Double FP for resort guests with seperate tickets.

[doconeill]

I know someone already said yes, all three would work, but I'm thinking that if you link your military tickets to the magic band, then the hard copy of the military tickets would now be void? Otherwise, you'd have two sets of admission, which I have a hard time believing Disney would allow as a loophole. Or do all the Magic bands come with hard copy admission tickets? I thought they just issued room keys? And if you do end up with bands and tix that allow people in, what stops people from reselling the hard tix?

Well, hard to say exactly with the military tickets, but they have not been voiding APs.

It basically doesn't matter which media you use to enter with - the band or the ticket - they tie to the same entitlements so it is a day off the entitlements. No loophole.

 

[doconeill]

It might be easier to think of tickets like this...

It USED to be true that the ticket was a full "bearer instrument" which contained the entitlements on it. A stamp indicated an entitlement was used up.

Now it's a LOT different.

Your ticket entitlements are NOT on the ticket itself.

Think of them like a rental car. You rent a car for a week. After a week it won't work for you any more.

But they don't hand you a car at the counter. They hand you a key. That key matches the particular car you rented. You go find that car, and you can use that car for a week. At the end of the week, that key no longer opens that car. (Hopefully you've returned it... )

Want a second key for the spouse, or just as a spare? Sure...but it's not quite a duplicate...it's shaped a little different, but it still works on the car. But it doesn't give you seven more days in the car, even if you don't use it at all. The car knows both keys are for the same rental agreement.

MagicBands are kind of like that second key.

Each ticket has a unique code, which in the Disney Database of Everything links to a particular set of entitlements (7-days, park hopper, etc.). It is a key, and the entitlements are the car.

In the past, they didn't allow more than one key to be active at any time (add it to your KTTW card, and the original is "voided"). They just switched the keys on the entitlement. But now, with the MagicBands, and to allow KTTW cards to be used as a backup, or APs to still work for what they need to, etc. multiple "keys" can be active.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[Mom2Stitch]

Ok, Doc, I *think* I understand your analogy, but just in case I don't...

I have a MB, I have a package that has 8 day tickets, and I have 2 KTTW cards from last year's Sept/Oct trip-all tickets are used up on those. How many "sets" of FPs do I have?

I don't see us actually using much past the 3 FP+ selections we have , but I'm curious.

 

[doconeill]

Ok, Doc, I *think* I understand your analogy, but just in case I don't...

I have a MB, I have a package that has 8 day tickets, and I have 2 KTTW cards from last year's Sept/Oct trip-all tickets are used up on those. How many "sets" of FPs do I have?

I don't see us actually using much past the 3 FP+ selections we have , but I'm curious.

The extra KTTW cards have nothing to do with the analogy. This was about having multiple media being able to let you in to the park.

The following assumes nothing changes from how they have handled things so far.

You have your bands. They will not get regular Fastpass, but can use your FP+, open the room door, charge to room, and let you in to the park.

You will get a KTTW card. That can do everything the band can do (right now - future functions for the bands yet to be seen), and can be used interchangeably for that. In addition, it can be used to get regular Fastpasses in the normal fashion.

Your old KTTW cards MAY be able to get Fastpasses as well. I'm not sure what the criteria seems to be that allows them to work. Not all work. It may be that they are RFID, or they were for certain resorts, after a certain date, or something. If they do, they get Fastpasses independently from your current KTTW card and each other.

The old Fastpass system doesn't work like the "multiple key" system. It only knew if a "specific" key was used to get into the park. It hasn't yet been programmed to understand the multiple key system, and probably won't. When you used it, it would do two things - ask the admissions computer if it was used to enter the park, and then look at the Fastpass computer to see if you are eligible to get a Fastpass at that time (based on when you last got one).

In order to allow the KTTW cards to still work if a guest used a MagicBand to enter the park, they took a shortcut - just allow KTTW cards, whether they were used or not. For guests currently staying at WDW resorts, it wouldn't matter - most would have used the KTTW card anyways to get in. But AP holders wouldn't, and they'd normally use their APs to get Fastpasses. But if they had a KTTW card as well, they could get more.

And, as it turns out, KTTW cards from past trips - as it seems it doesn't have any way to know if the card is current.

All solvable with programming and access to the appropriate DB records - if they wanted to.

 

[Mitch_in_GA]

Back in the spring we booked a split stay for last week. Yep -- as it just so happened it was for POP and AKL, two of the resorts participating in the August MB testing. The resort stays were purchased via Travelocity. The tickets were purchased through UT. Long story short, by the time we'd check into AKL we were holding two sets of MBs, our UT tickets, KTTW cards for POP (from our stay there earlier in the week) and KTTW cards for AKL.

Only on one of our last four days (at HS) did we use the UT tickets and KTTW cards to double dip for FP. I gotta say, when using the three types of tickets to retrieve FPs it was a challenge trying to remember which cards were associated with which return times. But it also made for one helluva a morning! I'm proud/ashamed to say that by 11:30 a.m. me and one of my daughters had ridden TSMM four times, RRC 2 times, and TT 2 times. I'm not sure exactly what we pulled when, but let's just say I'm wayyyy too familiar with Sunset Blvd.

I'm not proud of my actions, and realize that such DD'ping is frowned upon for obvious reasons. For what it's worth, I did give away early afternoon FPs for all three attractions.

 

[Mom2Stitch]

That makes perfect sense to me. I'm sure once things get rolled out things that are now not connected will get connected.

Thank you so much

 

[Junebugwv]

I just read this thread last night and decided to test it this morning at MK since it was not busy. I was able to get fast passes with:

1. My Military Salute ticket which was my admission for the day.

2. My current OKW KTTK card room card, which is room-only, no tickets linked to it.

3. My OKW KTTK card from last week (it was a 1 night reservation, room-only, no tickets linked to it).

I used 2 cards at Buzz Lightyear and 1 at Under the Sea about 10 minutes later.

 

[ejcraft]

I know someone already said yes, all three would work, but I'm thinking that if you link your military tickets to the magic band, then the hard copy of the military tickets would now be void? Otherwise, you'd have two sets of admission, which I have a hard time believing Disney would allow as a loophole. Or do all the Magic bands come with hard copy admission tickets? I thought they just issued room keys? And if you do end up with bands and tix that allow people in, what stops people from reselling the hard tix?

this is true at least in our case once the military ticket was attached to the magicband the hard ticket was no longer useable

 

[BridgetBordeaux]

Just got back. I agree with Mitch in GA, it was a challenge to keep track of, and use the fastpasses we collected. We triple dipped. Wow.....what a weekend! We really enjoyed the extra rides we were able to experience.

 

[blondemom]

I am recently back from WDW as well. I was at Dolphin first night, VWL for 4 nights, and AKL for 6 nights - and I had separate park tickets. Toward the end of my vacation, all 4 cards were working for fast passes. I did not quadruple dip, though. I used one card at a time. As it was, most fast passes (for headliners) were gone really early in the day.

I, personally, watched people go nuts sticking any random card in the fast pass machines trying to get tickets. It was crazy.

 

[bjakmom]

I am recently back from WDW as well. I was at Dolphin first night, VWL for 4 nights, and AKL for 6 nights - and I had separate park tickets. Toward the end of my vacation, all 4 cards were working for fast passes. I did not quadruple dip, though. I used one card at a time. As it was, most fast passes (for headliners) were gone really early in the day.

I, personally, watched people go nuts sticking any random card in the fast pass machines trying to get tickets. It was crazy.

We are spending one night at Dolphin before moving over to AKV - did your room key for the Dolphin work in the FP machines? We wanted to go to HS for the day before we check in at AKV.

 

[blondemom]

Yes, the Dolphin key card worked in the fast pass machine!

 

[doconeill]

Yes, the Dolphin key card worked in the fast pass machine!

I haven't stayed at either one (yet...), but I thought their cards weren't linked in to Disney - do they use compatible KTTW cards?

 

[bjakmom]

Yes, the Dolphin key card worked in the fast pass machine!

Thanks!

 

[grover]

Am i understanding this correctly:
If you have magic bands they give you back up cards and people use those in the fast pass machines to get extra passes over and above their FP+ allotment?

Don't they usually have cast members by those machines? They let you take extra passes even if they see you are wearing the magic band?

 

[doconeill]

Am i understanding this correctly:
If you have magic bands they give you back up cards and people use those in the fast pass machines to get extra passes over and above their FP+ allotment?

Don't they usually have cast members by those machines? They let you take extra passes even if they see you are wearing the magic band?

Ummm...yes. Because it is allowed.

 

[delmar411]

Am i understanding this correctly:
If you have magic bands they give you back up cards and people use those in the fast pass machines to get extra passes over and above their FP+ allotment?

Don't they usually have cast members by those machines? They let you take extra passes even if they see you are wearing the magic band?

Testers are entitled to use both systems. Once the system is live, this will not be an option.

 

[grover]

thanks for clarifying!

 

[nkereina]

Anyone know if people are still able to use more than one card at regular FP machines? I recently read on Josh's site that you could, for example, use a KTTW card from 2008 and your current KTTW card and both would spit out regular FPs. If this is still doable, is it on all FP machines or only certain ones? Thanks!

 

[RedHeadedFairy]

Anyone know if people are still able to use more than one card at regular FP machines? I recently read on Josh's site that you could, for example, use a KTTW card from 2008 and your current KTTW card and both would spit out regular FPs. If this is still doable, is it on all FP machines or only certain ones? Thanks!

It's doable at all FP machine, but only for old KTTW cards that were issued for room-only reservations. If they had tickets of any kind attached the FP machine will reject the card.