No preamble today, I have to explain to Mr. Kidds that this father of five
DOES understand and respect kids in another thread! So lets just dive in!!
Scoop!! You make me laugh!!
I mean "no" evidence that the current WDW management is adding to the guest experience is obviously incorrect. Heck, at the minimum, they were able to get EE back.
So they give back a portion of what they took away and this is evidence that they are adding to the guest experience! Now thats pretty good lawyer-ing!! And it
IS pretty funny!!!
So, I suppose "no" is out of the discussion.
Yes! I so stipulate.
Then we are stuck with "little proof". What constitutes more than "a little"? At what point do additions, returns, etc. begin to evidence that current WDW management is making the WDW guest experience better and more valuable.
This is an interesting question!! I like it a lot!! It is worthy of its own thread. It would be a very subjective thread, of course, but very, very interesting to hear everyones take on the subject.
My point is that, other than general philosophies, I've still yet to hear from many what constitutes proof that the pendulum is swinging back in favor of the guest.
Scoop. In all seriousness, what else do you need
other than philosophy.
Does it mean that a new parade automatically has no value? I mean that seems quite harsh.
No! Of course not! Ive already stipulated! But, in the grand scheme of Disney things it does have little value. Parades, to me at least, are nothing more than plusses. A big plus sometimes, as in the Electric Light Parade, but still, at the end of the day, nothing more than a plus.
In the end, I wonder what will happen if Mission:Space is indeed an wonderful attraction. Will the refrain be that that is a sign that current WDW management is giving back to the guest in large amounts or will it simply be argued that M:S is an aberration or an exception.
That depends. What is the current philosophy? Cause thats really all that matters. It could be an aberration or it could be an anomaly or it could be that Ei$ner has seen the light and swears off the Disney® philosophy in favor of giving the guest a true Walt Disney experience. What do you think the
underlying explanation could be? Or should we not think about motivations and philosophy and just blindly accept what Disney gives us?
Now I have a question for you:
In the end, I wonder what will happen if Mission:Space is indeed a glorified spinner. Will the refrain be that that is a sign that current WDW management is
NOT giving back to the guest in large amounts or will it simply be argued that M:S is an aberration or an exception?
I await your response!
Hopemax, you are GREAT!!
Seriously though, a sign that things are turning around will be when management acts like doing things like updating parades comes with the territory of running a world-class theme park. They're things that should be done without expectation of huge accolades.
How nicely put!!
Mr. Kidds. Or Hopemax (And all researchers in general) Could you please explore a subject for the group? I was wondering what the normal cost of a Holiday Inn was back in 1972. Cause according to Bstanley Disney was charging diner prices. Now a lot is still unknown. But I would like to explore this issue a bit. And since we cannot agree on the right calculator (or at least how to implement it (Ill leave it to Hopemax and Mr. Kidds to thrash out the details, though Im leaning toward Hope!!)), maybe some relative comparisons would be in order. Its just a suggestion, nothing Im married to or anything. But perhaps this would increase all of our understanding a bit.
Continuing with your parade theme, your data shows that Disney was doing just what you would expect right up through March of 2001. We have settled on 2001 and 2002 (at least) as being the doom and gloom years.
I have yet to see
ANYONE agree to this, though you keep saying it!!
Prior to that there may have been philosophical issues, but Disney was doing what Disney should do - keeping things fresh, updating, etc.
Oh my God!! You havent ever been to WDWBLUES, have you? Or Mouseplanet? Or what about reading Jim Hills wonderful stuff? No, my friend, they were most definitely
NOT keeping things fresh or updating and especially not doing any etc.!!!! Your Disney education is still not complete, grasshopper!!!!
As for comparisons, I'd compare to value season rates. As the Baron will point out, back then EVERY SEASON WAS VALUE SEASON!!!!!!
Thats absolutely ridiculous!! Hope is right, and you know it!!