Disneyland’s DAS is denying the severely disabled now.

[nalababybear]

The law and the courts will decide this. There will be litigation over this eventually. The fact that WDW does not allow in person and while DL allows in person - is highly suspect. Guests should be given the opportunity to explain in person. What I like or want is my opinion. ALL i stated is that I think people with real disabilities and medical issues and diseases should be able to apply for DAS and be deemed worthy.
I tend to think like an attorney. You cannot exclude individuals with major diseases and aliments from being able to apply.
Disney is the entity that put forward the development disabilities prong to the forefront at the exclusion and/or diminishment of other and additional REAL medical disabilities.
The truth is Disney likes to control everything and in this case, federal and state law will dictate any changes in the program.
Also, Universal does not get nearly as much publicity in the area of accomdations for disabilities because they have decided not to be experts in medical conditions and disabilities.

Where is Disney excluding from applying? None. They allow reapplying. Plenty of cases all over the place of this.

They offer what Disney believes in reasonable accommodations if Disney does not believe DAS is the reasonable accommodation. Disney Reassesses when requested. All those are repeated facts of current practice.

Disney does not decide on diagnosis. They expressively stay clear of that as a determining factor per ADA rules, one that ICEBES does not. Disney does not claim any expertise on diagnosis.

It asks for the reason or need of the request for accommodation and tries to offer the best reasonable accommodation.

 

[nalababybear]

Anyone can sue. Being successful is a different matter.

 

[joseph821]

Where is Disney excluding from applying? None. They allow reapplying. Plenty of cases all over the place of this.

They offer what Disney believes in reasonable accommodations if Disney does not believe DAS is the reasonable accommodation. Disney Reassesses when requested. All those are repeated facts of current practice.

Disney does not decide on diagnosis. They expressively stay clear of that as a determining factor per ADA rules, one that ICEBES does not. Disney does not claim any expertise on diagnosis.

It asks for the reason or need of the request for accommodation and tries to offer the best reasonable accommodation.

 

[lanejudy]

Whether Universal is less accessible or more accessible is not the point.

It sure is a big point. So many fewer disabled guests even attempt to go to Universal.

And we’re not talking physical accessibility of queues. That need is not accommodated by DAS.

Disney has decided to do both

Nope, no need for diagnosis or proof of anything at Disney. That would be an extra unnecessary step. Disney evaluates needs. That’s all.

 

[lanejudy]

ICEBES follows ADA rules.

Huh? The IBBCES doesn’t grant any accommodations, so no need to “follow” or comply with ADA. They simply check a box that s piece of paper was submitted that vaguely relates to A disability. The ADA requires that needs be accommodated without documentation. (Except for a few situations related to housing, work and parking)

 

[joseph821]

It sure is a big point. So many fewer disabled guests even attempt to go to Universal.

And we’re not talking physical accessibility of queues. That need is not accommodated by DAS.

 

[irlandaise]

Universal is much less accessible to the disabled population. It has nothing to do with how they operate their disability accommodations. It’s the type of attractions.

Do you mean their high-intensity roller coasters?

 

[joseph821]

Huh? The IBBCES doesn’t grant any accommodations, so no need to “follow” or comply with ADA. They simply check a box that s piece of paper was submitted that vaguely relates to A disability. The ADA requires that needs be accommodated without documentation. (Except for a few situations related to housing, work and parking)

 

[nalababybear]

Yes Disney evaulates needs. I stand corrected But they still evaluate.
I just hope people who need this program get the access they need to enjoy Disneyland.
I know people who need the program so I hope Disney continues to provide a need basis access.

Very different stance from where we started. Yes.

Disney evaluates the need in the request for accommodation and offers what it believes is a reasonable accommodation in line with ADA .

 

[joseph821]

Huh? The IBBCES doesn’t grant any accommodations, so no need to “follow” or comply with ADA. They simply check a box that s piece of paper was submitted that vaguely relates to A disability. The ADA requires that needs be accommodated without documentation. (Except for a few situations

 

[joseph821]

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[nalababybear]

I want to know is why Disney highlighted developmental disabilities. I do understand Disney can tailor the DAS program to what it likes.

Disney Parks have an unwavering commitment to providing a welcoming, inclusive and accessible environment for Guests. Disability Access Service (DAS) is one of our programs offered at the Disneyland Resort theme parks intended to accommodate only Guests who, due to a developmental disability like autism or similar, are unable to wait in a conventional queue for an extended period of time.

https://disneyland.disney.go.com/guest-services/disability-access-service/#faq

As you know, case law. Already successfully defended litigation regarding DAS as a reasonable accommodation for a claimant on ASD. They are probably calling that out.specifically for what was a very public case when first moved to DAS.

Yes the wait times for DLR team is atrocious and they are.probably training more.folk as we speak to alleviate that bottleneck.....hopeful before our end July call

 

[joseph821]

FYI:

 

[bookgirl]

What would those different standards look like as applied to accessing rides at

What would those different standards look like as applied to accessing rides at Disneyland?

I honestly don’t know.

Equity is something that is very individualized because the core of equity is that before anything can be equal all participants must start from the same place. So before you could give equal access you would first have to decide what an equitable starting point was.

That is why I think WDW will not be sanctioned for the new DAS, and also why everyone will not be happy with it, because they don’t have to be equitable, they only have to be equal.

One size never fits all and in truth the law does not require more than equal.

 

[nalababybear]

FYI:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/disneys-new-theme-park-disability-policy-sparks-anger-231613241.html

Yes that FB group is a fierce.advocacy group to which we subscribe. It's grown to over 7800 from 3k in three short weeks. Come join.

 

[irlandaise]

Yes that FB group is a fierce.advocacy group to which we subscribe. It's grown to over 7800 from 3k in three short weeks. Come join.

Which FB group is that? I don't see one mentioned in the article.

 

[ShaneDJ]

I know people who need the program so I hope Disney continues to provide a need basis access.

Disney will provide a reasonable accommodation according to the need.

It might not be the preferred accommodation that the guest wants.

AQR will be used instead of DAS for many former DAS holders.

 

[gardenrooms]

10 years as a Special Ed teacher. Some things never change.

ADA is written to embrace equality. What many are looking for is equity. But that is a whole different set of semantics.

Bless you, 10 years teaching Sped. Thank you.

 

[nalababybear]

Which FB group is that? I don't see one mentioned in the article.

Das defenders. Sent you dm

 

[irlandaise]

Das defenders. Sent you dm

Ah, got it, thanks. The article only referred to them as some people who had started a Change.org petition. I didn't know about the FB group.