FP+ FAQ Update - No FP- for FP+ Users

[ArwenMarie]

I also found the wording to this different on the website too.


FastPass+ – Frequently Asked Questions
Q.

How many FastPass+ selections for attractions and entertainment am I allowed to make during my entire vacation?
A.

The total number of FastPass+ experiences available to you during your visit depends on several factors including availability and the vacation packages and tickets linked to your Disney account. Generally, FastPass+ eligible Guests are able to select one set of FastPass+ experiences each day for every valid theme park ticket linked to their account.

Depending on availability, you should be able to make up to 3 FastPass+ selections for attractions and entertainment each day at one theme park.

Makes me think that if you have vacation packages, or type of ticket linked, may depend on how many FP+ you may receive...

That does look different to me too. I seem to remember that the two conditions before were "FP+ eligible" (whatever that means) and valid ticket admission. But I guess the stuff they mention, whether it's old or new, can fall into "FP+ eligible" or not anyway.

 

[clsteve]

My fear with the new wording is that KTTW cards won't work to grab FP-, but separate tickets will so that offsiters can pull them all day, onsiters who bought their tickets separately can pull FP- in addition to their FP+ and onsiters with packages will be the only ones limited to 3 a day. I understand their desire to stop people from using old KTTW cards, but why can't their software be rewritten to only spit out a FP for current cards?

It would seem to be the logical thing to do, but they're in the middle of the production rollout of FP+. FP- is the legacy system and will disappear very soon. It is extremely rare to enhance/modify a legacy system during a production rollout. Understand that even the smallest code change has to be coded, QA'd, tested and then installed on each device, not to mention changing the whole production rollout project plan.

 

[TXStormtrooper]

I wonder if they took this down already... I went to Help Center and Frequently Asked Questions Section, and don't have Fast Pass + as an option...

It's there on mine right now. Did you do the Update on the app from last night?

 

[TXStormtrooper]

I am betting that pool of paper FPs will be much smaller than FP+ during this busy season. This alone would keep anyone with a ticket that could pull paper FPs from really getting any more than those with FP+. Think about those DHS days when all paper FPs were out by 10. If you got to the park at 9 and pulled a paper FP with a return time of 5 or 6, you wouldn't be able to get any other paper FPs. They would all be out before you would be allowed to pull another one. I guess there may be a chance at MK to pull more than 3 but not much if they draw the paper FP pool way down.

They want those using FP+ to be able to change plans on the fly. They would also want there to be FP+ available for those that show up at check in with no pre-book FP+. And I can imagine that those numbers would be large during the busy Christmas season. They need to increase the numbers in the FP+ for this to be possible. This may be what is going to happen. The FP+ pool is going to get much larger and paper FP pool getting much smaller. This would be a way to limit all guest.

You have a great point. I would love to be able to obtain more than 3 a day, and I think the current 1 park per day limit is not good, but I do not think non-FP+ users will be at an advantage over those with MB and FP+.

 

[mitchwebb]

there is a tread on WDW Easy that is stating people have been denied KTTW cards at check in. Not sure how firmly they asked. I will need to rethink my fast passes if this is really happening

 

[johnf0614]

It's there on mine right now. Did you do the Update on the app from last night?

Yes I did. Although I'm not eligible for FP+ until another few months as my trip is planned for April. So that may be why I can't see it in the FAQ's yet.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

I also found the wording to this different on the website too.


FastPass+ – Frequently Asked Questions
Q.

How many FastPass+ selections for attractions and entertainment am I allowed to make during my entire vacation?
A.

The total number of FastPass+ experiences available to you during your visit depends on several factors including availability and the vacation packages and tickets linked to your Disney account. Generally, FastPass+ eligible Guests are able to select one set of FastPass+ experiences each day for every valid theme park ticket linked to their account.

Depending on availability, you should be able to make up to 3 FastPass+ selections for attractions and entertainment each day at one theme park.

Makes me think that if you have vacation packages, or type of ticket linked, may depend on how many FP+ you may receive...

That does look different to me too. I seem to remember that the two conditions before were "FP+ eligible" (whatever that means) and valid ticket admission. But I guess the stuff they mention, whether it's old or new, can fall into "FP+ eligible" or not anyway.

This is copied from a post that I made back on July 13 that I copied from the just released website FAQ.

Q.
How many FastPass+ experiences am I allowed to reserve access to for each day and for my entire vacation?

A.
The total number of FastPass+ experiences available to you during your visit depends on several factors including availability and the vacation packages and tickets linked to your Disney account. Generally, FastPass+ eligible Guests are able to select one set of FastPass+ experiences each day for every valid theme park ticket linked to their account.

Depending on availability, you should be able to reserve access to up to 4 FastPass+ attractions and entertainment experiences each day.

 

[johnf0614]

This is copied from a post that I made back on July 13 that I copied from the just released website FAQ.

So it does show that at one point it was 4 per day, and now they are advertising 3 per day...

 

[TXStormtrooper]

So it does show that at one point it was 4 per day, and now they are advertising 3 per day...

For awhile you would choose your 3 and it would throw in a 4th bonus one.

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

For awhile you would choose your 3 and it would throw in a 4th bonus one.

This only happened for MK where there are enough rides to be able to do so. And it seemed like it only happened for the month of August or September.

 

[Sheilby]

It would seem to be the logical thing to do, but they're in the middle of the production rollout of FP+. FP- is the legacy system and will disappear very soon. It is extremely rare to enhance/modify a legacy system during a production rollout. Understand that even the smallest code change has to be coded, QA'd, tested and then installed on each device, not to mention changing the whole production rollout project plan.

You have a point, but if KTTW cards won't be able to pull FP- tickets as the FAQ implies then they would indeed have to change the coding on the legacy machines, otherwise the KTTW card will continue to work and this FAQ is just hoping to convince people it won't work.

 

[Jennasis]

Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out.

 

[butterflygirl812]

This is probably just me being a dummy but I have some clarification questions.

We're going the first week of December, staying on rented DVC points, and bought tickets from UCT. They are plastic tickets but I was eventually able to link them to MDE (drama!) and dutifully made my FP+ choices. Upon changing some of those choices, my FP+ got all kinds of messed up. Some are doubled up, some are missing, etc. When I called, they said they couldn't fix it and to give it more time to "self correct" but that if they weren't corrected by the time we go, we should be able to pull FP-. So I've been planning under those assumptions. But after reading on the Dis now I wonder if that would be illegal, immoral, whatever.

Now, getting down to the technicalities here, let's say we check in and they don't give us KTTW, which is fine. If we use our MB to enter the park on the linked UCT tickets and then just happen to have those hard tickets in our hands, would those be able to pull fast passes? Or would we have to enter the parks using those hard tickets, and would that even work? If you use the tickets instead of the MBs for entry, can you then use your FP+ options that are on your MB? I'm not really trying to break any rules. Or maybe I am... which I didn't plan on. I guess I'm just concerned that if the FP+ that we tried to book don't work, is there any way to still pull the FP- we were given as our second option? (And yes, I realize that the CM's you get on the phone don't always give you correct information. I've just been hoping that they did in this case!)

Thanks for helping out a big dummy who's just trying to figure all this stuff out!

I had this same question. I have paper tickets from UCT that I linked to MDE, converting them to paperless tickets, essentially. If you read the info under paperless tickets in the FAQ, it says you cannot convert a paperless ticket back to a physical ticket. So my take on that is that even if I have the physical UCT ticket in hand, because it is already linked to MDE, it is no longer a physical ticket. And there is nothing we can do about it. Looks like we are out of the paper fp pool.

In reality, this may be what Disney is advertising, but is not yet fully enforcing. People not "in the know" well take Disney at its word. Or that could be wishful thinking on my past.

 

[clsteve]

You have a point, but if KTTW cards won't be able to pull FP- tickets as the FAQ implies then they would indeed have to change the coding on the legacy machines, otherwise the KTTW card will continue to work and this FAQ is just hoping to convince people it won't work.

Probably more that they won't activate the card to pull- no code change necessary.

 

[HopperFan]

If you use the tickets instead of the MBs for entry, can you then use your FP+ options that are on your MB?

Thanks for helping out a big dummy who's just trying to figure all this stuff out!

YES. Our last day was also the last day of our AP. We had 2 day tickets also on our MB that we were going to use towards purchasing new APs in February. I did not want to risk the machine hitting the tickets since we were on AP expiration day. We entered using our hard ticket APs. The remainder of the day we used our MagicBands for the FP+, DDP and charging. The band is merely a transponder to the data in your MDE.

 

[sunshine girl]

Unless they limit all tickets to only getting 3 that would be a MAJOR PR nightmare. "Stay onsite and only get 3 FPs while off-siters can pull them all day!"

"And off-siters can get FPs at more than one park per day, too!" I would be irritated if plenty of fastpasses were available at the Magic Kingdom, but I'm not allowed one just because I'd used an FP+ at Epcot earlier that day. Meanwhile off-site non-magicband guests could avail themselves of FP everywhere, for the full day, as many as they can physically obtain. Hmmmmm.

A short-term scenario until FP- is removed completely, but still. The no hopping aspect of FP+ is such a huge bummer, overall!

Even when this is totally rolled-out and the old FP- gone, it'll be tough to be in a park, know that fastpasses remain available for the day, but not be able to get one due to Disney's many new restrictions.

I heard that if somebody has FP+ for the day and they try to get a FP- from the FP machine, they can still get the ticket, but the FP+ and the FP- immediately stick together like magnets and can't be separated. What's going on?

i heard they were issuing rulers to CMs so they can start slapping hands at the machines.

Ha ha!

 

[Missyrose]

"And off-siters can get FPs at more than one park per day, too!" I would be irritated if plenty of fastpasses were available at the Magic Kingdom, but I'm not allowed one just because I'd used an FP+ at Epcot earlier that day. Meanwhile off-site non-magicband guests could avail themselves of FP everywhere, for the full day, as many as they can physically obtain. Hmmmmm.

A short-term scenario until FP- is removed completely, but still. The no hopping aspect of FP+ is such a huge bummer, overall!

Even when this is totally rolled-out and the old FP- gone, it'll be tough to be in a park, know that fastpasses remain available for the day, but not be able to get one due to Disney's many new restrictions.

Ha ha!

Everyone arguing that offsite guests will have it so much better because they can "pull as many FPs as they want" and pull FPs after park hopping is basing these comments on how they remember the FP system. The pool of paper FPs is VASTLY smaller and things are running out earlier. And Disney will only continue to scale back the pool of paper FPs, so it's not going to be the sunshine and rainbows scenario some are painting for offsite guests.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Everyone arguing that offsite guests will have it so much better because they can "pull as many FPs as they want" and pull FPs after park hopping is basing these comments on how they remember the FP system. The pool of paper FPs is VASTLY smaller and things are running out earlier. And Disney will only continue to scale back the pool of paper FPs, so it's not going to be the sunshine and rainbows scenario some are painting for offsite guests.

Exactly. I'm sure they will be dialing back the paper FP machines at the same time, especially with the busy holiday season coming up and all the prebooking going on.

 

[robpa]

I think they are trying to get a feel for what kind of same day fastpasses would be available once more people start booking fp+. Will off site guests be able to pull more fastpasses? Maybe, but doubtful. There are x amount of FP available per ride, per day so the amount available will depend on several factors like how many guests booked their 3 fp+ and how many guests are in the park. They may also being trying to see if they can increase the fp+ allotment from 3 and what better way to test then during some of the busiest times. If a lot of guests are booking fp+ and there are a lot of regular fp available during busy times they may increase the 3 limit on the fp+.

 

[kaetra]

there is a tread on WDW Easy that is stating people have been denied KTTW cards at check in. Not sure how firmly they asked. I will need to rethink my fast passes if this is really happening

Link please!