F9/11 - Heat is on

It's interesting that MM admits this is an "op-ed" piece, not a documentary. Some interesting quotes:

"Well, it's an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration. And that's what I call it. I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism..."

THEN...

"No, I'm presenting the truth."

THEN

"And I am making my comment on their preliminary report."

THEN

"Did I mention it's a comedy too?"

AND

"And when I've watched it with audiences, you hear a lot of sniffling and crying in the audience." (Insert comment here: Most of the people sniffling and crying were regretting having spent so much money and time to watch this tripe when they could have been doing something productive. :smooth: )

So, it's an op-ed piece that's not fair and balanced, but it's also the truth, but it's also a commentary, but it's also a comedy that makes people sniffle and cry. Who knew MM was so creative? :rolleyes:
 
I have a frined in NYC who has seen it already. He says that it was, suprisingly, backed by facts. He is a Bush supporter, but some of the actual footage has got him really thinking about his stance for the upcoming election. I won't get into the details, as I'm not into debates, but it's going to be an interesting film, if nothing else.
 

So, it's an op-ed piece that's not fair and balanced, but it's also the truth, but it's also a commentary, but it's also a comedy that makes people sniffle and cry. Who knew MM was so creative?

Perhaps Kerry has found a running mate?
 
Originally posted by inaminute
Perhaps Kerry has found a running mate?
:rotfl: But then again, the two of them do fit together very well.
 
He says that it was, suprisingly, backed by facts. He is a Bush supporter, but some of the actual footage has got him really thinking about his stance for the upcoming election.


Great Stuff - start packing George :bounce:
 
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Originally posted by Eeyore1954

So, it's an op-ed piece that's not fair and balanced, but it's also the truth, but it's also a commentary, but it's also a comedy that makes people sniffle and cry.

What a great example of how you can put statements together - each one made by MM, but out of context - and make him look completely idiotic.

Not that he hasn't accomplished that all on his own. ;)
 
Originally posted by disneydad2
What a great example of how you can put statements together - each one made by MM, but out of context - and make him look completely idiotic.
It wasn't that hard, either! I'm glad to see someone caught my point, because this is one of the major problems I have with his films.
 
Originally posted by disneydad2
What a great example of how you can put statements together - each one made by MM, but out of context - and make him look completely idiotic.

Not that he hasn't accomplished that all on his own. ;)

........ In his own words. :rolleyes: That's what he did w/ Charlton Heston.... He took clips of what he said here, clips of what he said there, spliced them together and made up an evil statement by CH. But he used facts to back up his argument, didn't he?!? Yup, CH said every single one of those words. That's a fact. They are in CH's voice, so does that make the arguments backed up in facts. NO. Splicing words together turns the stmts into fiction.

He then highlights a Today Show transcript right after he shows the Heston ordeal which says "....... 48 hours after the death of....." leading the viewer to believe that CH was on the show speaking. Heck, you are looking right at the transcript and it says 48 hours after the death of that child.... it's in print.... it must be true. So he is backing up his arguments w/ facts. But if you look closer, you will notice that it was Bill Clinton who was actually on the show 48 hours after the child's death and it was Bill Clinton that made the statement to Katie Couric, not CH. So he may back up his arguments w/ factual stmts, transcripts, information, etc., but it's factual info about other events and other people, not the ones he is pretending them to be. So he is doing worse than just giving an opinion. He is misleading the viewer to believe that he has factual info to back up his claims, and then takes info from a totally different source and uses it to back up his argument and agenda.

If I highlighted text from an Al Qaeda website that said, "KILL ALL THE INFIDELS," as I showed a picture of MM with his fist in the air, then showed a picture of the transcripts at the Academy Awards, highlighting Michael Moore ranted about the gov't and such, would that be wrong? Well, that is what he does, and some of us are like the Pied Piper rats following his every word as he leads us in whatever direction he wants us. He makes me sick and is making idiots out of us. Yeah, he backs his arguments up w/ facts. Yeah. :rolleyes: Start looking for his transcripts he highlights for the dates, or maybe the names.... you'll be surprised that the transcript has nothing to do w/ the topic at hand. Or next time he shows President Bush speaking.... did his tie change, is it 2 different speeches, or did he need 3 to get his point across? Come on people. Don't let MM pull the wool over your eyes.
 
Or, now here's a novel thought, don't review something you have not seen.

BTW, for those who missed it, here's a review from FOX, written by someone who did not like Blowling For Columbine.

http://www.fahrenheit911.com/about/nypremiere/


'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovation
By Roger Friedman / FOXNews.com
Tuesday, June 15, 2004

The crowd that gave Michael Moore's controversial "Fahrenheit 9/11" documentary a standing ovation last night at the Ziegfeld Theater premiere certainly didn't have to be encouraged to show their appreciation. From liberal radio host/writer Al Franken to actor/director Tim Robbins, Moore was in his element.

But once "F9/11" gets to audiences beyond screenings, it won't be dependent on celebrities for approbation. It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.

As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" - as we saw last night - is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty - and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice.

Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," particularly where I thought he took gratuitous shots at helpless targets such as Charlton Heston. "Columbine" too easily succeeded by shooting fish in a barrel, as they used to say.

Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and bin Laden families.

First, I know you want to know who came to the Ziegfeld, so here is a partial list:

Besides Franken and Robbins, Al Sharpton, Mike Myers, Tony Bennett, Glenn Close, Gretchen Mol (newly married over the weekend to director Todd Williams), Lori Singer, Tony Kushner, "Angela's Ashes" author Frank McCourt, Jill Krementz and Kurt Vonnegut, Lauren Bacall (chatting up a fully refurbished Lauren Hutton), Richard Gere, John McEnroe and Patti Smythe, former U.N. ambassador Richard Holbrooke, Carson Daly, NBC's Jeff Zucker, a very pregnant Rory Kennedy, playwright Israel Horovitz, Macaulay Culkin, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Kyra Sedgwick, Linda Evangelista, Ed Bradley, Tom and Meredith Brokaw, director Barry Levinson, NBC anchor Brian Williams, Vernon Jordan, Eva Mendes, Sandra Bernhard and the always humorous Joy Behar.

If that's not enough, how about Yoko Ono, accompanied by her son, Sean, who's let his hair grow out and is now sporting a bushy beard that makes him look like his late, beloved father John Lennon?

And then, just to show you how much people wanted to see this film, there was Martha Stewart, looking terrific. I mean, talk about an eclectic group!

Now, unless you've been living under a rock, you know that this movie has been the cause of a lot of trouble. Miramax and Disney have gone to war over it, and "The Passion of the Christ" seems like "Mary Poppins" in retrospect. Before anyone's even seen it, there have been partisan debates over which way Moore may have spun this or that to get a desired effect.

But, really, in the end, not seeing "F9/11" would be like allowing your First Amendment rights to be abrogated, no matter whether you're a Republican or a Democrat.

The film does Bush no favors, that's for sure, but it also finds an unexpectedly poignant and universal groove in the story of Lila Lipscombe, a Flint, Mich., mother who sends her kids into the Army for the opportunities it can provide - just like the commercials say - and lives to regret it.

Lipscombe's story is so powerful, and so completely middle-American, that I think it will take Moore's critics by surprise. She will certainly move to tears everyone who encounters her.

"F9/11" isn't perfect, and of course, there are leaps of logic sometimes. One set piece is about African-American congressmen and women presenting petitions on the Florida recount, and wondering why there are no senators to support them.

Indeed, those absent senators include John Kerry, Hillary Clinton and Ted Kennedy, among others, which Moore does not elaborate upon. At no point are liberals or Democrats taken to task for not supporting these elected officials, and I would have liked to have seen that.

On the other hand, there are more than enough moments that seemed to resonate with the huge Ziegfeld audience.

The most indelible is Bush's reaction to hearing on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, that the first plane had crashed into the World Trade Center.

Bush was reading to a grade-school class in Florida at that moment. Instead of jumping up and leaving, he instead sat in front of the class, with an unfortunate look of confusion, for nearly 11 minutes.

Moore obtained the footage from a teacher at the school who videotaped the morning program. There Bush sits, with no access to his advisers, while New York is being viciously attacked. I guarantee you that no one who sees this film forgets this episode.

More than even "The Passion of the Christ," "F9/11" is going to be a "see it for yourself" movie when it hits theaters on June 25. It simply cannot be missed, and I predict it will be a huge moneymaker.

And that's where Disney's Michael Eisner comes in Not releasing this film will turn out to be the curse of his career.

When Eisner came into Disney years ago, the studio was at a low point. He turned it around with a revived animation department and comedy hits such as "Pretty Woman" and "Down and Out in Beverly Hills."

But Eisner's short-sightedness on many recent matters has been his undoing. And this last misadventure is one that will follow him right out the doors of the Magic Kingdom.
 
Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
And letting each of us make up our own minds about the film?

DE seems only to be pointing out that - with the right editing - MM can make YOUR mind up about the film. Many people made up their minds after seeing 'Bowling for Columbine' only to change it once the facts of what MM did came out.
 
If it's not politically motivated, they should delay releasing the film until after the november elections.

Studios delay releasing films all the time for various reasons. No reason they couldn't be delayed.
 
Originally posted by crazyforgoofy
And letting each of us make up our own minds about the film?

I'm not saying you shouldn't make up your own mind. All I am asking is for all of us to use our minds when making up our minds. Too many of us take everything he shows as fact w/o doing the work to see if what he says is true. If he claimed the film is for entertainment and fun only, then we could all watch it and just have fun. But he claims it is a documentary, connecting dots which have no relationship to each other whatsoever. By doing that, I feel he is misleading the viewers. That's all. Didn't mean to offend you.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
Or, now here's a novel thought, don't review something you have not seen.

Guess what? I wasn't reviewing the film F911. I was giving examples of how he mislead the viewers in Columbine. Someone had mentioned that in F911 MM did back up his argument w/ facts. All I was doing was trying to show how he backed up his argument w/ facts in Columbine and turned his argument into fiction. You are right, I didn't see F911 yet, but if he uses the same tactics he used in Columbine, then he will again be misleading the viewers. I guess you could say I was giving you a heads up. Hence I said, look for the tie change, or the dates in the transcripts, to give you some ideas of what to look for when watching the film yourself. But if you want to take everything he says as truth, then that is your right.
 
Originally posted by disneydad2
DE seems only to be pointing out that - with the right editing - MM can make YOUR mind up about the film. Many people made up their minds after seeing 'Bowling for Columbine' only to change it once the facts of what MM did came out.

Thanks disneydad2. ::yes:: That's exactly what I was thinking. I appreciate you trying to make my argument more succint and clear.

Ok, I've taken that chill pill. I've got to go get some work done. See ya all.
 
Originally posted by faithinkarma
Or, now here's a novel thought, don't review something you have not seen.
Thanks, FIK. But all the quotes in my post were from MM's interview yesterday with ABCNews. It wasn't a review of the film, which I have no intention of going to see -- unless MM gives away free tickets AND free popcorn. :smooth:
 
Will be playing starting Friday at the Enzian here in Orlando... do plan to catch it....

(after Super Size Me!)
 














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