Halle Berry

[disneybound2010]

I've been following this story half heartedly. The thing that keeps getting to me are the reports that GA is racist and called her some vulgar names.

MY question is, if he was so racist why was he with her(a woman who refers to herself as black)? Why did he create a child with her that would be biracial and he seems to be completely involved with?

I have known many TRUE racists(hey, I'm ever so lucky to live in Hillbilly nation ) and the ones I know are definitely not going to carry on a relationship with anyone of any color, let alone bring a child into this world and have it be biracial.

Yes, I know you can go back to the days of slaves on plantations and all the activities behind closed doors, but I doubt most of those "relationships" were consenting, if you catch my drift. There definitely wasn't any "love" in those relationships.

I just have a hard time believing that he was racist and an even harder time believing that IF he was, she CHOSE to have a baby with him.

I dunno, maybe I am dumb, but that allegation just doesn't sit well with me.

 

[HonnyDipp]

I'm not a huge fan of Halle. Never really have been. So has there ever been a black leading man opposite her in any of her movies? I know her first movie she was in she was opposite a black man, but that was in the late 80's. Even in her cosmetic commercials, I've never seen a man of color, always a Caucasian. I'm just thinking that if she's having issues with this, if she wants attention, then there is a better way to go about it instead of using her daughter as an example. Plus to quote Judge Judy, "YOU PICKED HIM" for whatever reason, that's her baby's daddy.

 

[Queen2PrincessG]

I've been following this story half heartedly. The thing that keeps getting to me are the reports that GA is racist and called her some vulgar names.

MY question is, if he was so racist why was he with her(a woman who refers to herself as black)? Why did he create a child with her that would be biracial and he seems to be completely involved with? Exactly! I think it's just something that is easy to say in order to bash him.

I have known many TRUE racists(hey, I'm ever so lucky to live in Hillbilly nation ) and the ones I know are definitely not going to carry on a relationship with anyone of any color, let alone bring a child into this world and have it be biracial.Right again! They would find it disgusting.

Yes, I know you can go back to the days of slaves on plantations and all the activities behind closed doors, but I doubt most of those "relationships" were consenting, if you catch my drift. There definitely wasn't any "love" in those relationships.I think there might have been SOME relationships that were both parties wanting to be together.

I just have a hard time believing that he was racist and an even harder time believing that IF he was, she CHOSE to have a baby with him.

I dunno, maybe I am dumb, but that allegation just doesn't sit well with me.

I agree. I think it's slander personally.

 

[NikitaZee]

I've been following this story half heartedly. The thing that keeps getting to me are the reports that GA is racist and called her some vulgar names.

MY question is, if he was so racist why was he with her(a woman who refers to herself as black)? Why did he create a child with her that would be biracial and he seems to be completely involved with?

I have known many TRUE racists(hey, I'm ever so lucky to live in Hillbilly nation ) and the ones I know are definitely not going to carry on a relationship with anyone of any color, let alone bring a child into this world and have it be biracial.

Yes, I know you can go back to the days of slaves on plantations and all the activities behind closed doors, but I doubt most of those "relationships" were consenting, if you catch my drift. There definitely wasn't any "love" in those relationships.

I just have a hard time believing that he was racist and an even harder time believing that IF he was, she CHOSE to have a baby with him.

I dunno, maybe I am dumb, but that allegation just doesn't sit well with me.

I agree with you. I am also reserving my judgement of this whole sad situation based on things that Halle Berry has said herself, directly, while the alleged comments that GA made are coming from second hand sources.

 

[punkin]

I don't know what happened in this case, but I think it is very easy for a racist to be with a person whose race he despises. I think it is particularly likely in an abusive relationship, which this one really seemed to be.

Besides, she is absolutely gorgeous (I mean beyond regular celebrity gorgeous). I don't think many men would care if she was covered in pink polka dots.

 

[bumblebee]

Really? Why because I question a repetitive behavior where the only common factor is a single person? I'm sorry, abuse is wrong but to say Hallie is innocent is by far one-sided and blind.

I'm with, jrmasm. You really need to stop. By saying that Hallie isn't innocent in the abuse she had experienced is victim blaming.

According to the Center for Relationship Abuse Awareness (http://stoprelationshipabuse.org/educated/avoiding-victim-blaming/):

..abuse is a conscious choice made by the abuser. Abusers have a choice in how they react to their partner’s actions. Options beside abuse include: walking away, talking in the moment, respectfully explaining why an action is frustrating, breaking up, etc.

Additionally, abuse is not about individual actions that incite the abuser to hurt his partner, but rather about the abuser’s feelings of entitlement and desire to control his partner.

Victim-blaming attitudes also reinforce what her abuser has been saying all along; that it is her fault this is happening to her. It is NOT her fault or her responsibility to fix the situation; it is the abuser’s choice. By engaging in victim-blaming attitudes, society allows the abuser to perpetrate violence against his partner while avoiding accountability for his actions.

I've been following this story half heartedly. The thing that keeps getting to me are the reports that GA is racist and called her some vulgar names.

MY question is, if he was so racist why was he with her(a woman who refers to herself as black)? Why did he create a child with her that would be biracial and he seems to be completely involved with?

I have known many TRUE racists(hey, I'm ever so lucky to live in Hillbilly nation ) and the ones I know are definitely not going to carry on a relationship with anyone of any color, let alone bring a child into this world and have it be biracial.

Yes, I know you can go back to the days of slaves on plantations and all the activities behind closed doors, but I doubt most of those "relationships" were consenting, if you catch my drift. There definitely wasn't any "love" in those relationships.

I just have a hard time believing that he was racist and an even harder time believing that IF he was, she CHOSE to have a baby with him.

I dunno, maybe I am dumb, but that allegation just doesn't sit well with me.

Just like how people who have friends of various races can be racist, people can be racist and still have relationships with people they are racist against. They think that the person they are with or friends with is an "exception", "not like the others", etc.

Some of my friends have had boyfriends/girlfriends who they didn't think were racist, only to have their SO's true colors come out and reveal themselves at some point.

 

[Robinrs]

Once again just wanting to point out that the operative word is choose. maybe in todays day and age people really do have a choice (I have my doubts but I'm a born cynic) but for many African Americans the choice of embracing our race was taken from us long ago when we were constantly made to feel inferior and if you were born with a white parent you had no choice at all, because like I said, it was the extremely rare white grandparents who acknowledged the black grandbaby.

I think one of the issues you may not be taking into account is that you are looking at this through a bit of rose colored glasses. You can't imagine ever treating anyone terribly based on the color of their skin because thats the type of person you are. A totally great thing. and you're probably thinking in this day and age it's time to let it go. Unfortunately, I can imagine (more than imagine) being treated that way. and I'm not talking based on events 40 years ago. I'm talking based on events from a lousy 2 summers ago, so once again in my mind, why should I worry about how causcasians view me, I've already had the hate?
Now Halle may be thinking the same thing. who knows.

See for you it's a very alien concept and I'd like to think we are getting better at it and more accepting of various cultures, ethnicities (sp) and faiths.

I'm not really trying to excuse Halles line of thinking (she's a celebrity and they live in their own land) but I can identify with her.

wow... AMEN!

 

[SaraJayne]

I don't know what happened in this case, but I think it is very easy for a racist to be with a person whose race he despises. I think it is particularly likely in an abusive relationship, which this one really seemed to be.

Besides, she is absolutely gorgeous (I mean beyond regular celebrity gorgeous). I don't think many men would care if she was covered in pink polka dots.

Yes, she is gorgeous, but once the crazy psycho comes out, it doesn't matter how beautiful you are on the outside. I think that's happened in every single relationship she's been in.

She's had a string of husbands (3?) and boyfriends...and the common denominator is her.

 

[disneybound2010]

I don't know what happened in this case, but I think it is very easy for a racist to be with a person whose race he despises. I think it is particularly likely in an abusive relationship, which this one really seemed to be.

Besides, she is absolutely gorgeous (I mean beyond regular celebrity gorgeous). I don't think many men would care if she was covered in pink polka dots.

I haven't seen anything that would suggest this was an abusive relationship UNTIL HB came out with these allegations of racism in the last few days. Both parties seemed VERY respectful of each other up until now.

My experience with racists is that they view themselves as superior and pure while any other race would be filth to them and "muddying" the waters...a good modern example is HArry Potter. Draco is pure while Hermione is a "mudblood." He would never touch that(well, except in really good fanfic, but I digress) The people I know that are racist are very much like that. They want nothing to do with anyone outside their race, wouldn't have any other relationship with them outside of being forced to(work would be one) and they certainly wouldn't enter into a relationship with them just to call them names(they could do that any time day or night without a relationship)

The other thing is that GA is very much in love with his daughter. Halle has even said what a wonderful father he is and was glad they were coparenting(until he wanted to be legally acknowledged as her father,that is.) I have a hard time seeing him calling the mother of his child all these things and then in the next moment loving and caring for this child who is of the same racial makeup as the mother. That just makes no sense to me.

 

[PaulaSB12]

She is said to have thanked him for his sperm donation which says a lot about her motivations

http://www.okmagazine.com/2011/02/halle-berry-thanks-ex-gabriel-aubry-for-his-sperm/

This seems to have kicked of because he wanted to formalise his custody arrangement and he dated for a while one of the Kardashian sisters. So it seems she is allowed to date and introduce who she wants to their daughter but he isn't.

 

[luvmy3]

I believe most people are simply commenting on the quotes in the linked article.

I know I was, I don't even know the guys name let alone if he was/is a racist abuser towards Halle or anyone else. I was merely here to comment on the mother, father aspect of their relationship, not really anything else since I hadn't read about it.

I saw that. It is a very hard position. I think that's the trouble Tiger Woods ran into. For many African Americans (myself included, but remember I'm old. ) when a celebrity comes out with the "biracial" label it's almost as a slap in our face, sort of like saying they don't want to be known as Black.

I don't get this since you seemed to have an issue with me thinking its sad that a black woman doesn't recognize the white in her bi-racial child? Isn't that kind of the same thing?
FTR, I would feel the same if he gave an interview and said "my dd's white, I'm white so she is white". I just think its sad to not acknowledge (not necessarily deny) that your child is made up of 2 of you, and is part of both, not just one or the other, but I guess thats just because I'm looking through my rose colored glasses. I have no idea what its like to be in a bi-racial relationship or have to raise a child who is bi-racial. I would think in this day and age it wouldn't be an issue, but apparently it still is. However, if he is really an abusive dh I could see Halle, or any woman for that matter, not wanting to acknowledge that her child is made of part of that scum.

 

[bicker]

I doubt he is a racist if he dated a black person. really people?

Isn't that like saying "some of my best friends are black"?

I disagree with the one drop rule also.

What good is that to a young child if some town bigot agrees with the rule?

You really need to stop. By saying that Hallie isn't innocent in the abuse she had experienced is victim blaming.

I agree. There is no place for criticizing anyone for getting "beaten", ever. No matter what. Call the cops if someone is doing something wrong and their conduct needs to be addressed, if you must, but beating someone is always 100% wrong, and 100% the "fault" of the person doing the beating, without exception.

 

[PaulaSB12]

But up to now she has always said what a wonderful father he is. Now he wants to formalise custody he is scaring their child and racist? Come on she is now dating someone new and has decided to provide her child with a new "daddy"

 

[OceanAnnie]

I think it's sad all of this is playing out in public.

 

[happywanderer2]

actually I think of President Obama as a liberal democrat but maybe that's just me.

 

[bicker]

I think it's sad all of this is playing out in public.

I wonder about the harm there would be in banning publication and distribution of any details pertinent to the custody of a minor child. We already ban publication and distribution of details pertinent to national security; Is the "good" served by not extending that protection to minor children greater than the harm the lack of such protection causes minor children, and therefore society?

 

[Disney Doll]

These kinds of stories are the reasons why people should be very careful with whom they choose to have children.

If he is listed on the child's BC as the father, then he has the right to have a custody arrangement, unless it can be proven (other than by HB saying it) that he is a danger to the child.

It seems suspect to me that he was a great guy to hook up with and hang out with for a few years, and shortly after their split they were still "co-parenting" without issues and now she is hanging out with Oliver Martinez and he has had some dates with other women and suddenly he is Satan personified.

Sounds to me like Ms.Berry wants to pretend Nahla is all hers and doesn't have a daddy and Daddy, in this case, is not going to allow that to happen. What the child looks like doesn't really make a bit of difference...call her black, white, biracial, multiracial. The parent who the child looks the most like is not the only one who gets to have custody. It doesn't quite work that way....

Now, if she comes up with concrete proof as to why she thinks he is a danger to the child, then that's a different story. So far I haven't seen any, other than what she says has happened.