For you smokers out there......

[bpmorley]

No ashtrays by the Pool...I take as a sign not to smoke....

I don't smoke, but I've never seen a poll that didn't have ashtrays around.

 

[disneynutt1225]

I don't smoke, but I've never seen a poll that didn't have ashtrays around.

Well, I've seen ashtrays at the VWL pool (used them my last trip) and the SSR pool (again, used them on a previous trip).

For the life of me, I can't remember if they have ashtrays IN the pool area for Stormalong Bay - if not, I know they are just outside of Beaches N Cream, which is where I think I went to smoke when I was at the pool.

The thing is, for pools that have a bar, if you go to the bar and ask for an ashtray they'll give you one.

It would be nice if Disney had a clear cut policy about all this. I'd much prefer to be able to enjoy my cigarettes in peace then get nasty looks from people because I'm smoking in a "gray area".

For my upcoming honeymoon, we're going to Disneyland and staying at the Grand Californian. That's entirely smoke free - pool, balconies, all common areas inside the hotel (they have courtyards). It should be interesting, but I'll do what I have to do to get my fix while respecting those around me as much as possible. Luckily, DTD in CA still allows smoking, so I can just go out of the resort and have a smoke if I need to. It shouldn't be that much of a problem.

 

[JimMIA]

A couple of things have been raised again....I stayed in a Non Smoking Room at OKW....outside my room was a bench...next to the bench was an ashtray...I would take that as a sign that you can smoke there.....

The bus stops...They have ashtrays...I would take that as a sign that smoking is allowed there....

The front entrance of the check in area has ashtrays outside the door...Again a sign you can smoke there....

Ashtrays also outside of Olivias...Another sign you can smoke...

No ashtrays by the Pool...I take as a sign not to smoke....

With the exception of the pool, I think your assumptions are consistent with Florida law. Generally, the law forbids smoking in most indoor locations which are open to the public, and permits smoking in most open spaces. So if you see ashtrays in an open area at WDW, I think it's perfectly sensible to assume that smoking is permitted there.

Unless smoking is prohibited at pools, I'd say it's permissible. Not something I'm fond of, certainly, but probably permissible. If it is allowed and I don't like that, my remedy is to appeal to DVC and ask them to change their policy, but I would not criticize smokers for smoking in a permissible location.

So the only law that would be broken by a smoker is smoking in a non smoking room...I think the Balconies are an iffy situation..they are outside...but they are attached to the building.....so hop the rail or lean over and I guess it would be OK to smoke.

I'd argue that the balcony is clearly an integral part of a non-smoking room, and that smoking on the balcony is not only against DVC policy (see the above post where the CMs thanked a member for reporting smoking on an NS balcony), it is also against Florida law. Florida law permits smoking on open patios and decks which are less than 50% enclosed, but I'm quite sure that doesn't mean balconies of NS accommodations. Florida law prohibits smoking in any lodging room unless it has specifically been designated for smoking, so I think it's pretty clear what the intent is.

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I also think smokers would do well to look back at the history of the Florida smoking law. It was not passed by the legislature. Eventually anti-smoking activists collected enough signatures to get the issue on the ballot as a constitutional amendment and it passed overwhelmingly.

Recently, there has been pressure on the legislature to broaden the smoking ban to include just about everything except private residences -- indoor, outdoor, everywhere except private homes. The legislature is not about to pass that, for a variety of reasons. But if that proposal ever makes it to a ballot as a constitutional initiative, it will again pass overwhelmingly.

Don't forget we are the state that now has a constitutional protection for pregnant pigs! Any halfway worthwhile sounding constitutional amendment will pass.

 

[rinkwide]

...The trend has been toward reducing - or eliminating - the number of smoking-optional accommodations...

Do we have an over/under on WDW resorts going 100% smoke-free?

I'd guess 2 years.

 

[JimMIA]

Do we have an over/under on WDW resorts going 100% smoke-free?

I'd guess 2 years.

I don't have a clue, but I think two years is overly optimistic.

I doubt that Disney would make a business decision to eliminate smoking in their resorts.They are not going to alienate their customers who smoke, and I think we see ample evidence of that in the total non-enforcement of the non-smoking rules at MK.

If either the State of Florida or Orange County mandated total non-smoking hotels, obviously Disney would comply with the law, although I'd bet on near-total non-enforcement like they have now.

If the change happens by state constitutional amendment, that would be late-2008 - 2009 at the earliest. It's too late to get it on the ballot for 2006, and it would require a statewide vote.

 

[pb4ugo]

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And finally...WHY don't Jersey Girls pump gas? Florida men want to know!

Because:
a) we'd rather die than touch that dirty thing!
b) we don't hafta - we have petroleum transfer technicians who do it for us!
c) we keep one hand on the wheel and the other holding a pork roll and cheese sandwich!
d) we just got our nails done!
e) all of the above!

thanx for all the info and the time it took to type it!

 

[JerJan]

Because:
a) we'd rather die than touch that dirty thing!
b) we don't hafta - we have petroleum transfer technicians who do it for us!
c) we keep one hand on the wheel and the other holding a pork roll and cheese sandwich!
d) we just got our nails done!
e) all of the above!

thanx for all the info and the time it took to type it!

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Jersey Girls don't pump gas!

 

[NMW]

I remember making a pinch pot ashtray out of clay back when I was in kindergarten.

*sigh*

Those were the days.

I remember going on an elementry school trip to Philadelphia and buying my mother an ashtray with Ben Franklin and the liberty bell on it at the gift shop. My mother wasn't even a smoker! I was so proud when I gave it to her.

 

[NMW]

My guess would be they don't want to inhale some of the really nasty stuff that is found in gasoline

It is illegal in the state of New Jersey to pump your own gas. I went to college in PA though, so I knew how to pump gas. When I moved to PA (6 years ago) I had forgotten how to do it-plus the pumps were new and different than the older ones. I had to ask the man pumping gas across from me how to use the machine the first time I did it! It was pretty embarassing-he looked at me like I was nuts. Even when I explained I was from NJ...I think he still thought I (or my former state) was weird.

 

[JimMIA]

It is illegal in the state of New Jersey to pump your own gas.

Oregon is the same way, and they get really grumpy about it if you start! I'm sure they bill it as a safety initiative, but I always looked at as one of those "employ the otherwise unemployables" programs.

 

[bpmorley]

It is illegal in the state of New Jersey to pump your own gas. I went to college in PA though, so I knew how to pump gas. When I moved to PA (6 years ago) I had forgotten how to do it-plus the pumps were new and different than the older ones. I had to ask the man pumping gas across from me how to use the machine the first time I did it! It was pretty embarassing-he looked at me like I was nuts. Even when I explained I was from NJ...I think he still thought I (or my former state) was weird.

Hard to figure out, but even though everything is full serve in NJ. Gas is still more expensive and you have to pump your own in philly.

 

[DVCconvert]

I wonder why there isn't as much rabble about those folks who are required to pump gas as there is about those who might work in an environment that they may be exposed to 2nd hand smoke?

 

[Nanajo1]

I'm not capable any longer to pump gas but I think a few years ago new regulations were implemented to limit the amount of fumes that escape while pumping.
BTW in MA I find it difficult to find a full service station to pump for me. I have to wave my HP placard at someone in the office or ask another customer to get someone to come out and pump for me. Maybe I should move to NJ.

 

[jdkdorn]

When I booked my trip for next Oct today the member services cm asked me if I wanted smoking or non-smoking, is this something new?

In the past I have always had to tell them that due to my severe asthma I need a non-smoking for medical reeasons. I had her put that on the reservation anyway, but I never had them ask me my preference before. I hope this means that they have finally heard us and will be offering bookings based on the availabbility of smoking or non like a regular hotel does.

Have a great Thanksgiving everyone
Judy

 

[tjkraz]

Doubt it. I think they are simply showing good customer service by asking the guest in advance so that smoking preference is always listed on the reservation. We've had some CMs ask us while others do not.

 

[Granny]

I agree with tjkraz. I am willing to bet that smoking/non-smoking is the #1 requested thing and the CM was just asking if you had a preference. I would think that some (many?) people don't think about requests and end up with a smoking room and subsequently complain. So it's in Disney's best interests as well as ours to ask the question.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Whenever I make a reservation, the CM usually asks if I still want non-smoking for medical reasons. THey must have it on the record page.

 

[tjkraz]

Whenever I make a reservation, the CM usually asks if I still want non-smoking for medical reasons. THey must have it on the record page.

That's a good point about the prior requests. Now that I think about it, I believe the same thing has happened to me, with the CM asking: "Would you like .... this time as well?

 

[DebbieB]

Did they ask you before or after they checked availability? If it was before, it might be a change.

 

[TAKitty]

I think I am usually asked if we want nonsmoking or smoking. I always request nonsmoking and we get it. As a nonsmoker, I sometimes forget that there are smoking rooms. I am glad that we have always gotten our request.