For you smokers out there......

[YesYourMajesty]

Yes, your majesty...you are, not surprisingly, missing the point completely.

Wow. You are rude and presumptuous. How in the world would you know what is "not suprising" for my character?

Have a magical day....

 

[CarolA]

Wait until they check out and get the bill! That's when the fine appears.

We have been staying here for WEEKS (months even) So far no fine. None shows up later on credit card bills either. Trust me I would know. I am dealing with all of our billing so I see all of our Marriott bills!

 

[CarolA]

Yes, your majesty...you are, not surprisingly, missing the point completely.

No you missed her point.

Yes, smoking is bad for you but it is NOT illegal so why should DVC be required to ban it.

As the poster pointed out, drinking is bad for you. DVC does not offer you a choice of non-drinking floors/building so your child MIGHT see a person drinking....

The way a lot of folks eat at Disney is bad for them. So Disney put some healthier options on the kids menus. Apparently the "health nazis" only want to ban smoking. The outcry over offering apples instead of french fries has been AMAZING!

I don't smoke. I also don't think it's my RIGHT to impose my views on anyone else. (And I am always amazed that the DVC boards have SO MANY people with medical conditions. I wonder... more DVC folks then average seem to have "health conditions" that require non-smoking and a bath tub..... )

 

[Beca]

I am a respectful person. But, I dont see where anyone else has the right to tell me what I can and cant LEGALLY put in my body. I'm not shoving it in your face.
Personally, I dont drink alcohol. Maybe Disney should go alcohol free. Alcohol causes liver and kidney disorders, cancers and can effect cardiac stability.
Maybe Disney should stop selling double cheeseburgers, french fries, hotdogs, pretzels, ice cream, etc because the overeating of fatty foods causes heart disease and obesity. Maybe they should have "no pizza or fried chicken rooms."

Yes, but drinking and over-eating do not pollute the room for others who follow behind you. OVER drinking can POSSIBLY lead to drunk-driving, if people choose to drive, and obesity certainly does cause our tax dollars to increase; however, none of these choices will send my mother to the hospital because she was in a room with someone choosing to drink or overeat.

My mom cannot eat at an establishment that allows smokers...we must choose a different restaurant. My mom cannot go into casinos (except the ones in Vegas, because they constantly pump O2 into the room, and filter out the bad). And, if my mom stays in a hotel room that has been smoked in, her lungs will close and we will end up in the emergency room. I have been in rooms where I could not smell smoke at all, only to see my mom having an attack. Thank goodness for inhalers!!

 

[dianeschlicht]

Yes, but drinking and over-eating do not pollute the room for others who follow behind you. OVER drinking can POSSIBLY lead to drunk-driving, if people choose to drive, and obesity certainly does cause our tax dollars to increase; however, none of these choices will send my mother to the hospital because she was in a room with someone choosing to drink or overeat.

My mom cannot eat at an establishment that allows smokers...we must choose a different restaurant. My mom cannot go into casinos (except the ones in Vegas, because they constantly pump O2 into the room, and filter out the bad). And, if my mom stays in a hotel room that has been smoked in, her lungs will close and we will end up in the emergency room. I have been in rooms where I could not smell smoke at all, only to see my mom having an attack. Thank goodness for inhalers!!

Well said.

 

[Beca]

(And I am always amazed that the DVC boards have SO MANY people with medical conditions. I wonder... more DVC folks then average seem to have "health conditions" that require non-smoking and a bath tub..... )

You do realize how insulting that statment is....don't you? Belittling someone's medical condition when you cannot know what their condition is, is just mean. My mother would much rather be able to not worry about the rooms she enters, and would love to throw her inhalers away. Just be glad you are healthy, and hope it never happens to you. My mom was relatively fine until her 50's (she would get a sinus infection when she was around smoke, but that was all)....now, she has six minutes to get it under control, or we have to call for an ambulance....six minutes isn't that long.

 

[LisaS]

We have been staying here for WEEKS (months even) So far no fine. None shows up later on credit card bills either. Trust me I would know. I am dealing with all of our billing so I see all of our Marriott bills!

Would you mind sharing the location of this Marriott? I would like to be sure I never stay there. They have no business advertising themselves as a non-smoking hotel if they don't enforce it and I would like to be sure I never give that particular Marriott my business.

 

[JodyTG]

You do realize how insulting that statment is....don't you? Belittling someone's medical condition when you cannot know what their condition is, is just mean. My mother would much rather be able to not worry about the rooms she enters, and would love to throw her inhalers away. Just be glad you are healthy, and hope it never happens to you. My mom was relatively fine until her 50's (she would get a sinus infection when she was around smoke, but that was all)....now, she has six minutes to get it under control, or we have to call for an ambulance....six minutes isn't that long.

I'm not sure that she was belittling anyone. I, personally, was talking to someone at the BCV quiet pool last year that were laughing about lieing to the front desk about their son's (non-existent) "medical condition" because they didn't want a smoking room. They said that "the air just gets too stale or something in such a small space"...

This said while we were smoking together outside.

So, yes, some people do lie to get what they want.

 

[CarolA]

You do realize how insulting that statment is....don't you? Belittling someone's medical condition when you cannot know what their condition is, is just mean. My mother would much rather be able to not worry about the rooms she enters, and would love to throw her inhalers away. Just be glad you are healthy, and hope it never happens to you. My mom was relatively fine until her 50's (she would get a sinus infection when she was around smoke, but that was all)....now, she has six minutes to get it under control, or we have to call for an ambulance....six minutes isn't that long.

WHAT?

I said I wonder about some folks and I belittle you??? If you aren't fibbing then YOU should not have felt insulted...

 

[crisi]

I'm not sure that she was belittling anyone. I, personally, was talking to someone at the BCV quiet pool last year that were laughing about lieing to the front desk about their son's (non-existent) "medical condition" because they didn't want a smoking room. They said that "the air just gets too stale or something in such a small space"...

This said while we were smoking together outside.

So, yes, some people do lie to get what they want.

I've told the story before about my "friend" who was so asthmatic that no one could smoke near her, she couldn't be anywhere where anyone had smoked previously, and was at real risk of hospitalization if someone's clothes smelled like smoke.....

yet would regularly hang out at the smokiest bars in the Twin Cities to hear her favorite band play.

I'm not saying that everyone with health issues lies (my cousin has a daughter where hospitalization is a real risk - and happens regularly), but, IMO, a significant percentage of people will lie to get what they want.

And I also wonder when people who have these huge health problems get stuck in a smoking room (as has been reported on occation) and stay there (as has also been reported). Sure you are out your points for the night, but there are about a gazillion hotel rooms in Orlando - some can be had for pretty darn cheap. I'd think I'd spend $60 a night to avoid a hospital trip - even if it meant a hotel off property.

 

[dumbo71]

Smoking thread???? I can't believe this isn't closed yet.

I'm not even going there thank you.

 

[Beca]

WHAT?

I said I wonder about some folks and I belittle you??? If you aren't fibbing then YOU should not have felt insulted...

No, your insinuation is that so many are lying....that DVC seems to have so many more people with "special needs" than other places. It just reeks of the "why are there so many people in wheelchair" threads.

Maybe there ARE a larger percentage of DVC owners with breathing issues. When you think about it...DVC is owned in large part by two demographics: retired people with excess money and time on their hands, and people with small children. MANY children suffer from asthma, and some outgrow it. There are also many retired folks who begin to suffer from breathing issues as they age. Scientific studies are also showing allergies and asthma to be dramatically increasing....some studies are showing it is related to increased carbon monoxide in the air. So yes, more people ARE beginning to have issues who did not have them before.

If you saw my mom checking it at a DVC resort asking for a non-smoking room, you would probably roll your eyes and call her a liar. She looks like a normal, happy 60+ year-old...she is not in a wheelchair, lugs her own luggage, walks all over the parks, and generally looks very healthy. My mom is not walking around a hotel lobby displaying her inhaler, but you can bet it is always with her.

I have NO doubt that some people DO lie about the issue, but your insinuation that there are a large number of DVCer's who do this is insulting.

 

[JimMIA]

From what I've heard, at least one of the hotel chains that have banned smoking charges offenders $250 if they smoke in the room. That helps cover the hotel's cost to get the smell out of the room and also serves as an effective deterrent. Apparently, when they only charged $100 for violating the policy, some people still smoked in the rooms. When they raised the fee to $250, that put an end to it.

Last summer, I stayed at two Best Western's out west (Helena, MT and Spokane, WA) and both were totally non-smoking and charged a "fine" if someone smoked in their rooms.

I asked at both places whether they actually enforced it or not, and they both said yes. The one in Helena said they had originally had a $100 fine and had increased it to $150 because the original fine hadn't been enough to deter smokers from breaking the rules. I think the one in Spokane was either $150 or $200.

Both said they had received challenges to credit card charges for the fines, but they'd prevailed because they have a statement right on the registration form where the guest acknowledges the no-smoking policy and the amount of the fine.

 

[JimMIA]

Yes, smoking is bad for you but it is NOT illegal

Actually...smoking IS illegal inside virtually every building which is open to the public in Florida.

Private homes, bars that have less than 10% of their sales in food, and designated hotel sleeping rooms are the EXCEPTIONS granted in the law. But the basic Florida law is no smoking indoors.

[ETA: I went back and checked the actual law, and it seems it's even more restrictive than I thought. Two of the key corrections are bolded above. Violations of Florida's Clean Indoor Air Act are punishable by a $100 fine for the first offense and $500 for any subsequent offenses. Everything I read in the law indicates that smoking anywhere in a hotel except a designated smoking room is a violation. The law specifically states that designated smoking rooms may be established by hoteliers, but they are under no obligation to do so.]

 

[JimMIA]

Smoking thread???? I can't believe this isn't closed yet.

I'm not even going there thank you.

I asked that same question about this thread a few months ago, Dumbo.

I was told that it was felt it was helpful to keep it open (in addition to the main smoking thread) as long as it remains civil.

 

[mwehttam]

(And I am always amazed that the DVC boards have SO MANY people with medical conditions. I wonder... more DVC folks then average seem to have "health conditions" that require non-smoking and a bath tub..... )

I don't see it as lying for someone that doesn't have a documented health issue to use medical as a reason to request NS room. Someone that is perfectly healthy as well as someone with a condition should not be subjected to having to stay in a smoke ridden room. Being in this type of room can cause a healthy person to have problems. It is DVC’s and Disney’s responsibility to have enough NS rooms to accommodate all. If there are not enough, you convert more. If they have to go completely smoke free, so much the better. When I made our first reservations as a members in Sept for our trip in July, I didn’t need to ask for a NS room as MS automatically gave me one since we will be there with our 8 month old DS. A baby of course should not have to be subjected to a smoke filled room. But you know what? Neither should healthy adult.

-Matt

 

[CarolA]

I don't see it as lying for someone that doesn't have a documented health issue to use medical as a reason to request NS room. Someone that is perfectly healthy as well as someone with a condition should not be subjected to having to stay in a smoke ridden room. Being in this type of room can cause a healthy person to have problems. It is DVC’s and Disney’s responsibility to have enough NS rooms to accommodate all. If there are not enough, you convert more. If they have to go completely smoke free, so much the better. When I made our first reservations as a members in Sept for our trip in July, I didn’t need to ask for a NS room as MS automatically gave me one since we will be there with our 8 month old DS. A baby of course should not have to be subjected to a smoke filled room. But you know what? Neither should healthy adult.

-Matt

And if you say you have a medical condition when you don't that is NOT lying? I guess it's also OK to park in handicapped parking spaces when you aren't because they are close to the door? I mean why should you have to walk that far just because you are able bodied???

Sorry, but lying is lying. Your logic has a flaw. In your world as long as you get what you want then it's OK to lie! I am pretty sure in those Ten Commandments there was no exception on the "Thou Shalt not Lie" Are you planning to teach your child it's OK to lie to get what you "think you deserve"??? However, I figure it goes around. If you claim a medical condition to get a non smoking room someday you will really have a medical condition that requires it (and hopefully others will have been more considerate then you and you will get the room you need!)

 

[CarolA]

No, your insinuation is that so many are lying....that DVC seems to have so many more people with "special needs" than other places. It just reeks of the "why are there so many people in wheelchair" threads.

Maybe there ARE a larger percentage of DVC owners with breathing issues. When you think about it...DVC is owned in large part by two demographics: retired people with excess money and time on their hands, and people with small children. MANY children suffer from asthma, and some outgrow it. There are also many retired folks who begin to suffer from breathing issues as they age. Scientific studies are also showing allergies and asthma to be dramatically increasing....some studies are showing it is related to increased carbon monoxide in the air. So yes, more people ARE beginning to have issues who did not have them before.

If you saw my mom checking it at a DVC resort asking for a non-smoking room, you would probably roll your eyes and call her a liar. She looks like a normal, happy 60+ year-old...she is not in a wheelchair, lugs her own luggage, walks all over the parks, and generally looks very healthy. My mom is not walking around a hotel lobby displaying her inhaler, but you can bet it is always with her.

I have NO doubt that some people DO lie about the issue, but your insinuation that there are a large number of DVCer's who do this is insulting.

And for proof of my "insinuation" see mwehttam's post where he says "its ok to lie to get a nonsmoking room"

I rest my case!

 

[bpmorley]

I was under the impression that 95% of all DVC rooms were non-smoking. So why is it so hard to get a non-smoking room?

 

[mwehttam]

And if you say you have a medical condition when you don't that is NOT lying? I guess it's also OK to park in handicapped parking spaces when you aren't because they are close to the door? I mean why should you have to walk that far just because you are able bodied???

Sorry, but lying is lying. Your logic has a flaw. In your world as long as you get what you want then it's OK to lie! I am pretty sure in those Ten Commandments there was no exception on the "Thou Shalt not Lie" Are you planning to teach your child it's OK to lie to get what you "think you deserve"??? However, I figure it goes around. If you claim a medical condition to get a non smoking room someday you will really have a medical condition that requires it (and hopefully others will have been more considerate then you and you will get the room you need!)

Logic not flawed. You can't compare parking in a handicap spot the same as being subjected to a smoke filled room when it is dangerous to your health. I should never have to deal with a Smoking Room if I so choose. If the only way I can is to say I have a medical condition, so be it. As a healthy adult, how do I know staying in a Smoking Room for 10 nights will not affect me in some way? I for one will not take that chance and I don't expect anyone else to either. If we all start demanding NS rooms, DVC will have to comply and go NS for all. That will be a glorious day.

-Matt