Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[Jennasis]

Chiming in late here.

It is possible that Dumbledore is not dead. The portrait in the headmasters office is of DD SLEEPING.

DD could have been pleading with Snape to kill him, not spare him.

I'm sure Draco will play a very interesting role in #7...what exactly did he say to Moaning Myrtle? Crying about what specifically?

Harry could be the 7th Horcrux (how DO you pronounce that anyway??). Though I ten to think not. MANY MANY people would be quite upset if Harry died in the end. However, could the Horcrux be an Inferi (a corpse)? What if it's in the his Mom or Dad and they are Inferi now? CREEPY!

I'm glad Harry and Ginny got together. I expect Ron and Hermione will be official next as will Neville and Luna.

Fascinating book. Sad, but fascinatig.

 

[craig]

Just finished. My opinion is that Dumbledore also created a Horcrux and placed it in Fawkes the phoenix.

In the novel Dumbledore says that Riddle wanted Slughorn's opinion on whether one could create mulitple horcruxes. Dumbledore then went on to say, "No book would have given him that information. As far as I know - as far, I an sure, as Voldemort knew - no wizard had ever done more than tear his soul in two."

He then went on to say, "Then you told me, two years later, that on the night that Voldemort returned to his body, he made a most illuminating and alarming statement to his Death Eaters. "I, who have gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality." That was what you told me he said. "Further than anybody." And I thought I knew what that meant, thought the Death Eaters did not. He was referring to his Horcruxes, Horocruxes in the plural, Harry, which I do no believe any other wizard has ever had."

Still later Dumbledore said, "I think I know what the sixth Horcrux is. I wonder what you will say when I confess that I have been curious for a while about the behavior of the sanke, Nagini?"

"The snake?' said Harry, startled. "You can make animals as Horcruxes?"

"Well, it is inadvisable to do so," said Dumbledore, "because to confide a part of your soul to something that can think and move for itself is obviously a very risky business."

Dumbledore split his soul and placed it in Fawkes then made the deal with Snape. He will return in book seven.

 

[GADISNEYGIRL]

I have a hard time believing that Dumbledore would engage in such dark magic. What would be the purpose? We already know that he is not afraid of death, and believes that Harry is capable on his own. Interesting theory, but I'm afraid I can't buy it!

 

[Maleficent13]

Dumbledore split his soul and placed it in Fawkes then made the deal with Snape. He will return in book seven.

Isn't the book pretty clear that you have to kill someone to create a Horcrux? I don't think DD would have done this.

 

[Daxx]

I have a hard time believing that Dumbledore would engage in such dark magic. What would be the purpose? We already know that he is not afraid of death, and believes that Harry is capable on his own. Interesting theory, but I'm afraid I can't buy it!

I agree w/you! I'd be very surprised to find out that Dumbledore practices dark magic and he sure faced death willingly/freely/unafraid.

Also, a phoenix bursts into flame and is reborn from the ashes. How can you keep a part of your soul in something that dies and is reborn time and time again. Wouldn't the soul be gone the first time the phoenix dies? And, since it's the soul, how can it be reborn with the phoenix? I'm not buying the phoenix as a horcrux either.

 

[Daxx]

Chiming in late here.

It is possible that Dumbledore is not dead. The portrait in the headmasters office is of DD SLEEPING.

Many of the portraits sleep. Remember in OOTP when Mr. Weasley was attacked -- Dumbledore woke up one of the portraits and sent him to his portrait at St. Mungo's to get more info. Remember -- Dumbledore may have been sleeping b/c of all he went through. And, death is "eternal rest", is it not?

DD could have been pleading with Snape to kill him, not spare him.

Oh, yeah -- he was definitely telling Snape to do the killing. I think Dumbledore knew about the whole thing (Snape's binding, the deal w/Draco and Voldemort).

I'm sure Draco will play a very interesting role in #7...what exactly did he say to Moaning Myrtle? Crying about what specifically?

Oh, that's for sure!! What was Draco crying about? I think he was afraid of Voldemort, afraid to kill Dumbledore, afraid of what would happen if he killed Dumbledore or if he didn't succeed in killing Dumbledore. I think he was overwhelmed by what he had to do that he broke down. After all, he's just a kid asked to kill someone or be killed in turn. Pretty heavy stuff there!

Horcrux (how DO you pronounce that anyway??).

I'd like to know that, too. Also, I'd love to know how to pronounce Scrimgeour. I've heard at least 3 different ways and still don't know!

However, could the Horcrux be an Inferi (a corpse)? What if it's in the his Mom or Dad and they are Inferi now? CREEPY!

I thought the horcrux had to be either living or inanimate. I didn't think it could be an inferi. Also, I question it being James or Lily b/c if Harry had to destroy an inferi, even if it were his parents, he'd be destroying a corpse. Even though it was his parents corpse, I doubt that'd be difficult to destroy something that is already dead.

Fascinating book. Sad, but fascinatig.

I wholeheartedly agree!

~Daxx's Wife

 

[barbeml]

If one "divides" one's soul by committing murder, might one "multiply" one's soul by saving lives?

 

[DisneyCowgirl]

I listened to the book on CD's and Jim Dale pronounced horcrux with a long "o" and short "u" (like *****-crux) and Scrimgeour almost like Scrim-Jaw.

Well, the first syllable of horcrux got edited out. Sorry about that--I don't mean to use disallowed words here.

 

[Sirius]

I listened to the book on CD's and Jim Dale pronounced horcrux with a long "o" and short "u" (like *****-crux) and Scrimgeour almost like Scrim-Jaw.

Well, the first syllable of horcrux got edited out. Sorry about that--I don't mean to use disallowed words here.

be careful...

(That's how I've been pronouncing them.)

 

[Daxx]

If one "divides" one's soul by committing murder, might one "multiply" one's soul by saving lives?

Can you have more than one soul? Or do you mean make one's soul stronger?

If so, Harry's soul is strong x3 (or he has 3 more souls?) - once for saving Ginny, once for saving Mr. Weasley and once for saving Ron.

 

[coliebird]

I really think that Dumbledore is dead. I also think that we haven't heard the last of him. I think he will be in book 7 to help Harry from beyond. I can see Harry going to talk to his portrait in the headmaster's office. I think he will spend some time at Hogwarts in the final book. I also think that is where the big showdown between him and Voldemort will take place.

Also, whoever posted the link to the JKR inteview - THANK YOU. That was great reading.

 

[ophie]

Can you have more than one soul? Or do you mean make one's soul stronger?

If so, Harry's soul is strong x3 (or he has 3 more souls?) - once for saving Ginny, once for saving Mr. Weasley and once for saving Ron.

And saving Sirius & Hermione from the dementors, and saving Dudley, and sparing Pettigrew, and... well... I'm sure there are others (what with the MoM battle in OotP & the battle at the end of HBP).

But no, I don't think Harry has more than one soul. The strength of Harry's soul is that it is pure, whole, complete, & unique.

 

[Daxx]

I listened to the book on CD's and Jim Dale pronounced horcrux with a long "o" and short "u" (like *****-crux) and Scrimgeour almost like Scrim-Jaw.

Well, the first syllable of horcrux got edited out. Sorry about that--I don't mean to use disallowed words here.

So, it's pronounced "h-oar-cruh"? (like crumb w/o the -mb?) Or is the x pronounced as in crux rhymes with trucks?

As for Jim Dale's pronunciations -- he pronounces Voldemort in the "French" way -- Voldemore (no t sound) and in the films, the kids say it w/the "t sound" at the end. Also, he pronounces some other words differently that they do in the film (can't recall any now)!

 

[ophie]

As for Jim Dale's pronunciations -- he pronounces Voldemort in the "French" way -- Voldemore (no t sound)

That's the correct pronunciation.

"Is it Voldemort?" "Or Voldemor?" someone asked about Harry's evil nemesis.

"I say 'Voldemor' but I'm the only one," Rowling, who's from Edinburgh, said with a slight Scottish burr.

(link)

 

[Daxx]

How odd that JKR and Jim Dale pronounce Voldemort w/o the ending "t" sound, yet they didn't follow through in the film versions!

 

[barbeml]

Can you have more than one soul? Or do you mean make one's soul stronger?

If so, Harry's soul is strong x3 (or he has 3 more souls?) - once for saving Ginny, once for saving Mr. Weasley and once for saving Ron.

Yes, I mean make it stronger or "invest" some of it in others.

 

[craig]

Another theory is that Voldemort placed the last Horcrux in Harry. His scar is the mark. This would explain how harry can expierience Voldemorts feelings. It also means that Harry must die inorder for Voldemort to die. Unless Harry's power to love can overcome the spell.

 

[ophie]

Another theory is that Voldemort placed the last Horcrux in Harry. His scar is the mark. This would explain how harry can expierience Voldemorts feelings. It also means that Harry must die inorder for Voldemort to die. Unless Harry's power to love can overcome the spell.

Yeah, that's been brought up here. IMO, it's impossible because the spell that LV cast on Harry was Avada Kedavra and not a spell in which he imparts his soul into an object. The spell to create a horcrux could not have been cast after the attempted murder because 1) Harry didn't die and 2) Voldemort was ripped from his body and unable to perform complex magic. There's no way that Harry was an intentional horcrux and even the "accidental" horcrux seems impossible to me. I mean, with all the emphasis on intention and choices, something this important will be decided by an accident?? No way.

 

[DHSsenior007]

I haven't read all pages of this thread, but I did discover a really interesting interview between JKR and two others (they run some big HP fan sites). Here's the link for those that want to check it out. I mean, it definitely denies some theories but yet... okay, you just need to read it! http://www.quick-quote-quill.org/qq-2005.html

 

[nativetxn]

I'm so envious of my future grandchildren (if I'm blessed). They will be able to start with book one and read right through book seven without waiting years in between.

I'm so ready for book seven now. It makes me sad to think that there is only one more coming our way

Katholyn