Harry Potter Book 7 *SPOILERS*

[KristinBelle]

I just finished the book and loved it.

 

[Amy]

Yes, but can anyone be a master of death simply by accepting it, or does it have to be in conjunction with the 3 items?

Another poster just reminded me that Harry dropped the stone - I knew that, but couldn't remember where on the timeline that occured.

I'm still confused about the tie between Harry and V - why would Harry be the one protected by V having Harry's protective blood in him? I thought that would have protected V, if anything, not Harry! And let's say that both were protected to some degree by the tie between them and Lily's blood - why then was V killed so easily by the rebounding AK curse that he'd aimed at Harry? I can understand why Harry was able to repel the curse, but why did it kill V so easily? Was it something to do with the fact that he only had a tiny bit of soul left in his body (all the other pieces had been killed) and therefore he was very weak, and Harry's protective blood couldn't save him?

The bold is mine, and I think you're right - Voldemort was weak since the Horcruxes were destroyed, taking most of his soul away from him.

The battle between Harry and Voldemort was just too short - one spell and BOOM! V's dead. Too easy.

 

[KelNottAt]

Would someone please give me the page numbers for Fred's death and Ron-Hermione kiss? (US version)

Thanks.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Yes, but can anyone be a master of death simply by accepting it, or does it have to be in conjunction with the 3 items?

At the time Harry died he had lost the stone, had the cloak in his robe and was master of the Elder wand but did not possess it. He did not die because the curse did not kill him.

I'm still confused about the tie between Harry and V - why would Harry be the one protected by V having Harry's protective blood in him? I thought that would have protected V, if anything, not Harry! And let's say that both were protected to some degree by the tie between them and Lily's blood - why then was V killed so easily by the rebounding AK curse that he'd aimed at Harry? I can understand why Harry was able to repel the curse, but why did it kill V so easily? Was it something to do with the fact that he only had a tiny bit of soul left in his body (all the other pieces had been killed) and therefore he was very weak, and Harry's protective blood couldn't save him?

Lily's blood was making V's spells less potent against Harry. She was protecting Harry. V's soul in Harry was not getting protected by Lily, because she was not his mother.

 

[moviegirl11]

Ok, so in one of the prior books, Voldemort drank some of Harry's blood, so while Voldemort is alive (i.e., the blood w/Lily's protection resides in V's body), Harry cannot die. But Voldemort can be killed, even though he has Harry's blood in him??

Voldemort never drank Harry's blood. In book four, Wormtail uses some of Harry's blood as part of the potion that revived Voldemort and returned him to his body. Voldemort believed that by using Harry's blood it would make him stronger. As he was resurrected using some of Harry's blood, he now carried the protection Lily put on Harry. The result was that he could touch Harry.

Dumbledore was pleased with this because it not only meant Voldemort could touch Harry, it also meant that Voldemort could (unknowingly) destroy the part of his soul that had embedded itself into Harry's head. The whole "walking to his death" thing had to do with getting the horcrux out of his head. Harry thought he had to die in order for that to happen but it turned out, he didnt. He just needed to be avada-kadavra'ed in order to get the horcrux out.

In order to fully kill Voldemort, all of the horcruxes HAD to be destroyed first. Otherwise Voldemort might be ripped from his body once again but he wouldnt be fully destroyed. So it was crucial that Harry get rid of the one in his head, even if it meant dying.

Hope I explained that ok (and correctly).

 

[Sirius]

Would someone please give me the page numbers for Fred's death and Ron-Hermione kiss? (US version)

Thanks.

Hermione and Ron 625
Fred's Death 636-637

 

[triplefigs]

Was the little crying, wailing baby-like thing under the chair in the train station the part of V's soul that had attached to Harry? The 7th Horcrux? Is this why Harry tried to get V to feel remorse, so he wouldn't endure that fate?

 

[U2_rocks!]

At the time Harry died he had lost the stone, had the cloak in his robe and was master of the Elder wand but did not possess it. He did not die because the curse did not kill him.


Lily's blood was making V's spells less potent against Harry. She was protecting Harry. V's soul in Harry was not getting protected by Lily, because she was not his mother.

I didn't think of it in terms of the power behind the spells - good point.

When did V try to use the wand of which H was master against him? In the forest, at the final showdown, or both?

 

[U2_rocks!]

Was the little crying, wailing baby-like thing under the chair in the train station the part of V's soul that had attached to Harry? The 7th Horcrux? Is this why Harry tried to get V to feel remorse, so he wouldn't endure that fate?

I believe so.

 

[Terry36]

Man I am soooo tired today after having read all weekend!!!

This was a very hard book to read. The middle was very long and drawn out...I feel asleep several times. The epilogue was okay however I wished she would have elaborated more on everyone....She left alott to be interpreted. I would have loved to experience both couples engagement and wedding.

My thoughts:

I just knew Hagrid was dead after he fell off the motorcyle at the beginning.

I loved the scene when Ron returned to the tent with Harry; Hermoine went straight off.

I loved their kiss.

Could not believe Kreacher turned into a nice house elf...poor thing never had anyone be nice to him so I guess he never knew how it felt to show kindness to someone.

It was nice to see what Dumbledore was like growing up. Show's he was not as perfect as everyone thought.

Luna - How about the pictures of everyone on her ceiling....NICE. Just goes to show you how close she felt to them.

Malfoy...I wonder how he felt when Harry carried him out of the Room of Requirment and away from the fire....Hopefully this changed his outlook on Harry.
Really wished Longbottom would have been the one to get Bellitrix; she really deserved it from him.

I liked the line about " Boy I see you really have to mean it" or something like that.

How come Vold. could not tell Harry was reading his mind in this book? He helped Harry allot which in turn led to his demise.

Snape - boy was I wrong about him. I knew he loved Lily; I just had that feeling from one of the previous books. I am glad we were able to see his experiences regarding Lily. When he told Harry look at me is the only time I teared up....

That's all for now...

 

[moviegirl11]

At the time Harry died he had lost the stone, had the cloak in his robe and was master of the Elder wand but did not possess it. He did not die because the curse did not kill him.


Lily's blood was making V's spells less potent against Harry. She was protecting Harry. V's soul in Harry was not getting protected by Lily, because she was not his mother.

I disagree. Lily's protection was gone. That happened in book 4. Because Voldemort had Harry's blood in him they both carried the protection. That had no effect on the power of Voldemort's spell. The effect it had is that instead of killing harry, it hit the scar and destroyed the horcrux Harry's been carrying around in his head since he was a baby. That's why Voldemort was affected by the spell as well.

The relevance to Lily's spell was that Voldemort lifted it in book 4 and in doing so, he made that horcrux vulnerable without even knowing it.

 

[ewackwitz]

Yes, but can anyone be a master of death simply by accepting it, or does it have to be in conjunction with the 3 items?

Another poster just reminded me that Harry dropped the stone - I knew that, but couldn't remember where on the timeline that occured.

I'm still confused about the tie between Harry and V - why would Harry be the one protected by V having Harry's protective blood in him? I thought that would have protected V, if anything, not Harry! And let's say that both were protected to some degree by the tie between them and Lily's blood - why then was V killed so easily by the rebounding AK curse that he'd aimed at Harry? I can understand why Harry was able to repel the curse, but why did it kill V so easily? Was it something to do with the fact that he only had a tiny bit of soul left in his body (all the other pieces had been killed) and therefore he was very weak, and Harry's protective blood couldn't save him?

I have to admit that on my first reading of the book, this was a bit confusing to me to. However, I have just read through it a second time (apparently I don't like to sleep much) and I believe this is how it happened:

Harry went into the forest to his death and accepted it freely without fighting back - just like his mother did for him.
Voldemort 'kills' both Harry and himself with the AK curse in the forest. I think the curse rebounded on Voldemort - remember when Harry 'goes back' the Death Eaters sound scared and Voldemort is picking himself off the ground.
Both Harry and Voldemort (that thing under the chair - what was left of his soul) were in the white room.
Because Voldemort still had a Horcrux left behind (Nagini - the snake), he was able to 'go back'.
Because Voldemort had Harry's (mother's) blood in him, Harry was also able to 'go back'.

What Voldemort 'killed' with his AK curse was in fact the Horcrux in Harry's scar. The AK did not 'kill' Harry because the wand would not work correctly against it's master - in this case Harry.

When Harry 'returns' to the forest from the white room, Voldemort is just coming back as well.

When Voldemort tries to Crucio Harry, there is physical movement but no pain since - again - the wand will not work correctly against it's master.

Therefore, when Voldemort tries to silence the crowd and kill other students, the wand doesn't work because in much the same way that Harry's mother died to save him, he 'died' to protect his friends.

Then, when it came time for the final duel, Harry tried to disarm Voldemort while Voldemort tried to kill Harry. Voldemort's spell rebounded onto himself, and since he was not the master of the wand and was not protected by Harry's sacrifice, the spell worked as intended.


Whew! I realize that was a long-winded approach, but I hope it makes sense!


And by the way - I loved the book!

 

[Melora]

Can someone answer a question for me... I am still back reading on page 10 of this thread so sorry if someone else asked this already.

People keep mentioning the person who came to magic later in life..... where was this talked about? Where did I miss it because I cant seem to place any reference to it but I might just be so overwhelmed with everything I just don't remember.

It would mean a lot if someone could clarify it for me..... THANKS!!!!

 

[Jockaroo]

I think it was appropriate that one spell took out Voldemort. Voldemort was all about killing and torture. He cast the avada kedevra spell at Harry as an infant, in the graveyard and in the forest. All times Harry survived. Why did Voldemort think that it would work a 4th time? Because he was so arrogant that he could not see himself failing. Harry could not have cast the AK spell at Voldemort at the end. He had seen the pitiful creature that would be left at death. He had pity for Voldemort and, therefore, would be unable to do the killing curse--he didn't feel it. He gave Voldemort the opportunity to show remorse so his soul could be mended. Harry understood the importance of a soul; remember people fearing the Dementor's kiss worse than death. In the end, beating Voldemort involved disarming him. Lupin told Harry he was known for "expelliarmas", which, if I recall correctly, was taught and demonstrated to Harry by Professor Snape at the dueling club. It was a very fitting end.

 

[moviegirl11]

Can someone answer a question for me... I am still back reading on page 10 of this thread so sorry if someone else asked this already.

People keep mentioning the person who came to magic later in life..... where was this talked about? Where did I miss it because I cant seem to place any reference to it but I might just be so overwhelmed with everything I just don't remember.

It would mean a lot if someone could clarify it for me..... THANKS!!!!

As far as I could tell, no magical person developed magic abilities later in life in this book despite what Rowling said.


Also, I agree with what Jockaroo said. Harry had Voldemort backed into a corner and Voldemort started to realize it but still he refused to believe that he could be defeated. Voldemort's biggest flaw is that he dismisses the power of anything he considers beneath him - like love and friendship. This is why he failed to see the many flaws in his plan. He underestimated love time and again and repeated the same mistakes over and over. Trusting Snape (and dismissing Snape's feelings for Lily as nothing more than desire), attempting to kill harry (and thus causing the same protection Lily gave Harry to apply to every person Harry died for), and then in the end, not seeing all of it even when it was laid out in front of him.

 

[Accentuate+]

I agree, I like Mrs Weasley being so fierce to protect her child. Totally the momma bear instinct kicking in.

I do think that should have been Neville's battle, though. I guess that JKR didn't want him to kill, but I would have liked the closure of what Bella did to his parents coming full circle.

I'm still sad about Fred, he was my favorite twin! At first I thought that George was the reprive- maybe he was supposed to die instead of losing an ear? I can't imagine what life was like for him after losing Fred. Poor Fred- such a short but fun, action-packed life!

I LOVED the line and shouted when i read it...but...in retrospect, I wish Neville had gotten Bellatrix and Ginny had gotten Nagini. As someone else mentioned, it seemed Ginny was set up in earlier books to be powerful for some reason and in the end she didn't get to play a major role. Seeing her go at that snake right after she thought Harry had died would have been awesome!

 

[Tazicket]

I got mine and read it on Saturday. Took about 13 hours.

Was I the only one who thought the significance of Harry having his Mother's eyes had to do with the fact that he ultimately had to sacrifice himself like his Mother did for him?

I never thought about Snape wanting to see Lily's eyes as he was dying- so much more sad.

 

[CraftyMouse]

People keep mentioning the person who came to magic later in life..... where was this talked about? Where did I miss it because I cant seem to place any reference to it but I might just be so overwhelmed with everything I just don't remember.

JKR mentioned this as a teaser in an interview before Book 6 came out so it was a teaser for that book, not this one. The person who came to magic later in life was Merope Gaunt, Voldemort's mother. She was a squib but later was able to use magic to make the powerful love potion that she used on Tom Riddle, Sr.

 

[Twingle]

I got mine and read it on Saturday. Took about 13 hours.

Was I the only one who thought the significance of Harry having his Mother's eyes had to do with the fact that he ultimately had to sacrifice himself like his Mother did for him?

I never thought about Snape wanting to see Lily's eyes as he was dying- so much more sad.

I didn't think that the fact that Harry has Lily's eyes was because he would have to sacrifice himself, but I think that's an interesting idea.

I always thought that Harry's eyes looked like Lily's because of that old saying "the eyes are the windows of the soul". For as much as Harry was compared looks-wise to James, James was always described as being a bit snotty and full of himself - at least when he was at Hogwarts. I think Harry's personality was more like Lily's.

 

[Accentuate+]

Glad I wasn't the only geek who'd read everything Rowling ever said and was looking for all of it in this book.
Did I see misinformation or hasn't she always said that the last word of the last book was 'scar'. Before reading I thought that Harry = Horcrux was really Harry's scar = Horcrux and that once that horcrux (the scar) was destroyed Harry would no longer have the scar. Oh well, loved it anyway.

I wish the epilogue had been more thorough and at least mentioned everyone I cared about but she's left a lot wide open for the fan fiction writers. They can speculate and weave stories around those tidbits for years.

I was sad at so many parts (poor Hedwig and Dobby) but didn't actually cry until they went to Dumbledore's office and saw his portrait. Weird. But I was reading so fast I don't think it all sank in. Will probably get me on the re-read.

Lupin was a marked man from the moment we met him but I wish she'd let Tonks make it for the baby.

Rowling well and truly got me with the Ravenclaw relic. Usually you figure things out before the characters and I just KNEW Aunt Muriels tiara was the diadem, was all but screaming it at the book.

Overall loved it, I think she did a great job of tying up nearly all of the loose ends while leaving some things for imagination, pontification and fan fiction. It drug a little in the middle and I'd have loved a whole 'nother books worth of epilogue but an amazing read and an amazing series. Can't believe it's over.