park…
I was completely flabbergasted. I suggested they add the copyright symbol and write ‘Disney 2013’ on it but nope. No can do. They ended up just refunding my $48 and giving me the non personalized ornament for free.
SO bizarre. And BOTH shops had been perfectly fine with what I wanted until the engraver went to actually do it so clearly the front counter staff is not aware of this rule! Actually at the Disney Springs shop they checked with the actual engraver to see if that long message would fit on the small ornament they had and apparently that engraver didn’t have an issue with my desired message so maybe I’d have been okay at Disney Springs. I just preferred the ornament at MK. It wasn’t the engraver at MK who called me and when we went back to the shop to talk to him he was not in a Christmas Shop costume so he was clearly a manager of some sort, although he was not a Plaid.
Anyway, there goes buying a doombuggy ornament and having them write ‘beware of hitchhiking ghosts’ on it at some point. 🙄
 
First day of a 7 day pass

thanks for all of the help for RoR - BG 9 on first try! We had our daughter count from 6:59:55 up to 7 and when she said :59, I started the “join,join,join”. Flawless.

staying off site, so we headed to HS for rope drop

turned away at the parking lot at 7:40 and told tocircle around and come back at 8am. Circled back and got in parking line at 7:55, parked at 8 in second row. Rope dropped MMRR and spent about five minutes in line mostly walking as they built the queue.

9:40 boarding for RoR. TSMM next, ten minutes of mostly walking. Went to Galaxy’s edge and we’re blown away. RoR was down so they said ride anytime. We went to MFSR and posted 50 minute wait was 50 minutes. Apparently during the time we went past the big window in the second floor of the queue to the end of the ride, there was a torrential downpour. Great luck for us!

RotR was back up and boarding all groups under BG23. About 20 minutes in line and it was worth the hype. So stinking good.

park was crowded so we did Muppets and then took a break off site.

back at 5pm and we did a walk on at Star Tours, 50 minutes at MMRR, and the split up so my wife and I could single ride RnR -CM warned us that the single rider line was as long as the regular queue, so we met the kids and went to Alien Saucer (15 minutes but mostly because we are 6 and had to wait for a next ride to get on the same ride)

the goal all day was SDD so we entered the queue at 7:50. legit hour wait but so worth it AND THE LIGHTS WERE ON. What a wonderful fun ride and so cool at night!!! and the walk out of the park beautiful with all of the lights on.

MK rope drop today
 
Just checked out of the resort of a 6-night stay (7/3-7/9) and is on our way home. This is my family’s fourth trip but our first time during the 7/4 weekend. We usually visit WDW during last week of July/first week of August. Our last visit was back in 2018. This trip in comparison is the most stressful trip. It is probably because of COVID, limited services at Disney, lack of FP+ and the timing.…..

CROWD LEVEL: high
4th of July crowd is no kidding. I booked that weekend based on the impression that Disney would still be operating with limited capacity. I have always heard of all the wonderful things that would happen at Disney for the 4th of July. I did not experience any of that but crowds during the past week. As mentioned above, we can only visit during the summer and we used to come in late July/early August. The crowds never bothered us until this trip. I will stick with late July/early August weeks in the future.


WEATHER
We anticipated to endure heat and humidity during our trip. But because of the Elsa hurricane/storm, the weather was actually not as hot as what we have experienced in the past during late July/early August. The effect of Elsa on WDW wasn’t much. We brought neck fans and rain jacks (not Disney ponchos) and those are definitely necessities for a WDW trip in the summer.

THE MASKS
Because DS (9) is not yet vaccinated, we wore masks most of the time. There was about 1% of guests wearing masks. There were more mask-wearing CMs then guests. No one bothered us because we were wearing masks. Masks are required on the buses, monorail and sky liners. Compliance was good except for once when we were on the monorail and a group of 10 people didn’t wear masks and that was the only time when we took the monorail.

THE LINES & THE ATTRACTIONS: moving but looooong
we don’t do rope drop. DH and I usually get up at 5am for our jobs so we don’t like to get up early when we are on vacation. During pre-covid time, I would schedule a slew of FP+ throughout the day and we would just jump from one ride to another. The wait was never longer than 10 minutes each. During this trip, we just stood in line and waited and waited and waited, in the rain or under the sun. The standby lines were indeed constantlymoving. Most of the posted wait times are spot on. The only time when we experienced much shorter wait time than the posted time was at the Slingky Dog Dash when it was posted 80 but we only waited 35. Lines were much shorter during the last hour before park closes.That’s when we rode the MFSR when the wait was only 30 minutes. The first time when we rode MFSR we had the whole cockpit by ourselves and it was a lot of fun! The second time we shared it with two other guests who were the pilots And they crashed it a lot!

ROTR was a great ride. I got 2 out of 2 attemps on getting BG at 7am. Once was BG 24 and once was 13. During the second visit, the ride was closed and we were told to return at anytime before the park closes. During the ride, I had to take DS out of the line to use the bathroom to answer a nature’s call. We were in the big room with all the stormtroopers. The CM led us to the bathroom there and let us join the line when he was done with the business. It was interesting how the CM had to break her character and whispered to me “we have bathroom here in the back if you need to use it.”. As soon as we went back to the big room she suddenly went back to her serious tone. It was just so funny.

Fireworks at Epcot was fun. Finding a spot was very effortless.Probably it’s because the show was a filler with less interest. I didn’t bother to go to MK due to the crowd level. Last time my family saw MK’s Happily Ever After was back in 2018 when Disney offered the $50 CL FP+ that included private viewing locations for evening extravaganzas. That was an awesome service and deal!

THE RESORT and TRANSPORTATIONS
We stayed at YC for the very first time and I really like this resort. CMs are friendly. Some of them really went out of their ways to assist my family. YC is a lot calmer and less busier than BC. The ferry service to HS and Epcot is very convenient. The longest that I have waited for ferry was 5 minutes. Buses were okay when we used it. Wait time was around 5-10 minutes. The bus schedule shown on MDE was a
Couple minutes later than the actual arrival time. We took some Lyft rides too when the buses were too full or too late. The SAB pool was very nice. The shower room by the main pool was awesome! Since YC allows dogs, I did see people walking with dogs in and outside of the resort. None of them bothered me. The dogs were all so cute!


FOOD and MOBILE ORDERS
We had dined at several locations (Biergarten, Yak & Yeti, Cape May Cafe, Crystal Palace, Morimoto Asia, Ale & Compass, the Captain Cook, Ronto
Roasters, Docking Bay 7, Marketplace of Ale and Compass) and used mobile orders when we could. I will post our restaurant reviews in the restaurant forum. The mobile order service is really convenient and I hope Disney will keep offering it in the future. I highly recommend placing mobile orders for Ronto Roaster and Docking Bay 7 early in the morning before you leave for the park. Seatings at Ronto Roaster is very limited. So I asked a CM to help me grab a table and he did.

SICKNESS and THE URGENT CARE: BUENA VISTA U/C
On the 4th day of the trip, DS started having fever and other cold-like symptoms. Due to the concern of covid, we took a detour to a local urgent care. the visit went well despite of the hour long wait. Rapid test was negative. DS bounced back to his feet the next day. Last day of our stay, DD went down with the same symptoms and she is a lot better the next say. My kids were remote for the entire 2020-2021 school year. I guess their bodies are just not used to all the physical stimuli that are involved in a Disney trip. I am glad that it was not our first trip to Disney and we have hit all the new rides and more before they went down.

**********************
In conclusion, I am grateful that my family had the opportunity to visit Disney this summer as there are bigger Disney fans who cannot visit at the current time. But value wise, I don’t believe this trip was worthwhile for what it cost us. I won’t recommend Disney to anyone right now. My family probably won’t visit Disney until 2-3 years later. If on-site benefit is still limited, we would consider staying offsite for less cost and bigger spaces. My DH sz we should have gone to Universal Studios this time instead. For once, I agree with him.

thank you for reading my review
 
I have now visited in October 20, April 21, and yesterday.

I had hoped this would be a review of how lines still aren’t that big of a problem and how you can still get things done with ease but the constant closures due to weather derailed many parts of the day and my report really just lets you know what you can complete if you park hope becauseI lost so much of our day to weather.

Two biggest takeaways from before to yesterday: rides that were once 5-10 minute waits are now 15-20 and I will forever miss forced spacing in lines having people crowd again is miserable.

Here is my just the facts report.

Trip Report- 7/8/21

Magic Kingdom: 9a-11p

We had unused tickets we decided to spontaneously use instead of letting them turn into credit. So two days ago I started refreshing for Magic Kingdom park passes and was able to get them for 5 people (2 adults, kids 9, 7, 5, 2)

Agreed to take our time and just see how the day went. Arrived at tolls at 9:50a could not believe how long that line was to pay tolls because we normally rope drop super early. Paid for preferred parking (first time ever) because we did not want to have to walk back to the car super far late tonight. Took 26 minutes to get through tolls. After a delay due to the monorail breaking and having to switch to a bus we walked onto Main Street at 11a.

Headed to Adventureland to find things closed for lightning. Got in Haunted Mansion line, said 50 was 21 minutes.

Went to Jungle Cruise said 55 we were at 31 minutes and close to loading when we got stuck in a lightning delay. Gave up at 50 minutes.

Went to Tiki Room waited 5 minutes to enter. Came out of Tiki room to massive downpour. Went to Peco’s Bill for a snack to wait out the rain. There was another downpour on then horizon so we went over to Fort Wilderness to eat at PJs Takeout before next rain came. The next rain did not come while we ate. We got back into the park at 4:30. I had to run back to the car for dry footwear (did that trip in 26 minutes). While I was gone they did Astro Orbiter that said 50 was 42 minutes.

Went to PeopleMover at 5:40 said 25 was 16 minutes.

Three people went to Space Mountain with a rider swap then we all headed to Carousel of Progress.

Headed to Speedway at 7p, said 20 was 15.

Headed to Little Mermaid at 7:30p said 35 was 23.

Went to Small World said 25 was 15

Got some snacks for Fireworks. Snuck in Carousel really quickly. Watched from behind Carousel so did not see projections.

Left Fireworks early to jump into Peter Pan before all people move. Said 35 was 15.

Went straight to PhilarMagic took 8 minutes.

Headed to Winnie the Pooh said 30 was 16.

Went straight to Pirates to end the night. Got there at 10:40p said 40 minutes was 22 minutes
 
Quick morning at AK before leaving. 6:45 bus to AK. Passed the cars at 6:55 so if at Boardwalk, bus is faster than car.

Everest three times-it didn’t open until 8 am. So only Pandora is opening early.

Then a nice safari- definitely better without the baby elephant drama. Strolled the trails then headed home.

Immediate bus again. Disney transportation was great this whole trip.

that’s it! I’m off to the New Orleans Jazzfest boards now. Thanks all for helping us havethe most fun at Disney.
 
Just checked out of the resort of a 6-night stay (7/3-7/9) and is on our way home. This is my family’s fourth trip but our first time during the 7/4 weekend. We usually visit WDW during last week of July/first week of August. Our last visit was back in 2018. This trip in comparison is the most stressful trip. It is probably because of COVID, limited services at Disney, lack of FP+ and the timing.…..

CROWD LEVEL: high
4th of July crowd is no kidding. I booked that weekend based on the impression that Disney would still be operating with limited capacity. I have always heard of all the wonderful things that would happen at Disney for the 4th of July. I did not experience any of that but crowds during the past week. As mentioned above, we can only visit during the summer and we used to come in late July/early August. The crowds never bothered us until this trip. I will stick with late July/early August weeks in the future.


WEATHER
We anticipated to endure heat and humidity during our trip. But because of the Elsa hurricane/storm, the weather was actually not as hot as what we have experienced in the past during late July/early August. The effect of Elsa on WDW wasn’t much. We brought neck fans and rain jacks (not Disney ponchos) and those are definitely necessities for a WDW trip in the summer.

THE MASKS
Because DS (9) is not yet vaccinated, we wore masks most of the time. There was about 1% of guests wearing masks. There were more mask-wearing CMs then guests. No one bothered us because we were wearing masks. Masks are required on the buses, monorail and sky liners. Compliance was good except for once when we were on the monorail and a group of 10 people didn’t wear masks and that was the only time when we took the monorail.

THE LINES & THE ATTRACTIONS: moving but looooong
we don’t do rope drop. DH and I usually get up at 5am for our jobs so we don’t like to get up early when we are on vacation. During pre-covid time, I would schedule a slew of FP+ throughout the day and we would just jump from one ride to another. The wait was never longer than 10 minutes each. During this trip, we just stood in line and waited and waited and waited, in the rain or under the sun. The standby lines were indeed constantlymoving. Most of the posted wait times are spot on. The only time when we experienced much shorter wait time than the posted time was at the Slingky Dog Dash when it was posted 80 but we only waited 35. Lines were much shorter during the last hour before park closes.That’s when we rode the MFSR when the wait was only 30 minutes. The first time when we rode MFSR we had the whole cockpit by ourselves and it was a lot of fun! The second time we shared it with two other guests who were the pilots And they crashed it a lot!

ROTR was a great ride. I got 2 out of 2 attemps on getting BG at 7am. Once was BG 24 and once was 13. During the second visit, the ride was closed and we were told to return at anytime before the park closes. During the ride, I had to take DS out of the line to use the bathroom to answer a nature’s call. We were in the big room with all the stormtroopers. The CM led us to the bathroom there and let us join the line when he was done with the business. It was interesting how the CM had to break her character and whispered to me “we have bathroom here in the back if you need to use it.”. As soon as we went back to the big room she suddenly went back to her serious tone. It was just so funny.

Fireworks at Epcot was fun. Finding a spot was very effortless.Probably it’s because the show was a filler with less interest. I didn’t bother to go to MK due to the crowd level. Last time my family saw MK’s Happily Ever After was back in 2018 when Disney offered the $50 CL FP+ that included private viewing locations for evening extravaganzas. That was an awesome service and deal!

THE RESORT and TRANSPORTATIONS
We stayed at YC for the very first time and I really like this resort. CMs are friendly. Some of them really went out of their ways to assist my family. YC is a lot calmer and less busier than BC. The ferry service to HS and Epcot is very convenient. The longest that I have waited for ferry was 5 minutes. Buses were okay when we used it. Wait time was around 5-10 minutes. The bus schedule shown on MDE was a
Couple minutes later than the actual arrival time. We took some Lyft rides too when the buses were too full or too late. The SAB pool was very nice. The shower room by the main pool was awesome! Since YC allows dogs, I did see people walking with dogs in and outside of the resort. None of them bothered me. The dogs were all so cute!


FOOD and MOBILE ORDERS
We had dined at several locations (Biergarten, Yak & Yeti, Cape May Cafe, Crystal Palace, Morimoto Asia, Ale & Compass, the Captain Cook, Ronto
Roasters, Docking Bay 7, Marketplace of Ale and Compass) and used mobile orders when we could. I will post our restaurant reviews in the restaurant forum. The mobile order service is really convenient and I hope Disney will keep offering it in the future. I highly recommend placing mobile orders for Ronto Roaster and Docking Bay 7 early in the morning before you leave for the park. Seatings at Ronto Roaster is very limited. So I asked a CM to help me grab a table and he did.

SICKNESS and THE URGENT CARE: BUENA VISTA U/C
On the 4th day of the trip, DS started having fever and other cold-like symptoms. Due to the concern of covid, we took a detour to a local urgent care. the visit went well despite of the hour long wait. Rapid test was negative. DS bounced back to his feet the next day. Last day of our stay, DD went down with the same symptoms and she is a lot better the next say. My kids were remote for the entire 2020-2021 school year. I guess their bodies are just not used to all the physical stimuli that are involved in a Disney trip. I am glad that it was not our first trip to Disney and we have hit all the new rides and more before they went down.

**********************
In conclusion, I am grateful that my family had the opportunity to visit Disney this summer as there are bigger Disney fans who cannot visit at the current time. But value wise, I don’t believe this trip was worthwhile for what it cost us. I won’t recommend Disney to anyone right now. My family probably won’t visit Disney until 2-3 years later. If on-site benefit is still limited, we would consider staying offsite for less cost and bigger spaces. My DH sz we should have gone to Universal Studios this time instead. For once, I agree with him.

thank you for reading my review

Good report. I like the format.
 
We recently got back and had the strangest experience with trying to get a Christmas ornament personalized…. I wanted to get an Olaf ornament and have them write on it ‘some people are worth melting for’ and give it as a gift to a close friend. The Disney Springs Christmas shop told me how much it would cost and helped me figure out where to put the writing but I decided I wanted to check the MK shop just in case they had a different Olaf ornament.
And they did and so I chose that one. I bought it and the counter staff helped me fill out the personalization form and choose an ink color and told me to come back in a few hours for it.
Just a few minutes later I got a phone call from the MK Christmas store telling me they couldn’t put that particular saying on the ornament because it was copyrighted.
Uh huh. Disney couldn’t put THEIR OWN copyrighted saying on THEIR OWN ornament from THEIR OWN movie purchased in THEIR OWN theme park…
I was completely flabbergasted. I suggested they add the copyright symbol and write ‘Disney 2013’ on it but nope. No can do. They ended up just refunding my $48 and giving me the non personalized ornament for free.
SO bizarre. And BOTH shops had been perfectly fine with what I wanted until the engraver went to actually do it so clearly the front counter staff is not aware of this rule! Actually at the Disney Springs shop they checked with the actual engraver to see if that long message would fit on the small ornament they had and apparently that engraver didn’t have an issue with my desired message so maybe I’d have been okay at Disney Springs. I just preferred the ornament at MK. It wasn’t the engraver at MK who called me and when we went back to the shop to talk to him he was not in a Christmas Shop costume so he was clearly a manager of some sort, although he was not a Plaid.
Anyway, there goes buying a doombuggy ornament and having them write ‘beware of hitchhiking ghosts’ on it at some point. 🙄
That's a bummer. Copyrights are weird like that. It's possible that the ornament you picked was actually made by a non Disney company like say Department 56. While they have permission to use Olaf they don't have the copyright for anything he says in the movie. Weird right? Oh well, at least they gave you the ornament for free - that was super nice.
 
Quick morning at AK before leaving. 6:45 bus to AK. Passed the cars at 6:55 so if at Boardwalk, bus is faster than car.

Everest three times-it didn’t open until 8 am. So only Pandora is opening early.

Then a nice safari- definitely better without the baby elephant drama. Strolled the trails then headed home.

Immediate bus again. Disney transportation was great this whole trip.

that’s it! I’m off to the New Orleans Jazzfest boards now. Thanks all for helping us havethe most fun at Disney.
Wait - what's the baby elephant drama? lol
 
Quick morning at AK before leaving. 6:45 bus to AK. Passed the cars at 6:55 so if at Boardwalk, bus is faster than car.

Everest three times-it didn’t open until 8 am. So only Pandora is opening early.

Then a nice safari- definitely better without the baby elephant drama. Strolled the trails then headed home.

Immediate bus again. Disney transportation was great this whole trip.

that’s it! I’m off to the New Orleans Jazzfest boards now. Thanks all for helping us havethe most fun at Disney.
Glad to hear you had a positive time. Do you know if busses from Boardwalk usually leave at 6:45 for rope drop?
 
Did MK on 7/7 for our last day. We did not arrive in the park until 515. We rode Big Thunder twice (posted 25 but waits were 17 min once and 20 once, these were our longest waits), Carpets, Barnstormer x 2, Dumbo x 2, Carousel x 4 (excessive I know), Mermaid, Speedway x 2, Peoplemover, Winnie the Pooh, and SDMT. SDMT had been down for about 90 min, but we were walking by and noticed people going through the line without cars going. Asked the CM and he said it’s just about to start back up so we jumped in and waited a total of 8 min at about 10 pm, complete luck.

We watched the fireworks from near BOG. Lots of people were camping out in the hub when we walked through at 715. Waits also seemed to drop from 9 pm on. For example, Speedway had huge lines (for that ride) when we went by around 730 but we went twice with less than a 5 minute wait at 845. Mermaid was posting a 25 min wait for the beginning of the evening (and it looked it based on the line), but it was a walk on right after fireworks. If you can deal with not seeing projections, you will be able to avoid crowds and get more walk on rides if you watch from behind the castle.

We ordered from Sleepy Hollow at 1055 and took our time eating a snack. Left there at 1125 and were in our car after taking the ferry at 1205. This way we avoided the mad dash of people leaving after fireworks.

We wore masks since DD8 is not vaccinated, and I was actually surprised that i saw more people on masks than I thought. It was still <10%, but we definitely weren’t the only ones. We also didn’t do any indoor rides with long queues and used the ferry instead of monorails or busses. Some had posted about a lot of people coughing around the park...there definitely were some but I didn’t feel like it was crazy. Did notice a lot of people not even bothering to cover a cough or sneeze though or wiping their nose with their hands and then touching handrails....gross. If that is something that would bother you, you may want to consider wearing a mask.

So happy fireworks were back. We did miss character meets and Festival of Fantasy though
 
We recently got back and had the strangest experience with trying to get a Christmas ornament personalized…. I wanted to get an Olaf ornament and have them write on it ‘some people are worth melting for’ and give it as a gift to a close friend. The Disney Springs Christmas shop told me how much it would cost and helped me figure out where to put the writing but I decided I wanted to check the MK shop just in case they had a different Olaf ornament.
And they did and so I chose that one. I bought it and the counter staff helped me fill out the personalization form and choose an ink color and told me to come back in a few hours for it.
Just a few minutes later I got a phone call from the MK Christmas store telling me they couldn’t put that particular saying on the ornament because it was copyrighted.
Uh huh. Disney couldn’t put THEIR OWN copyrighted saying on THEIR OWN ornament from THEIR OWN movie purchased in THEIR OWN theme park…
I was completely flabbergasted. I suggested they add the copyright symbol and write ‘Disney 2013’ on it but nope. No can do. They ended up just refunding my $48 and giving me the non personalized ornament for free.
SO bizarre. And BOTH shops had been perfectly fine with what I wanted until the engraver went to actually do it so clearly the front counter staff is not aware of this rule! Actually at the Disney Springs shop they checked with the actual engraver to see if that long message would fit on the small ornament they had and apparently that engraver didn’t have an issue with my desired message so maybe I’d have been okay at Disney Springs. I just preferred the ornament at MK. It wasn’t the engraver at MK who called me and when we went back to the shop to talk to him he was not in a Christmas Shop costume so he was clearly a manager of some sort, although he was not a Plaid.
Anyway, there goes buying a doombuggy ornament and having them write ‘beware of hitchhiking ghosts’ on it at some point. 🙄
This is not terribly surprising at all. Disney has a number of different companies, with inter-company agreements setting out the terms between them. Disney parks does not own the copyrights, it licenses them for specific purposes (rides characters etc.), and pays a license fee to the Disney company that owns the copyright. So it is not "their own" copyright--even though the organizations are under the same ultimate parent company, they are each separate and distinct legal entities and have to spell out the rights that they have between the companies.

I know it seems a bit silly to an outsider, but it has a very real meaning from an accounting and liability perspective and Disney is not going to get in hot water and violate its inter-company agreements for the sake of a Christmas ornament engraving.

I remember where Disney cruises were cancelled, some people got frustrated that they had to have their cruise fares refunded instead of applying them toward a stay at Disney World. Again--two separate companies. Same concept.
 
This is not terribly surprising at all. Disney has a number of different companies, with inter-company agreements setting out the terms between them. Disney parks does not own the copyrights, it licenses them for specific purposes (rides characters etc.), and pays a license fee to the Disney company that owns the copyright. So it is not "their own" copyright--even though the organizations are under the same ultimate parent company, they are each separate and distinct legal entities and have to spell out the rights that they have between the companies.

I know it seems a bit silly to an outsider, but it has a very real meaning from an accounting and liability perspective and Disney is not going to get in hot water and violate its inter-company agreements for the sake of a Christmas ornament engraving.

I remember where Disney cruises were cancelled, some people got frustrated that they had to have their cruise fares refunded instead of applying them toward a stay at Disney World. Again--two separate companies. Same concept.
Very interesting! It sure did sound bizarre at the time…I wasn’t asking them to write ‘The Boy Who Lived’ on an ornament, lol! A really unhelpful analogy the manager used was to explain that they couldn’t write ‘Florida Gators’ on something…um…yeah that’s not part of Disney, bad example dude! Lol!
 
Very interesting! It sure did sound bizarre at the time…I wasn’t asking them to write ‘The Boy Who Lived’ on an ornament, lol! A really unhelpful analogy the manager used was to explain that they couldn’t write ‘Florida Gators’ on something…um…yeah that’s not part of Disney, bad example dude! Lol!
Yeah, but I bet the ESPN division of Disney DOES have a license to use "Florida Gators" or other sports teams logos/names on certain things--and ESPN's wide world of sports is in fact on WDW property--so it actually not that bad of an analogy!
 














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