Disney Being Sued by Visually Impaired Guests

The one about the characters is ridiculous

Pluto.jpg



Pluto sitting with a seeing eye dog and his little owner.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46522870@N03/4471840272/
 
So your unspecified disability that has affected your life more than once means you can tell blind people where to stick it, even though you admit that you can't imagine what they go through?

That's even more interesting than your first post.

But I still don't see what this has to do any potential lawsuit by handless people against monkey bar owners.

I'm done speaking with you after this. You're clearly one of those people who get offended more than they should, who only see things their way, and who cannot actually hear what the person is telling you. You missed the whole point of the post for crying out loud.

Have a nice day.
 
What is a red flag for me is that the complaints are only from 2 plaintiffs. Now, WDW gets millions and millions of visitors annually, but only 2 people complained? Does that seem odd?
 

I'm done speaking with you after this. You're clearly one of those people who get offended more than they should, who only see things their way, and who cannot actually hear what the person is telling you. You missed the whole point of the post for crying out loud.

Have a nice day.

"Clearly," eh? I'm rarely, if ever, offended. I think offense is generally a nonsensical emotion/reaction.

I'm not even offended by your post -- I'm just trying to figure out what it means.
 
I personally would like to see a law pass that makes the person who sues pay all legal costs for everyone involved if they lose the case. That would put a stop to one of the biggest problems in the US today! Case loads would drop dramatically,that is for sure!
 
The one about the characters is ridiculous

Pluto.jpg



Pluto sitting with a seeing eye dog and his little owner.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46522870@N03/4471840272/

I've also seen visually impaired guests greeted by characters. But that doesn't mean it happens in all cases where it's supposed to happen.

I'm not saying Disney is wrong. In general, they do quite a bit for disabled guests. But I'm not going to rush to defend the company based on a photo of Pluto interacting with a service dog or someone who says they saw a braille menu -- these are anecdotal incidents that don't necessarily indicate the typical experience a visually impaired guest receives.

And so far, I don't think anyone on this thread has been able to give us that perspective (and even then, it would be still be an anecdotal account and may or may not reflect the typical experience).
 
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GREAT photo SAMMIE! Too cute.

Be sure to click on the other one, it's a young boy with his guide dog and Pluto and he has his autograph book with him, so obviously he was having no problem gathering signatures.
 
Hi everyone! I am going to jump on in here with my two cents, and hopefully won't get flamed for anything...mainly the length of this post :) My husband is blind. I have Multiple Sclerosis. Different disabilities, with needs for different accommodations. Disney has NEVER been a problem for either one of us to deal with. Let me go through our experiences with his blindness.

First off, my husband never took his guide dog to Disney, or any amusement park for that matter because he feels 1. the pavement could be too hot for puppy feet (we live in Pittsburgh, not exactly a warm climate) 2. making a dog get on a ride that is clearly atypical movement for the dog is cruel, and 3. he doesn't want to have someone the dog is unfamiliar with be responsible for HIS dog while he decided to go on rides. I understand that not every blind person has the option of leaving their "eyes" behind, so I must admit, that Disney may need to have more "potty spaces" for the dogs, as we didn't see very many areas for the dogs to relieve themselves, but I also openly admit we weren't actively looking for one, although there are places for them to go. They aren't always in a convenient location. And as for the lawsuit stating that the characters discriminate because of guide dogs, I can't really comment on that because we never took the dog, and we don't typically wait in line for character photos.

I never noticed Disney having Braille maps...stationary or paper, but again, we didn't really think to look for them. We have gone to DisneyWorld so often that we don't need them anymore. We pretty much know where everything is in every park. But, I can see Disney keeping Braille maps in Guest Services, because they are much bigger because of the Braille and paper quality has to be better. So, if Disney doesn't have these then they should be required to have them, but I think keeping them at Guest Services, where you get a Guest Assistance Card would be more than acceptable.

Braille menus have ALWAYS been offered to my husband at every sit-down restaurant. He doesn't use them because he doesn't read Braille very well. (He uses mostly electronic devises for all his needs, although he can use/read Braille in emergency situations). I don't know if counter service restaurants have Braille menus or not because I can read the menus to the hubby...although I am inclined to believe that there is probably a braille menu behind the counter if someone would ask to see it. That's the way most counter service restaurants handle it.

The lawsuit also states that Disney doesn't offer park schedules in electronic format. Ummmm....Disney releases these things usually 6 months prior on the website, that point is moot.

For the parades and shows issue the lawsuit takes issue with, I know Disney used to offer headphones to describe rides and shows. I am assuming they still use these things, although my husband likes the way I describe things better to him, so he hasn't used the headphone things in YEARS...Plus he never was a parade person even when he could see.

The lawsuit states that Disney does not supply sighted companions, or offer discounted admission for sighted companions. Why should they offer lower admission for another PERSON sighted or not to get into the park? And as for supplying a sighted companion, I imagine if you make per-arrangements Disney will accommodate the request.

I think the issue here is that people have to make prior arrangements and not just assume that these things will be there waiting for them. These things will be waiting if arrangements are made. People have to take responsibility every now and then, handicapped or not. Just my two cents. :hug:
 
This is just my feeling everytime I see something like this, be it suing Disney or any other busines.

Aren't they called "disabilities" for a reason? You aren't "able" to do everything, hence the "dis" on the front (as opposed to the DIS. . .which, my wife would argue is it's own form of mental disability) I mean, I don't want to seem cold or callous, I guess I am just trying to figure out whta they expect Disney to do?

Don't get me wrong, I think being blind would pretty much stink, and I know there are great stories about blind people, or other disabled people doing great feats, but they are the exception to the rule.

I guess I'm just saying that no company can, or should be expected to be able to fully accomodate every person. And there is no reason to further bog down our court system with these trivial lawsuits.

Now I'm going to hear from everyone who has every form of disability, real or imagined telling me how horrible I am and how I just don't know what they go through. . .blah blah blah. Truth be told, you're right, I don't know, and I'm at the point where it is getting hard to care anymore. I am usually very sympathetic to other peoples situations, but I'm also a pragmatist who understands that if we keep trying to appease every nagging special interest, then eventually there isn't going to be a Walt Disney World, Wal-Mart, or airline left in the world because it's not financially feasable to take every precaution on the chance that someone might sue, and even if you do, someone will still sue because the shade of the grass hurt their sensitive eyes when it reflected the sunlight because it was too much of a contrast with the pavement.
I don't have a disability but I agree with you 100%. The definition of a disability is a physical or mental condition that limit's a person's movements, senses or activities. It's right there in Webster's. It amazes me how Disney will bend over backwards for disabled and some (definitely not all) will still think their not being treated fairly. And with this lawsuit if the group wins I will have just given up because almost(if not) all of that is provided. I agree with you it is getting hard to care anymore. And for the sentence in bold that is absolutely true. we live a me society where people constantly ask "ok what else will you do for me?" Does anyone still remember JFK's famous quote?

Well i guess if we get flamed we'll get flamed together
 
I've also seen visually impaired guests greeted by characters. But that doesn't mean it happens in all cases where it's supposed to happen.

I'm not saying Disney is wrong. In general, they do quite a bit for disabled guests. But I'm not going to rush to defend the company based on a photo of Pluto interacting with a service dog or someone who says they saw a braille menu -- these are anecdotal incidents that don't necessarily indicate the typical experience a visually impaired guest receives.

And so far, I don't think anyone on this thread has been able to give us that perspective (and even then, it would be still be an anecdotal account and may or may not reflect the typical experience).

In the over 25 years we have been going I have never seen a blind guest refused interaction with a character, not ever.

I have also seen large print menus in all the restaurants.
 
Hi everyone! I am going to jump on in here with my two cents, and hopefully won't get flamed for anything...mainly the length of this post :) My husband is blind. I have Multiple Sclerosis. Different disabilities, with needs for different accommodations. Disney has NEVER been a problem for either one of us to deal with. Let me go through our experiences with his blindness.

First off, my husband never took his guide dog to Disney, or any amusement park for that matter because he feels 1. the pavement could be too hot for puppy feet (we live in Pittsburgh, not exactly a warm climate) 2. making a dog get on a ride that is clearly atypical movement for the dog is cruel, and 3. he doesn't want to have someone the dog is unfamiliar with be responsible for HIS dog while he decided to go on rides. I understand that not every blind person has the option of leaving their "eyes" behind, so I must admit, that Disney may need to have more "potty spaces" for the dogs, as we didn't see very many areas for the dogs to relieve themselves, but I also openly admit we weren't actively looking for one, although there are places for them to go. They aren't always in a convenient location. And as for the lawsuit stating that the characters discriminate because of guide dogs, I can't really comment on that because we never took the dog, and we don't typically wait in line for character photos.

I never noticed Disney having Braille maps...stationary or paper, but again, we didn't really think to look for them. We have gone to DisneyWorld so often that we don't need them anymore. We pretty much know where everything is in every park. But, I can see Disney keeping Braille maps in Guest Services, because they are much bigger because of the Braille and paper quality has to be better. So, if Disney doesn't have these then they should be required to have them, but I think keeping them at Guest Services, where you get a Guest Assistance Card would be more than acceptable.

Braille menus have ALWAYS been offered to my husband at every sit-down restaurant. He doesn't use them because he doesn't read Braille very well. (He uses mostly electronic devises for all his needs, although he can use/read Braille in emergency situations). I don't know if counter service restaurants have Braille menus or not because I can read the menus to the hubby...although I am inclined to believe that there is probably a braille menu behind the counter if someone would ask to see it. That's the way most counter service restaurants handle it.

The lawsuit also states that Disney doesn't offer park schedules in electronic format. Ummmm....Disney releases these things usually 6 months prior on the website, that point is moot.

For the parades and shows issue the lawsuit takes issue with, I know Disney used to offer headphones to describe rides and shows. I am assuming they still use these things, although my husband likes the way I describe things better to him, so he hasn't used the headphone things in YEARS...Plus he never was a parade person even when he could see.

The lawsuit states that Disney does not supply sighted companions, or offer discounted admission for sighted companions. Why should they offer lower admission for another PERSON sighted or not to get into the park? And as for supplying a sighted companion, I imagine if you make per-arrangements Disney will accommodate the request.

I think the issue here is that people have to make prior arrangements and not just assume that these things will be there waiting for them. These things will be waiting if arrangements are made. People have to take responsibility every now and then, handicapped or not. Just my two cents. :hug:

Thank you for posting this -- some great perspective here. I'd also love to hear from people who don't know the parks as well and have had to use (or try to use) braille maps and info as well as people who bring their guide dogs.
 
They don't offer companion discount? That's kind of weird to me, because I used to work in a park in Norway that offered that. Obviously you would need proof that you need a companion, as in that you need assistance to get around and on the rides and such. I guess maybe blindness isn't considered a disability where you need a companion?
 
American Foundation for the Blind Announces 2011 Access Award Winners

CBS, Walt Disney, Accessible Twitter and Lexmark Cited for Making Products Accessible to Visually Impaired Users


The CBS Television Network, Walt Disney Parks & Resorts, Lexmark International, Inc. and Accessible Twitter are being honored for their "bold and successful strides toward creating new standards of accessibility and a better quality of life for people who are blind or visually impaired," said Carl R. Augusto, AFB president and CEO.

http://www.afb.org/Section.asp?DocumentID=5410
 
What is a red flag for me is that the complaints are only from 2 plaintiffs.

Three, actually. Cari Shields, Amber Boggs, and Teresa Stockton. See, for example, the court order posted at http://www.forizs-dogali.com/pdf/Disney%20Certification%20Order.pdf.

Now, WDW gets millions and millions of visitors annually, but only 2 people complained? Does that seem odd?

It wouldn't be odd that a lawsuit was filed by many fewer people then the number of people who complained (according to the court order, Disney received 58 complaints about similar issues in 2005-10).

And it wouldn't be odd for many people not to complain in the first place (as the court said, "Certainly not every deterred potential patron or aggrieved guest—sighted or otherwise—will lodge a complaint. It is likely that only a very small percentage of such guests actually take the time to do so").
 
I find these types of cases very interesting, as a lawyer. Mainly because, whilst the general public jump on the bandwagon of how wrong it all is, from a legal perspective, there's almost always an actionable point of negligence in these cases.

If the cases were truly spurious, they'd be thrown out, but they're not. Although I appreciate, legal interest aside, some of the cases do take the mickey ever so slightly...

I'm not a lawyer but do see your point. I think the disconnect with the general public often comes from the way the laws are written or interpreted. Plaintiffs and their lawyers are often not concerned with what should or shouldn't be, but instead with what the law will allow them to accomplish for their own ends. They look for loopholes or weak language.

For example, we now have visual proof that the charge involving service animals is not true. There maybe cases where a person with a service animal was denied, just as there are cases where people without service animals are denied. But since the law protects the disabled, they can try to claim a violation where a non-disabled person has no recourse (unless they want to claim discrimination based on another law).
 
American Foundation for the Blind Announces 2011 Access Award Winners

CBS, Walt Disney, Accessible Twitter and Lexmark Cited for Making Products Accessible to Visually Impaired Users


The CBS Television Network, Walt Disney Parks & Resorts, Lexmark International, Inc. and Accessible Twitter are being honored for their "bold and successful strides toward creating new standards of accessibility and a better quality of life for people who are blind or visually impaired," said Carl R. Augusto, AFB president and CEO.

http://www.afb.org/Section.asp?DocumentID=5410

Doesn't make any difference because it doesn't get the lawyers any money. I'm sure the visually impaired want some changes but the lawyers want a big fat paycheck. :thumbsup2
 














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