Drinking while pregnant

[jodifla]

But, what are we trying to prevent? Alleged birth defects that we don't know are even caused by a small amount of alcohol?

I read all the research too, when I was pregnant, and came to the conclusion it didn't amount to much.

Again, most birth defects are random.

 

[jodifla]

I repeat my earlier question - does the waitress deserve to loss her job for what she did?

Well, I'd say she at least deserves a talking to from the manager.

 

[kaabost]

Yes, it's new...and it doesn't really jive with what we already know from past experience.

How DID those of our generation do so well with mothers who drank?

Because drinking increases the RISK of neurological disorders. As I said in my previous post, some babies will be born with NO neurological problems, given any kind of drinking exposure. But mothers who drink will be more LIKELY to have babies with neurological disoorders. Those who drink very little will have a slightly increased risk above those who do not drink at all. RISK is the key word.

 

[FSUGrad97]

But, what are we trying to prevent? Alleged birth defects that we don't know are even caused by a small amount of alcohol?

I read all the research too, when I was pregnant, and came to the conclusion it didn't amount to much.

Again, most birth defects are random.

But why take the risk? Is the glass of wine or drink worth it?

 

[jodifla]

Because drinking increases the RISK of neurological disorders. As I said in my previous post, some babies will be born with NO neurological problems, given any kind of drinking exposure. But mothers who drink will be more LIKELY to have babies with neurological disoorders. Those who drink very little will have a slightly increased risk above those who do not drink at all. RISK is the key word.

Actually, I find it interesting that as everyone stopped drinking and smoking and drinking coffee while pregnant, cases of autism, ADHD and related issues have skyrocketed.

Ten years from now, they'll probably find some link!

 

[Galahad]

Please post a link that shows that SMALL amounts of alcohol are detrimental to the fetus.....

The problem with the "but small amounts are not harmful" argument is that if a person is asked by a mother to be for a drink, they have know way of knowing whether the mom is really just drinking a small amount or whether it is the 4th drink they've had that day. There is reams and reams of evidence about fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol spectrum syndrome as caused by larger amounts. It still may not be any body's business, but a third party cannot determine if there is a small or large amount of alcohol being consumed and I'd have liability concerns if nothing else.

 

[Aidensmom]

This fellow Diser already did post a link. Check it out for yourself. And to clarify, I wouldn't jump on my soapbox in restaurant. But I certainly wouldn't serve her alcohol. That is my business, not hers.

Wouldn't making your own decision to not serve alchohol to a pregnant woman, which is perfectly legal, and most likely not against policy at your average restaurant, be tantamount to jumping on your soapbox?

I posted earlier that my doctor recommended I have a glass of wine at my wedding to help me relax, because my stress of worrying about being off of bedrest would be a bigger threat to my child as this could cause more premature labor. If the server would not have served me MY ONE GLASS OF WINE IN MY ENTIRE PREGNANCY, the stress of that could have had detrimental effects.

The wellbeing of the unborn child is NOT the responsibility of the server, it is the responsibility of the mother and her doctor.

 

[Donna]

Please post a link that shows that SMALL amounts of alcohol are detrimental to the fetus.....

<"There is no safe level of drinking during pregnancy and there is no safe time to drink during pregnancy,">

And what is it about that quote that you don't understand? What i would like YOU to post, tiggersmom2, is a link showing it's NOT detrimental to the fetus.

ANY amount COULD BE detrimental. what i am saying is WHY IN THE WORLD would someone be so selfish to put themselves before the life and health of their unborn child? You can have all the opinion on this subject that you want and you are definitely entitled to your opinion, but facts cannot be disputed. Our parents and our grandparent's can claim ignorance but our generation and future generations cannot. All our generation can claim is selfishness.

As for the cocaine, since when does making something illegal mean it doesn't happen? That is what makes that a valid argument. I was comparing the two because they are both toxic to the body and pass over to the placenta. Quite valid in this case. By the way, weight of a person only has to do with how fast they become intoxicated. These substances go through your blood and if pregnant, get passed on to the fetus, which weighs ounces/pounds, depending on it's gestational age
Thank you FSUGrad97 ,Galahad, and Kaabost.

 

[jodifla]

But why take the risk? Is the glass of wine or drink worth it?

I'd say many people think it is. People like yourself who accept no risks would not think so.

 

[FSUGrad97]

Actually, I find it interesting that as everyone stopped drinking and smoking and drinking coffee while pregnant, cases of autism, ADHD and related issues have skyrocketed.

Ten years from now, they'll probably find some link!

Actually, there WERE kids who were hyperactive, etc., but it just wasn't as publicized.

Seriously, if you think drinking and smoking during pregnancy are going to help reduce these issues, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[jodifla]

<"There is no safe level of drinking during pregnancy and there is no safe time to drink during pregnancy,">

And what is it about that quote that you don't understand? What i would like YOU to post, tiggersmom2, is a link showing it's NOT detrimental to the fetus.

ANY amount COULD BE detrimental. what i am saying is WHY IN THE WORLD would someone be so selfish to put themselves before the life and health of their unborn child? You can have all the opinion on this subject that you want and you are definitely entitled to your opinion, but facts cannot be disputed. Our parents and our grandparent's can claim ignorance but our generation and future generations cannot. All our generation can claim is selfishness.

As for the cocaine, since when does making something illegal mean it doesn't happen? That is what makes that a valid argument. I was comparing the two because they are both toxic to the body and pass over to the placenta. Quite valid in this case. By the way, weight of a person only has to do with how fast they become intoxicated. These substances go through your blood and if pregnant, get passed on to the fetus, which weighs ounces/pounds, depending on it's gestational age
Thank you FSUGrad97 ,Galahad, and Kaabost.

You are quoting someone, but it simply doesn't make it fact. It makes it that person's opinion, which many doctors obviously disagree with.

But you like it so much on your soapbox, one imagines you'll continue. I particularly like how you call all women who have a glass of wine during pregnancy "selfish."

 

[FSUGrad97]

I'd say many people think it is. People like yourself who accept no risks would not think so.

Yup, you are right for once. I would NEVER endanger an unborn child just so I could have a glass of wine.

 

[Aidensmom]

Just curious, those who think one glass of wine in a pregnancy is a big risk, did you have any caffiene? Sugar? Artificial sweetener? Artificial colors and flavors? Herbal teas? Non-organic meat and vegetables? Smoked? Clean a litter box?

It is not any different.

 

[kaabost]

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Thank you FSUGrad97 ,Galahad, and Kaabost.

Thank you Donna!

 

[Briarmom]

Just curious, those who think one glass of wine in a pregnancy is a big risk, did you have any caffiene? Sugar? Artificial sweetener? Artificial colors and flavors? Herbal teas? Non-organic meat and vegetables? Smoked? Clean a litter box?

It is not any different.

Not to mention you are not supposed to eat soft cheese. I didn't know that until the end of my 2nd pregnancy, and one of my 'cravings' had been for Brie.
Oh, and some fish. They don't want you to eat certain fish while you are pregnant.

 

[FSUGrad97]

DonnaThank you FSUGrad97 ,Galahad, and Kaabost.

Glad to help!

I think it's pretty sad when people would rather take a risk with their child's health, just to have a drink.

 

[WonderfulDreamer2]

The problem with the "but small amounts are not harmful" argument is that if a person is asked by a mother to be for a drink, they have know way of knowing whether the mom is really just drinking a small amount or whether it is the 4th drink they've had that day. There is reams and reams of evidence about fetal alcohol syndrome and fetal alcohol spectrum syndrome as caused by larger amounts. It still may not be any body's business, but a third party cannot determine if there is a small or large amount of alcohol being consumed and I'd have liability concerns if nothing else.

Just curious, but should the server be allowed to refuse to serve caffine, fried foods, refuse to give sweet-n-low, anything with preservatives in it? It is not the servers job to police what the woman does as long as it is not illegal. Regardless of whether it is something you would do or not, it is not up to you or anyone else to make that decision for someone else.

 

[jodifla]

Just curious, those who think one glass of wine in a pregnancy is a big risk, did you have any caffiene? Sugar? Artificial sweetener? Artificial colors and flavors? Herbal teas? Non-organic meat and vegetables? Smoked? Clean a litter box?

It is not any different.

Exactly.

And I do love the posters here who think that reading some Internet articles make them more qualified than OB/GYNs to make the call on having a glass of wine or not.

 

[kaabost]

Just curious, those who think one glass of wine in a pregnancy is a big risk........

Again, as a reminder, a single glass of wine during pregnancy is a small risk. 2,000 glasses of wine during pregnancy is a huge risk. Those other things may or may not have varying degrees of associated risk. I don't know as much about those things so I will not press the argument. Except for the cat box thing---I do know that can be pretty darn dangerous. Parasites found in the feces of some cats can quickly cause major problems to the developing baby.

 

[Donna]

You are quoting someone, but it simply doesn't make it fact. It makes it that person's opinion, which many doctors obviously disagree with.

But you like it so much on your soapbox, one imagines you'll continue. I particularly like how you call all women who have a glass of wine during pregnancy "selfish."

Yes, anyone that drinks during pregnancy is thinking of themselves, which in my book, is selfish. Are they thinking "gee, this drink will do wonders for the baby"? No, i don't think so. This sounds to me like an "if the shoe fits....." If you look back in one of my earlier posts, the person i was quoting was Jennifer Willford, assistant professor of psychiatry at the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, and the study's first author, obviously someone a little more knowledgeable on this subject than any of us.
If you call being passionate about a subject "being on a soapbox", yes, i'll stand on that soapbox, especially if it concerns something/someone that can't speak for themselves, i.e., animals, children. Actually, i've only stated the facts on the subject and stated I could/would not have served that person. Others could do that, i could not. And i would not work for an establishment that forced me to.
So has anyone found the link showing drinking during pregnancy, early or late, small amounts or large, is good for the fetus?