Harry Potter Complete Book Spoiler Thread

[GADISNEYGIRL]

I think the pensieve can definitely store memories. Until this book they hadn't been stored in bottles. The ones in bottles were the ones he got from someone else. He didn't put them back in the bottles once they were done.QUOTE]

I agree. Remember, Harry has had previous pensieve experiences in Dumbledore's, and also the one in Snape's, where he sees his dad being such a jerk. So I'm sure there is plenty in DD's, just not sure how much help will come from that particular source. JKR said in the mugglenet interview that we will learn quite a bit more about DD in book 7, so I would guess a combination of many factors, possibly including his brother, but likely the pensieve as well.

 

[monarchsfan16]

Is Aberforth (Dumbledore's brother) actually still alive?

 

[ophie]

Is Aberforth (Dumbledore's brother) actually still alive?

We don't know for sure. He was alive last we heard. Also, if he is the barman @ the Hog's Head, then he's still alive in HBP.

 

[septbride2002]

I am re-reading the book now and I just finished Chapter 4. I am reading it much more slowly this time, a chapter at a time while I'm at lunch. I just have to say that the beginning and middle of this book make me smile.

You can tell Harry is dealing with Sirius death and has grown up and matured alot from it. I love that there is more Dumbledore in this book since he is one of my favorite characters.

"Let us pursue that flight temptress, Adventure."

~Amanda

 

[Aneille]

The pensieve can store memories if the owner left the memories in there. Otherwise the pensieve will be empty. In both Dumbledores and Snapes case they used their wand to take out memories and put it in the pensieve.

With Snape it was because he didn't want Harry to accidently see him being ridiculed by James. Harry saw them because Snape had to go somewhere in a hurry and forgot to put them back in his head and Harry then stuck his head in and watched without permission and then Snape ended his Occulmency lessons.

With Dumbledore, Harry again stuck his head in a pensieve without permission and Dumbledore wasn't angry but said he was working with his memories and forgot to put them back before he left.

Dumbledore has the other memories in bottles because they are not his own. He can't put them back anywhere but can store them in the bottle to be used in the pensieve.

Harry may find some memories in the pensieve that Dumbledore forgot to put back in his head before he died, or he could find more bottles of others memories even Dumbledores if he thought them important enough and wanted them to be stored for the future, or he could find nothing.

Only Rowling knows at this point!

I can't wait for the next book.

 

[mcnuss]

I am at work so I don't have my books, but does anyone know the first names of Mr(s) Borgin or Burke? DD keeps thinking there's something about the scene in the shop that is linked to the locket and the RAB reference.

Any thoughts?

 

[ophie]

I am at work so I don't have my books, but does anyone know the first names of Mr(s) Borgin or Burke? DD keeps thinking there's something about the scene in the shop that is linked to the locket and the RAB reference.

Any thoughts?

Burke's first name is Caractucus. We don't know Borgin's.

We know that B&B were interested in reacquiring the locket from Ms. Smith, but (as their employee killed her & stole it) they never had the chance to buy it back from her.

 

[MrsPete]

Harry is a half-blood, since Lily was a mudblood.

No, Lily was a mudblood because her parents were muggles; however, SHE was a witch. Therefore, both of Harry's parents are magical, and he is a "full wizard". He is not pure-blood though because he cannot trace his lineage back through generations of magic (like Ron can).

Evidence: Notice that Draco constantly taunts Hermione, who is muggle-born, but he has never once called Harry a mudblood.

The pensieve

I hadn't thought of the pensieve. I think Dumbledore (who, I'm sure is really dead) will "speak" to Harry is some manner; I was imagining a letter marked "To be opened in the event of my death". The pensieve would be better, and we have seen -- in a previous book -- that Dumbledore does syphon off some of his "excess" thoughts into the pensieve.

1. Neville kills Bellatrix. A LOT. Payback for his parents.).

I am sure that Neville will play a large role in Voldemorte's destruction, and I like your idea! However, I'm not convinced that Neville won't be the one to "do in" Voldemorte himself. I suspect it'll be Harry and Neville killing Voldemorte and Bellatrix; I won't make a judgement about how the pairing off will go.

2. Percy Weasly came back to his parents after GOF and has been pretending to be with the Ministry to keep an eye on the Ministry bigwigs for the Order (but I amnot holding my breath for this one!)).

I think Percy will be reunited with his family -- I don't think JKR would leave the Weasleys with this gaping hole in their hearts. However, I think he will have to swallow his pride in doing so. Plus, I think his father will become Minister of Magic at the end, so it's in ambitious Percy's best interest to "make nice" with his dad/new boss!

3. Snape (who is good in my world) kills an escaped Lucius Malfoy while saving Draco. (If we are going for the soap opera version, he should hook up with Narcissa Malfoy and help raise Draco)).

I am leaning towards the idea that Snape is good. I'm going to re-read some old books to try to find evidence to prove this theory. However, he cannot marry Narcissa -- her husband is still alive in Azkaban.

8. We finally find out what the heck Harry's parents did for a living. You'd think they were Aurors, right? The problem is that they have way too much money for Government work and if it wassomething simple like that, it would already have been mentioned.).

I also think it's odd that we don't know this detail! Why'd they have to go into hiding anyway?

That could be! It would explain why Snape turned on Voldermort since he killed her anyway. I'm sure he could have done a freezing spell or something on her and just killed Harry, if he wanted to.

I can't really buy this idea. How could Voldemort -- even IF Snape was still infatuated with Lily -- promise that her affections would turn from James to Snape?

 

[ophie]

Why'd they have to go into hiding anyway?

Uh... cause Voldemort was hunting them after the prophecy?

 

[phillybeth]

I can't really buy this idea. How could Voldemort -- even IF Snape was still infatuated with Lily -- promise that her affections would turn from James to Snape?

Potions, charms, etc. I mean Voldemort's own mother did it to his father. We've been shown that Lily had been kind to Snape in the past, pehaps enough for for him to think that she could learn to love him through the use of love potions. And I don't think Voldemort promised Snape that Lily would love him- just that Voldemort would spare her life in return for the information about the prophecy.

 

[MrsPete]

Uh... cause Voldemort was hunting them after the prophecy?

Doesn't fit. How would they have known that such a prophecy was made? Do you think Dumbledore would've issued a blanket statement: "All wizarding families who had a son at the end of July should go into hiding now." If so, why didn't Neville's family go into hiding?

 

[katerkat]

Doesn't fit. How would they have known that such a prophecy was made? Do you think Dumbledore would've issued a blanket statement: "All wizarding families who had a son at the end of July should go into hiding now." If so, why didn't Neville's family go into hiding?

Actually, JKR has said that there's only 40 kids Harry's age at Hogwarts, so it wouldn't be too hard for Dumbledore to notify the couple of families who had a kid in July that year. We don't know that Neville's parents DIDN'T go into hiding as well - they were attacked later, after Voldy was gone, so they probably thought it was safe to come out of hiding.

 

[ophie]

Actually, JKR has said that there's only 40 kids Harry's age at Hogwarts, so it wouldn't be too hard for Dumbledore to notify the couple of families who had a kid in July that year. We don't know that Neville's parents DIDN'T go into hiding as well - they were attacked later, after Voldy was gone, so they probably thought it was safe to come out of hiding.

Thank you katerkat. That's exactly right. There were only 2 families that fit the prophecy's criteria (son, end of July, parents who escaped LV) and DD notified them both.

 

[HollyJoy]

First, let me apologize because I am going to post my opinion on something in the book w/out reading through all the posts. It would just take way too long. So I apologize if this has already been touched on. I loved the book. However, as saddened as I was with Dumbledore's death, the book leaves me to wonder if he's really dead. When Malfoy was standing over a defenseless (is that really possible of such a great wizard such as Dumbledore), Dumbledore is trying to persuade him to "come to the right side". He says something about making it appear that he (Malfoy) was killed, and that he could be protected. This, and the fact that Dumbledore insisted that he trusted Snape, makes me think that Snape and Dumbledore were working together (along with Hagrid) in the faking of Dumbledore's death. Any thoughts?

 

[Karel]

I don't think Hagrid was faking.

I think DD might be dead but not gone. Dumbldore trusted Snape and so do I. It was a set up.

I'm glad R/H and H/G are going to be together.

 

[ophie]

I don't think DD was faking because if he weren't really dead his portrait wouldn't have appeared in the Headmaster's office.

 

[HollyJoy]

well see, my thoughts on that are that his portrait would have to appear as part of the charm to convince everyone that he was! lol

 

[ophie]

They really didn't seem like they needed any convincing.

 

[shmoogrrrl]

I am leaning towards the idea that Snape is good. I'm going to re-read some old books to try to find evidence to prove this theory. However, he cannot marry Narcissa -- her husband is still alive in Azkaban.

Well, in my world, Lucius is going to escape and rejoin Voldermort. Who is guarding Azkaban anyway, now that the Dementors are gone?

 

[MickeyMonstersMom]

Who is guarding Azkaban anyway, now that the Dementors are gone?

For a crazy second, I thought of old Mad-Eye - we didn't see much of him in HBP, so maybe he's off coordinating the surveillance at Azkaban. Then I also realized that this guy's days are numbered if the DE's decide to come after him - how many did he himself capture?? Now I'm worried about Moody.