Do you think a college professor has the right to do this?

[kaytieeldr]

Ah, that's not nearly so bad as I was imagining.

Still, I'd think that IF a student in that class had come privately to the professor afterward and said, "I understand that changing the class is in the best interest of the majority, but I have ____ conflict", the professor would have to allow the student to miss the extended time without penalty.

Absolutely. I had several courses with the same instructor, and one was only three (lonnnnnnnng) sessions. One student told her the first day that she wouldn't be there for the second class - and the instructor sent her out to register for the next session.

It would have been pointless for her to miss a third of the course. I was able - by 'skillful' driving - to fulfill both obligations for the three overlapping weeks. Then my work schedule went back to normal and everything was fine.

 

[nancys]

Looking for an update.

Jessica? Jessica?

 

[FredinFL]

I think if you pay for the class, you should be able to slip in quietly for crying out loud. Unless, of course, everyone is a special snowflake and can't take the sound of a door opening and closing. I'm PAYING you little mister, so just teach why don't ya?

If she was creating a big racket I could see his problem, but if explained that the time change made it impossible for her to get there earlier, I'm sure he would be obliging. No one likes to feel like someone is not taking their time seriously.

 

[Cinderella94]

If she was creating a big racket I could see his problem, but if explained that the time change made it impossible for her to get there earlier, I'm sure he would be obliging. No one likes to feel like someone is not taking their time seriously.

That's the whole problem, though. She didn't take the initiative to have a conversation with him and explain this.

 

[FredinFL]

Ah...well honey tell her to put the big girl pants on and talk to the guy. He can't read your mind.

 

[crashbb]

That's the whole problem, though. She didn't take the initiative to have a conversation with him and explain this.

Exactly. I think responses would be totally different if she had approached the Prof (AND work) and neither had been willing to help her.

 

[WDWBlue]

I think if you pay for the class, you should be able to slip in quietly for crying out loud. Unless, of course, everyone is a special snowflake and can't take the sound of a door opening and closing. I'm PAYING you little mister, so just teach why don't ya?

If she was creating a big racket I could see his problem, but if explained that the time change made it impossible for her to get there earlier, I'm sure he would be obliging. No one likes to feel like someone is not taking their time seriously.

Why do you think this is how it was being done? My guess is, human nature being what it is, Papa Deuce softened the impact to fit the needs of his story and how unreasonable he wanted everyone to see the professor's actions.

My guess is it was enough of a disturbance that the professor felt the need to address the matter. And since it's his class, they're his rules. Besides, for all of us who have second hand information that is probably not very accurate, it's hard to take Papa Deuce's side.

 

[Jessica86]

Sorry I cannot reply to everyone who highlighted my post as it would take up A LOT of space lol. However I stand by my post....we live in a world with many pompous people and that professor may be one. As I stated I believe the OP's neice was wrong but again I think it was handled poorly by the professor. I am NOT the OP's neice, just a person who has lurked for awhile that wanted to post an opinion....thanks for the warm welcome by the way It's the nature of the internet...post an opposite opinion and you are the enemy, well in my case post an opinion and you are an imposter enemy

As far as entitlement-if everyone was entitled to an education then everyone would receive one.......instead everyone pays thousands for it, while that does not entitle a person to be late, it should entitle them to respect. If everyone here wishes to call out someone to embarrass them then it speaks more about u then I can say. I really am surprised that those who quoted my post feel the professor did act in a professional way. It seems that some people just want to play devil's advocate.

In any case I am happy to be here and look forward to discussions with some of you....I know being new always includes some hazing but I hope at least some can realize I am not the OP or the NEICE.

 

[Jessica86]

Regarding the bolded: Are you serious!?!?

How would you like it if a colleague walked in 10 minutes late to every presentation you had to give at work? Would you think that's ok because, well, they had other stuff to do? Give me a break.

And do you really think the students in your class care that you're a mom of three working a full time job and getting a degree? A. You're not the first person to do this and 2. They have better things to do than marvel in admiration over your alleged specialness and Z. Most of them are probably in the same situation you're in.

Wanna bet that the majority of those students were silently cheering when the professor called the OP's niece out!? I know I would've been!

Give me a break, honey.

Honey please.....colleagues are late all the time at work and so are our bosses. That is life and the nature of work. Most of the people in my class would think that....and if u would have been silently cheering then u are the perfect example of people today. You can't focus on yourself or what u are doing and a slight disturbence would throw u off track? U need to judge others and wish bad for them. I would not want a person like u in my life or on my team at work. What are u gonna do when the power goes out at work, or the computers are down or there is something that disrupts the "norm". And for those of u who think it is laughable that college should prepare us for the real world......you reap what u sow....stop complaining about people and the quality of work today.
It is a distraction????? please....then u need to learn how to focus

All of u are favoring some professor that u don't know at what is probably an overpriced college. The type of college that makes someone take classes they don't need just to pull in money. Yet everyone backs the professor like a bunch of sheep. Then u are nasty to me? Someone who wants to be a part of your community. But no I am the ******* and the professor is still right? Thanks jeez........

 

[Jessica86]

Looking for an update.

Jessica? Jessica?

Here I am.......just a person with an opinion interested in sharing it with people here......I guess so I thought......just out of curiosity did I post something offensive, mean or sarcastic to provoke this kind of reponse? I was really trying to be diplomatic since it was my first post.....I don't get the nasty replies? I am 29 recently left my job working with the mentally ill to pursue a degree in special education....I really am a good person and I really do not think that posting a differing opinion in a polite way deserves so much nastiness and BS. Is this what this community is all about? I love Disney, luv meeting people with my hubby when I am there. I love meeting new people and after lurking wanted to get to know some of you but clearly I posted in the wrong place. Goofy I thought your welcome was sincere, I guess not. Boo to all of u negative peeps!

 

[Jessica86]

Oh my! So is "jessica" the snowflake niece or big cuddle bear?

real mature....probably just as mature as the OP's neice

I am just in awe....so many here claim immaturity on the part of the OP then respond to a newbie with just a BIT of a differing opinion with saracasim, rudness and immature "smilies"? I think I hear your pot calling the kettle. A big clique of bully's, I get it.

 

[Pastamom]

As far as entitlement-if everyone was entitled to an education then everyone would receive one.......instead everyone pays thousands for it, while that does not entitle a person to be late, it should entitle them to respect. If everyone here wishes to call out someone to embarrass them then it speaks more about u then I can say. I really am surprised that those who quoted my post feel the professor did act in a professional way. It seems that some people just want to play devil's advocate.

Exactly!!! Paying for an education does not entitle you to infringe on others...bring late can cause problems for the professor and other students..even if they enter quietly. That student misses valuable information (I make most of my announcements within the first 10 minutes) Many times students are already working in groups and they have to join late, catch-up etc.

Being consistently late with no explanation is disrespectful to the professor and other classmates. I always tell my students if you tell me what is going on I can work with you, if I don't then I can't. While the professor probably could have handled the situation differently, it is his class and his rules...just like at home. The student needs to live by them...

 

[declansdad]

Sorry I cannot reply to everyone who highlighted my post as it would take up A LOT of space lol. However I stand by my post....we live in a world with many pompous people and that professor may be one. As I stated I believe the OP's neice was wrong but again I think it was handled poorly by the professor. I am NOT the OP's neice, just a person who has lurked for awhile that wanted to post an opinion....thanks for the warm welcome by the way It's the nature of the internet...post an opposite opinion and you are the enemy, well in my case post an opinion and you are an imposter enemy

As far as entitlement-if everyone was entitled to an education then everyone would receive one.......instead everyone pays thousands for it, while that does not entitle a person to be late, it should entitle them to respect. If everyone here wishes to call out someone to embarrass them then it speaks more about u then I can say. I really am surprised that those who quoted my post feel the professor did act in a professional way. It seems that some people just want to play devil's advocate.

In any case I am happy to be here and look forward to discussions with some of you....I know being new always includes some hazing but I hope at least some can realize I am not the OP or the NEICE.

Respect is a two way street. Being consistently late with no explanation is not showing respect for the professor or the rest of the class.

 

[Mkrop]

real mature....probably just as mature as the OP's neice

I am just in awe....so many here claim immaturity on the part of the OP then respond to a newbie with just a BIT of a differing opinion with saracasim, rudness and immature "smilies"? I think I hear your pot calling the kettle. A big clique of bully's, I get it.

You claim to have lurked here, you really dont know how the CB or the whole DIS in general works yet?????

The niece is not entitled to squat, she is entitled to learn what the professor is teaching which she would if she showed up in time, but she also as part of her signing up for the class agreed to the professor's rules for the class and if that includes a start time and an end time. What if the professor started his class 10 minutes late each week, then the students would have a right to complain. This all could have been avoided if she acted like the adult she and the OP claims that she is and talked to the professor. I am pretty sure if she did and he was not accomdating then this thread would be totally different.

And really I never make it a habit to be late, I think it is incredibly rude, but if it was unavoidable you can bet I would be talking to someone after it happened once. And when I worked I dont really recall too many people walking into meetings, or training classes late. The CEO of our nationwide company would have frownded on that, I am sure of that.

 

[kellyg403]

I agree with PP'ers, niece was not correct in relaying information the professor needed to make a decision. She decided to make the decision herself and come to class late. Prof decided that was the incorrect decision and made another decision. In the end, niece was not correct at all. Without giving the professor the information needed, she stood the chances of being booted from class or the tardiness continuing endlessly without issue.

My dd is taking summer classes. One of the classes she wanted overlapped by 10 min. In order to even sign up for the class she had to seek permission from BOTH professors. The class she would be late to everyday did not give his permission, citing the student need to be on time and course itself was a math and she would need to be there for every minute to be successful.

The paying for it does not make a difference for me. Geez, the professor and the college provided the course as agreed upon from the beginning, they didn't change the time of the class or coursework. What reason would she need a refund for? They did their part, she didn't. As for the security comment and rebuttal from the student would have caused me to call security. So the Professor called her out in class, big deal. She is an adult in every way but when it comes time to being singled out? She didn't act like an adult in any way IMHO.

Kelly

 

[Missy1961]

Honey please.....colleagues are late all the time at work and so are our bosses. That is life and the nature of work. Most of the people in my class would think that....and if u would have been silently cheering then u are the perfect example of people today. You can't focus on yourself or what u are doing and a slight disturbence would throw u off track? U need to judge others and wish bad for them. I would not want a person like u in my life or on my team at work. What are u gonna do when the power goes out at work, or the computers are down or there is something that disrupts the "norm". And for those of u who think it is laughable that college should prepare us for the real world......you reap what u sow....stop complaining about people and the quality of work today.
It is a distraction????? please....then u need to learn how to focus

All of u are favoring some professor that u don't know at what is probably an overpriced college. The type of college that makes someone take classes they don't need just to pull in money. Yet everyone backs the professor like a bunch of sheep. Then u are nasty to me? Someone who wants to be a part of your community. But no I am the ******* and the professor is still right? Thanks jeez........

Around here, if people are constantly late for work, they are let go. It's happened to at least 2 people in my department of 20. So that's the real world.

 

[dreamin_disney]

if she's late because of her work and its only 10 min I think the professor might be ok with it. When i was taking college classes there were bigger distractions and nothing was ever done about it
ex 1: The student who comes in 30 min late with food, then starts eating in class

ex 2: the student who has 100's questionsand takes time away fromt he class

ex 3: the student who gets up a few times to talk on cell ohone oir the one who answers their cell phone in class

students who came late due to riding public transportation or who had to leave early to catch the last evening bus- no problem as a student i didnt mind it but felt bad for them the above examples would annoy the heck outta me and others


The way she answered the professor was rude. I think she should have just told him she's like to stay and talk to him after class.

 

[disneyfan67]

Honey please.....colleagues are late all the time at work and so are our bosses. That is life and the nature of work. Most of the people in my class would think that....and if u would have been silently cheering then u are the perfect example of people today. You can't focus on yourself or what u are doing and a slight disturbence would throw u off track? U need to judge others and wish bad for them. I would not want a person like u in my life or on my team at work. What are u gonna do when the power goes out at work, or the computers are down or there is something that disrupts the "norm". And for those of u who think it is laughable that college should prepare us for the real world......you reap what u sow....stop complaiining about people and the quality of work today. It is a distraction????? please....then u need to learn how to focus

All of u are favoring some professor that u don't know at what is probably an overpriced college. The type of college that makes someone take classes they don't need just to pull in money. Yet everyone backs the professor like a bunch of sheep. Then u are nasty to me? Someone who wants to be a part of your community. But no I am the ******* and the professor is still right? Thanks jeez........

Your post highlights the failures of the American educational system in this country. Along with the poor job some parents are doing preparing their child for the outside world. Your lack of understanding basic rules of life are stunning and only matched by the poor grammar of your post. There's just so much wrong in what you wrote above, it's stunning.

If show up late for work constantly, you're gone. Period. Employers are not going to put up with that without a very valid excuse and even then, they're not going to accept for long. Constant tardiness is a sign of entitlement and arrogance in the eyes of many employers. In today's economy and job market, workers are very expendable. If you can't bother to show up on time ready to work, how can a boss depend on you in a crisis or as you said, when something isn't in the norm? The arrogance you displayed in your post is off the chart

One of the benefits of going to college is that it's supposed to help prepare you for life, whether you understand that or not. Obvious you missed that lesson, along learning how to correctly write a sentence using proper spelling. If you are any indication of the young people coming out of school today, then it's no wonder why China is overtaking us in just about every field.


P.S. Please thank your Uncle for creating this thread, it's been a hoot.

 

[Nancyg56]

Honey please.....colleagues are late all the time at work and so are our bosses. That is life and the nature of work. Most of the people in my class would think that....and if u would have been silently cheering then u are the perfect example of people today. You can't focus on yourself or what u are doing and a slight disturbence would throw u off track? U need to judge others and wish bad for them. I would not want a person like u in my life or on my team at work. What are u gonna do when the power goes out at work, or the computers are down or there is something that disrupts the "norm". And for those of u who think it is laughable that college should prepare us for the real world......you reap what u sow....stop complaining about people and the quality of work today.
It is a distraction????? please....then u need to learn how to focus

All of u are favoring some professor that u don't know at what is probably an overpriced college. The type of college that makes someone take classes they don't need just to pull in money. Yet everyone backs the professor like a bunch of sheep. Then u are nasty to me? Someone who wants to be a part of your community. But no I am the ******* and the professor is still right? Thanks jeez........

Your attitude is the reason the company I worked for outsourced work overseas. We constantly had to address tardiness and absenteeism. Our company was a call center taking calls for outside comapnies. We had metrics to meet with high penalties if we failed to achieve them. It is not possible to bill companies for time when an agent is not at work to take calls. I do not understand the mentality some people have that it is okay to arrive late or leave early without regard to your employer or your coworkers.

You feel that this behavior is the normal behavior of a responsible person and I have a difficult time with that attitude. We constantly had to try to coach some of our employees whose attitudes were like yours yet they were the most surprised when they got layoff slips.

 

[aaarcher86]

Respect is a two way street. Being consistently late with no explanation is not showing respect for the professor or the rest of the class.

I agree. The professor waited until the 4th or so time before saying something, clearly trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. Enough is enough at some point.