Halle Berry

[DaParkers]

I doubt he is a racist if he dated a black person. really people?

Do you know how many men have done this? It happens all the time. A
lot of men view women as possessions, and what better way to get under the skin of the opposite race, but by having one of there most prized possessions......A beautiful woman. Didn't slave owners impregnate slaves?

 

[ols386]

I doubt he is a racist if he dated a black person. really people?

Did you read the 3 artices in the link?

Not sure if the info is accurate or not, but it says that he did call her the N-Word. I don't know the guy, but that would indicate to me that it's possible he is.

 

[DaParkers]

I'm sure why you quoted me but who on this thread sided with the white person?

Technically, no one sided with him. But, no one condemned his alleged transgressions either. Not until I brought it up. One person even suggested that she was at fault for being abused. I will say this. I don't want this thread to turn ugly. I was upset when I posted earlier and I apologize for that. I don't mind discussing this topic, but I also, don't want to be the "militant black man" either. Just saying.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

Did you read the 3 artices in the link?

Not sure if the info is accurate or not, but it says that he did call her the N-Word. I don't know the guy, but that would indicate to me that it's possible he is.

To me that just means he used the most hateful word toward her during argument. Doesn't mean he's racist just a nasty person when he fights. It's like watching children fight.

 

[jrmasm]

Technically, no one sided with him. But, no one condemned his alleged transgressions either. Not until I brought it up. One person even suggested that she was at fault for being abused. I will say this. I don't want this thread to turn ugly. I was upset when I posted earlier and I apologize for that. I don't mind discussing this topic, but I also, don't want to be the "militant black man" either. Just saying.

I believe most people are simply commenting on the quotes in the linked article.

And I also think the person that said she was to blame for abuse is not white. Could be wrong...

 

[eliza61]

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Honestly, I find the "one-drop rule" that Halle references to be repulsive. It was designed to segregate people and deny them of the basic human rights only afforded to "white" people. By embracing the "rule", it seems that she also embraces that terrible time in US history and the racists who put that rule in place.

Disclaimer: I'm an African american.
Not saying it is applicable today but let me give you another point of view.

First, that terrible time in history is not really history. we are not talking 1 generation yet. I'm a disser and when I was a little girl, in order to visit my grandparents in Knoxville tenns from nyc. When we got to Washington dc, I had to get off the train and go to the "colored" section on amtrack because the south was segregated. So try to remember, this 1 drop rule is not some ancient history.

Next, like most oppressed people we took the oppression and tried to fashion a culture around it. the one drop rule was often a way for our light skinned brothers and sisters to claim an heritage that the outside world was constantly saying we were "less then". When I was a kid "biracial" was a not a "good" thing. 9/10 times you were ostracized by white folks so the 1 drop gave you kinship to peoples who would accept you for "belonging" to them.

Lastly,
Yes we embrace our history. we are a people who have had to fight for every single "right" that caucasians were granted simply by being born. From George Washington fighting a war of independance all the while routinely sending slaves back to virginia so as to not have to free them until today. We have fought, died and sacrifice for a country that has never ever treated us as one of its citizens. Yet we survive and continue to contribute to that very same country.
My dad a Korean and vietnam vet who won medals and accolades for a country in which he could not even see a movie in his home town because he was colored, still served his country. So yes, I embrace that horrible time in history because we over came it.

Just another view on our country's history.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I believe most people are simply commenting on the quotes in the linked article.

And I also think the person that said she was to blame for abuse is not white. Could be wrong...

I'm not blaming her but after a while you have to question whats going on when EVERY man shes with beats her.

 

[punkin]

Disclaimer: I'm an African american.
Not saying it is applicable today but let me give you another point of view.

First, that terrible time in history is not really history. we are not talking 1 generation yet. I'm a disser and when I was a little girl, in order to visit my grandparents in Knoxville tenns from nyc. When we got to Washington dc, I had to get off the train and go to the "colored" section on amtrack because the south was segregated. So try to remember, this 1 drop rule is not some ancient history.

Next, like most oppressed people we took the oppression and tried to fashion a culture around it. the one drop rule was often a way for our light skinned brothers and sisters to claim an heritage that the outside world was constantly saying we were "less then". When I was a kid "biracial" was a not a "good" thing. 9/10 times you were ostracized by white folks so the 1 drop gave you kinship to peoples who would accept you for "belonging" to them.

Lastly,
Yes we embrace our history. we are a people who have had to fight for every single "right" that caucasians were granted simply by being born. From George Washington fighting a war of independance all the while routinely sending slaves back to virginia so as to not have to free them until today. We have fought, died and sacrifice for a country that has never ever treated us as one of its citizens. Yet we survive and continue to contribute to that very same country.
My dad a Korean and vietnam vet who won medals and accolades for a country in which he could not even see a movie in his home town because he was colored, still served his country. So yes, I embrace that horrible time in history because we over came it.

There was an article (I think last week) in the NY times which addressed concerns of multi-racial people and a lot of them described not being able to fit in anywhere. It was a very interesting read.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

There was an article (I think last week) in the NY times which addressed concerns of multi-racial people and a lot of them described not being able to fit in anywhere. It was a very interesting read.

That's the problem though who says they need to fit in anywhere? They are their own diverse group and we should be teaching them to embrace that vs trying to get them to "fit in".

 

[eliza61]

There was an article (I think last week) in the NY times which addressed concerns of multi-racial people and a lot of them described not being able to fit in anywhere. It was a very interesting read.

I saw that. It is a very hard position. I think that's the trouble Tiger Woods ran into. For many African Americans (myself included, but remember I'm old. ) when a celebrity comes out with the "biracial" label it's almost as a slap in our face, sort of like saying they don't want to be known as Black.

 

[jrmasm]

I'm not blaming her but after a while you have to question whats going on when EVERY man shes with beats her.

Holy cow! You really need to stop.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I saw that. It is a very hard position. I think that's the trouble Tiger Woods ran into. For many African Americans (myself included, but remember I'm old. ) when a celebrity comes out with the "biracial" label it's almost as a slap in our face, sort of like saying they don't want to be known as Black.

Which IMO is wrong because to deny everything else would be a slap in the face to those cultures and those family members.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

Holy cow! You really need to stop.

Really? Why because I question a repetitive behavior where the only common factor is a single person? I'm sorry, abuse is wrong but to say Hallie is innocent is by far one-sided and blind.

 

[eliza61]

That's the problem though who says they need to fit in anywhere? They are their own diverse group and we should be teaching them to embrace that vs trying to get them to "fit in".

In theory, I agree but every one likes to "belong" to have some roots.
For example have you ever seen the show "Who do you think you are?" I love that show but it always makes me a bit envious. I would love to be a person who could trace her roots back to the "old sod" but I can't. Pretty much I can go back 3 generations before segregation or slavery make it impossible.

Every body wants customs, traditions, charateristics that connect them to some one else. I think "fitting in" is a very human trait. we are pack animals, we really are not meant to be solitary.

 

[robinb]

I saw that. It is a very hard position. I think that's the trouble Tiger Woods ran into. For many African Americans (myself included, but remember I'm old. ) when a celebrity comes out with the "biracial" label it's almost as a slap in our face, sort of like saying they don't want to be known as Black.

I would say that feeling goes both ways when someone chooses one race to embrace over another when they are biracial.

 

[HonnyDipp]

I was annoyed with what I saw on Inside Edition last night. She's on the cover of "Ebony" mag with an interview saying that she considers her daughter to be black. She's doing it this way to show the public that she's not turning her back on the black race. I'm a black woman raising bi-racial children, I don't have to prove that to anyone, and if I did, I wouldn't use my kids to show that point.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

In theory, I agree but every one likes to "belong" to have some roots.
For example have you ever seen the show "Who do you think you are?" I love that show but it always makes me a bit envious. I would love to be a person who could trace her roots back to the "old sod" but I can't. Pretty much I can go back 3 generations before segregation or slavery make it impossible.

Every body wants customs, traditions, charateristics that connect them to some one else. I think "fitting in" is a very human trait. we are pack animals, we really are not meant to be solitary.

I love that show. I especially loved the one with Vanessa Williams and her finding out that she had a white GG Grandmother. Which explains her green eyes. My Grandmother was Native American and married my grandfather when she was 16 so it's very hard for me to trace back all of my family but I've been thinking of trying.

I think the sad thing is that you're boxing multi and bi into this box. They have all the traditions of their family they just have more! Which to me is even more fun!

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I was annoyed with what I saw on Inside Edition last night. She's on the cover of "Ebony" mag with an interview saying that she considers her daughter to be black. She's doing it this way to show the public that she's not turning her back on the black race. I'm a black woman raising bi-racial children, I don't have to prove that to anyone, and if I did, I wouldn't use my kids to show that point.

THANK YOU!

 

[eliza61]

I would say that feeling goes both ways when someone chooses one race to embrace over another when they are biracial.

Once again just wanting to point out that the operative word is choose. maybe in todays day and age people really do have a choice (I have my doubts but I'm a born cynic) but for many African Americans the choice of embracing our race was taken from us long ago when we were constantly made to feel inferior and if you were born with a white parent you had no choice at all, because like I said, it was the extremely rare white grandparents who acknowledged the black grandbaby.

I think one of the issues you may not be taking into account is that you are looking at this through a bit of rose colored glasses. You can't imagine ever treating anyone terribly based on the color of their skin because thats the type of person you are. A totally great thing. and you're probably thinking in this day and age it's time to let it go. Unfortunately, I can imagine (more than imagine) being treated that way. and I'm not talking based on events 40 years ago. I'm talking based on events from a lousy 2 summers ago, so once again in my mind, why should I worry about how causcasians view me, I've already had the hate?
Now Halle may be thinking the same thing. who knows.

See for you it's a very alien concept and I'd like to think we are getting better at it and more accepting of various cultures, ethnicities (sp) and faiths.

I'm not really trying to excuse Halles line of thinking (she's a celebrity and they live in their own land) but I can identify with her.

 

[robinb]

I think one of the issues you may not be taking into account is that you are looking at this through a bit of rose colored glasses. You can't imagine ever treating anyone terribly based on the color of their skin because thats the type of person you are.

I really want to respond to your last few posts in more depth but I don't have a lot of time right now to formulate my thoughts . They deserve more than I can give right now .

FTR, I spent many of my formative years on the Southwest Side of Chicago in a VERY racist neighborhood. My own family was only slightly more enlightened. I have seen people treated horribly amd I am looking at things through the racism I saw in my own youth and that is anything but rosy.