F9/11 - Heat is on

[sue1013]

Shortbun count me and the other hundreds of imbeciles that were on the street 2 blocks down from the WTC, most people thought it was an accident. Of course we smartened up when the 2nd one hit.

 

[Tinkbell]

I haven't seen the movie or the footage of Bush reading to the children yet. I'm sure if he were to comment on it, he would say that he did not want to alarm the children or the school by leaving in a hurry. Still, I'm a bit disturbed that he wasn't gathering all the information he could upon hearing the news. A simple, "Excuse me for a moment.", would have been perfectly accpeptable. He is the president of the United States--- things unexpectedly come up! Even if it turned out to be a plane crash, thousands of Americans have just been killed! Doesn't that warrant some sort of emotion or action?

 

[Grog]

1945 Plane Crash Rocked NYC

Actually, I remembered reading about the 1945 crash and my first thought was that it was some kind of similar accident.

 

[N.Bailey]

Count me in for being an imbecile too. I thought it was a terrible accident. I was at my inlaws canning tomotoes with my DH, MIL, and my FIL. They too were imbeciles. Once the 2nd plane hit, I was very uneasy about my kids being in school. I knew it was crazy because we live in central PA, but I just wanted them near me, so I could see they were perfectly safe.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by acepepper
He sat there for eleven minutes, ELEVEN MINUTES. This is the President of the USA, who's just heard his country is under attack. In that context eleven minutes is an eternity. He didn't have to jump up and start running around like a headless chicken, he could have quietly made his excuses and left in a dignified manner. Not sat there like a frightened rabbit waiting for someone else to make a decision for him.

How do you know what was going on in his head for those eleven minutes?

And how do we know that MM didn't use loop-back editing to make appear that it was eleven minutes?

I don't recall seeing anything but stills from that moment in time where an aide was talking into his right ear.

 

[charlie,nj]

I had to edit this post I forgot thje most imporatant time 9:05 am when Bush was told about the second plane..so that is where the 7 minutes comes from..



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by a DISer:

“He is the president of the United States--- things unexpectedly come up! Even if it turned out to be a plane crash, thousands of Americans have just been killed! Doesn't that warrant some sort of emotion or action?”
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at 9:29 am First reports of casualties indicate that at least 6 (six) people are dead and 1000 injured....not 1000's killed.

New York State didn’t declare a state of emergency until after the second tower fell.

My sons who were right across the river from the WTC had early dismissal at 12:30pm. Like I said a lot of people in the area didn't think it was an all out attack on the US.

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Here are a few more times from my copy of LIFE magazine:
(I don't think that Bush thought we were under attack at first, see the 9:29 casualties report of 6 dead)

6:00 am: President Bush awakes at the Colony, a resort in Longboat Key, Fla.

8:47 am: First plane hits tower #1

9:00 am: Bush arrives at a Sarasota, Fla, school to promote his education program. White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card tells him that a plane has crashed into the WTC.

9:02 am: the second plane crashes into the south tower.

****I forgot this one ****
9:05 am: The President is sitting in with a second-grade class when Card whispers to him that yet another airplane has stuck the twin Towers.

9:12 am: Bush leaves the school and is in touch with NYC officials as well as VP Dick Cheney at the WH.

9:29 am: First reports of casualties indicate that at least 6 (six) people are dead and 1000 injured.

9:30 am: with students and teachers looking on, Bush, having been briefed by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, delivers his first official remarks on the catastrophe: ‘We have had a national tragedy. Two airplanes have crashed into the WTC in an apparent terrorist attack on our country.” He orders “a full-scale investigation to hunt down and to find those folks who committed these acts” and says he will immediately return to Washington.

9:41 am: plane crashes into the Pentagon.

9:45 am:: WH is evacuated.

9:48 am: US Capitol is evacuated…other federal DC buildings are closed.

9:50 am: the south tower of the WTC collapses.

9:55 am: Bush hastily departs on an evasive route for Barksdale Air Force Base, outside Shreveport, La.

10:00 am: Aboard Air Force One en route to La, Bush calls VP Cheney and puts America’s military on high-alert status. The President shifts through updates from his staff.

10:00 am: plane crashes in Shanksville, Pa.


10:28 am: the north tower of the WTC collapse.

10:30 am: NY Governor declares state of emergency.

10:41 am: The president is aboard Air Force One, which is headed toward Jacksonville to join up with jets providing air cover. On the phone from a protected area of the WH, VP Cheney presses Bush not to return quickly to DC.

10:46 am: US Secretary of State Powell cuts short his trip to Latin America to return to the USA.

1:15 pm: Bush departs for Air Force One in a camouflaged Humvee. While en route to Offutt Air Force Base near Omaha, he talks to Cheney again and schedules a 4 pm meeting of his national security staff. He also talks to Giuliani and Pataki “I know your heart is broken and your city is strained, and anything we can do, let me know” Bush says.

1:27 pm: a state of emergency is declared in Washington, DC.

2:50 pm: Bush arrives at Offutt Air Force base in Nebraska, where he descends into a cinderblock bunker. There he teleconferences with the eight-member National Security Council.

4:36 pm: Bush leaves Nebraska aboard Air Force One to return to Washington. While in the air he renews his telephone link with Rice and Cheney.

6:54 pm: Bush arrives at the WH.

8:30 pm: OUR president speaks to the nation on television.

8:35 pm: Bush attends a security meeting.

 

[Jimbo]

In Slate today, Christopher Hitchens wrote an article - Unfairenheit 9/11 - that really skewers the film. Regarding the seven minutes, Hitchens says:

Many are those who say that he should have leaped from his stool, adopted a Russell Crowe stance, and gone to work. I could even wish that myself. But if he had done any such thing then (as he did with his "Let's roll" and "dead or alive" remarks a month later), half the Michael Moore community would now be calling him a man who went to war on a hectic, crazed impulse. The other half would be saying what they already say—that he knew the attack was coming, was using it to cement himself in power, and couldn't wait to get on with his coup.

The article is really worth reading, and since it's written by a renowned lefty perhaps it will carry a little more weight with Moore's true believers.

 

[acepepper]

Originally posted by Jimbo
In Slate today, Christopher Hitchens wrote an article - Unfairenheit 9/11 - that really skewers the film. Regarding the seven minutes, Hitchens says:

The article is really worth reading, and since it's written by a renowned lefty perhaps it will carry a little more weight with Moore's true believers.

Christopher Hitchens, a renowned lefty??!! That can't be the same Christopher Hitchens I know.

Nobody's saying that Bush should have done a Russel Crowe impression and scared the kids. All he needed to do, as has already been stated, was make a polite excuse and a dignified exit. Make it look like he was doing SOMETHING, rather than looking like he was scared to stand up because he'd made a mess in his pants.

 

[jrydberg]

Make it look like he was doing SOMETHING, rather than looking like he was scared to stand up because he'd made a mess in his pants.

Well now that's not a very dignified approach to this subject. Again, I'd say if we're getting into interpreting what he may or may not have thought in those few minutes, then he's done a pretty good job.

 

[Mouse Man]

Originally posted by charlie,nj
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8:47 am: First plane hits tower #1

9:00 am: Bush arrives at a Sarasota, Fla, school to promote his education program. White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card tells him that a plane has crashed into the WTC.

9:02 am: the second plane crashes into the south tower.

9:12 am: Bush leaves the school and is in touch with NYC officials as well as VP Dick Cheney at the WH.

9:29 am: First reports of casualties indicate that at least 6 (six) people are dead and 1000 injured.

9:30 am: with students and teachers looking on, Bush, having been briefed by National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, delivers his first official remarks on the catastrophe: ‘We have had a national tragedy. Two airplanes have crashed into the WTC in an apparent terrorist attack on our country.” He orders “a full-scale investigation to hunt down and to find those folks who committed these acts” and says he will immediately return to Washington.

9:41 am: plane crashes into the Pentagon.

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This TIME magazine timeline is confusing. Says he leaves the school at 9:12, but at 9:30 he is with students. Also, who reported that an airplane crashing into the WTC at 8:47 am would kill just SIX people? There are more than 6 people on the plane alone! Common sense would tell you that more people would die than 6. Regardless, 6 or 6,000, Bush had no business reading to students at 9:30!

 

[treesinger]

I'm not an MM fan, but I'll try to stay apolitical.

I think righties and lefties should see it. As a rightie, I know MM will manipulate footage for a desired result. The trick is to PAY ATTENTION and separate the wheat from the chaff. Undoubtedly, MM will hit a target here and there, and those points interest me. But I also know to keep my BS detector on so I don't get sucked in to any of his manipulations.

 

[Elwood Blues]

BFC was on the other day so I decided to watch it. Sorry to say that I could only stand to watch about 15 minutes of before I turned back to watching SpongeBob.

 

[charlie,nj]

Mouse Man - I noticed that also..I will see if I can find the on line time line. I got it from my copy of the 9/11 LIFE mag.

I also just noticed I left out the 9:05 am time where Bush was informed of the second plane hitting ...I am going to edit my post and put it in.

As I remember the 6 confirmed dead bodies were the first ones found on the streets near the WTC..

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by treesinger
I'm not an MM fan, but I'll try to stay apolitical.

I think righties and lefties should see it. As a rightie, I know MM will manipulate footage for a desired result. The trick is to PAY ATTENTION and separate the wheat from the chaff. Undoubtedly, MM will hit a target here and there, and those points interest me. But I also know to keep my BS detector on so I don't get sucked in to any of his manipulations.

Very well said !!! I think I am intelligent enough to know when I am being manipulated. I will see this film, but I won't be parking my brain at the door. As the reviewer from FOX ( certainly not a lefty) said:





But, really, in the end, not seeing "F9/11" would be like allowing your First Amendment rights to be abrogated, no matter whether you're a Republican or a Democrat.

It turns out to be a really brilliant piece of work, and a film that members of all political parties should see without fail.

As much as some might try to marginalize this film as a screed against President George Bush, "F9/11" - as we saw last night - is a tribute to patriotism, to the American sense of duty - and at the same time a indictment of stupidity and avarice.

Readers of this column may recall that I had a lot of problems with Moore's "Bowling for Columbine," particularly where I thought he took gratuitous shots at helpless targets such as Charlton Heston. "Columbine" too easily succeeded by shooting fish in a barrel, as they used to say.

Not so with "F9/11," which instead relies on lots of film footage and actual interviews to make its case against the war in Iraq and tell the story of the intertwining histories of the Bush and bin Laden families.

 

[Eeyore1954]

FIK, I respect your opinions, even when I disagree with them. However, you need to give that FoxNews review of "F 9/11" a rest. Repeatedly posting the review or now excerpts from it is like beating us over the head with the point ---> I think most people got the point the first, second or third time around.

 

[faithinkarma]

Sorry...you are right...I just got the idea that few had actually read it. It was very long. And, as we all know, mant posters do not read entire threads. There were just so many different points in it, I found it quite compelling, considering the source. There are many similar reviews, but I do know how people prefer their sources to be on an " approved " list. I will be sure to use a different one next time.

You are of course free to skip over what you have already read.

 

[Truth]

Charlie,
are you really interested in the truth or only the parts of it that let you keep your assumptions ?

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by faithinkarma
You are of course free to skip over what you have already read.

Trust me ... I do! It's just that I'm afraid of wearing out my scroll mouse skipping over the repetitions.

 

[faithinkarma]

truthfully, I had not realized I had repeated it more than once here...I thought the other times were on a different board. Perhaps it is time to put away the keyboard. Thanks for taking the time to point out my error.

 

[Eeyore1954]

Did I say this was an "error?" Can't remember using that specific word and I didn't mean to imply that. You are probably correct that this was posted on a couple of different threads.

Repetition comforts me for a time, then closes in. -- Mason Cooley)