Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

[rteetz]

we got back at 10:02 and there was no to-go available. I would have even taken a disney pizza delivery.

Yeah late night options have always lacked at Disney I think.

 

[J-Dog]

I am sort of shocked at the number of people that are willing to share any of their medical information with a business where HIPPA privacy protections wouldn’t apply.

I seriously doubt that WDW would ask for anything other than a canned vaccination certificate, not anything else about anyone's personal medical history.

 

[skeeter31]

This was expected even before Covid FYI

Right. Disney celebrations routinely run 18 months or even more. So the 50th could even stretch into 2023. And that would have been COVID or not.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Right. Disney celebrations routinely run 18 months or even more. So the 50th could even stretch into 2023. And that would have been COVID or not.

Yeah, originally I thought it might have started in like June 2021 and gone through September 2022, but obviously everything got pushed back

One unique thing is Oct 1, 2022 is EPCOT's 40th so maybe they just do an 18 month celebration that can vers both vs differentiating them

 

[SaintsManiac]

Yeah, originally I thought it might have started in like June 2021 and gone through September 2022, but obviously everything got pushed back

One unique thing is Oct 1, 2022 is EPCOT's 40th so maybe they just do an 18 month celebration that can vers both vs differentiating them

I hope the Epcot celebration goes through 2022!

 

[DGsAtBLT]

I am sort of shocked at the number of people that are willing to share any of their medical information with a business where HIPPA privacy protections wouldn’t apply.

Have you seen the kind of things people are willing to share on this board? I swear I knew more about some people’s children than people I actually knew in real life when I used to read trip reports. Knew when their houses would be empty while they were on vacation too.

Being willing to show Disney proof of vaccination doesn’t even ping my radar as a privacy risk.

 

[LSUmiss]

Immunity certs is not a new concept for international traveling. As far as I know it would definitely be a new thing for an American theme park destination. If Disney required all guest and cast members to be vaccinated, I would absolutely feel better about traveling.

Maybe Disney just weathers the storm and maintains capacity constraints until the cases significantly lower. Herd immunity will happen eventually, but it's going to take a long time. While we talk selfishly (admittedly) about our vacation visits, it will be really interesting and controversial if Disney requires it's CM to also get vaccinated.

FWIW according to Scott Gustin, he believes that the 50th celebration will run through AT LEAST the end of 2022 so that might lead more credence that we are in for the slow burn ahead.

FYI there is no guarantee that the current vaccines cut down on transmission. That hasn’t been tested yet. They only protect the immunized from infection. There is a possibility that ppl can still be asymptomatic & spread it. So, requiring vaccinations for guests would be worthless. And, if the vaccine protects the immunized then it shouldn’t matter whether ppl around you have been vaccinated.

 

[The Pho]

One unique thing is Oct 1, 2022 is EPCOT's 40th so maybe they just do an 18 month celebration that can vers both vs differentiating them

Wouldn’t be surprised if the 50th runs into the 40th which runs into the 100th. Three big Octobers in a row.

 

[Sarahslay]

Immunity certs is not a new concept for international traveling. As far as I know it would definitely be a new thing for an American theme park destination. If Disney required all guest and cast members to be vaccinated, I would absolutely feel better about traveling.

Maybe Disney just weathers the storm and maintains capacity constraints until the cases significantly lower. Herd immunity will happen eventually, but it's going to take a long time. While we talk selfishly (admittedly) about our vacation visits, it will be really interesting and controversial if Disney requires it's CM to also get vaccinated.

FWIW according to Scott Gustin, he believes that the 50th celebration will run through AT LEAST the end of 2022 so that might lead more credence that we are in for the slow burn ahead.

You know, I work in healthcare and am required to get a flu vaccine every year. My mom worked for a major university connected to a major teaching hospital, and while she didn’t work anywhere near the healthcare end of it (she’s an archivist) she was required to get a flu vaccine yearly as well. I see no difference in that and Disney requiring CMs to get a vaccine as a condition of employment.

 

[Sarahslay]

I am sort of shocked at the number of people that are willing to share any of their medical information with a business where HIPPA privacy protections wouldn’t apply.

This is not really HIPPA related if they just ask for proof, it’s much like a school system requiring proof of vaccines from students. You’re giving no diagnostic or personal health info, just proof that you did receive a vaccine, nothing else.

 

[HokieRaven5]

This is not real

This is not really HIPPA related if they just ask for proof, it’s much like a school system requiring proof of vaccines from students. You’re giving no diagnostic or personal health info, just proof that you did receive a vaccine, nothing else.

It could be HIPAA if they go for the information without your consent but if they're requiring you to provide that information it isn't HIPAA.

My dog requires proof of Rabies Vaccination in order to be groomed. It's a service I'd like to be provided and that's the requirement, either I provide that information or I don't get that service.

If my kids are to go to daycare I need to provide updated vaccination records.

That being said Disney isn't going to adopt this policy to reduce their security measures.

 

[mattpeto]

FYI there is no guarantee that the current vaccines cut down on transmission. That hasn’t been tested yet. They only protect the immunized from infection. There is a possibility that ppl can still be asymptomatic & spread it. So, requiring vaccinations for guests would be worthless. And, if the vaccine protects the immunized then it shouldn’t matter whether ppl around you have been vaccinated.

This for some reason is confusing my brain. Help me here.

If all people who enter a bubble have immunization, how can a virus spread to one another in the bubble? I get the random one-offs but by all means this should prevent a substantial outbreak.

 

[LSUmiss]

This for some reason is confusing my brain. Help me here.

If all people who enter a bubble have immunization, how can a virus spread to one another in the bubble? I get the random one-offs but by all means this should prevent a substantial outbreak.

What I heard a spokesman from Mederna say today on the BBC is that ppl may not be sick but can still spread it. Basically the vaccine doesn’t protect you against getting it but against getting sick. I guess b/c your immune system fights the virus so you’re asymptomatic or have very mild symptoms. I’m really not 100% sure how it works. I just know that’s what he said b/c he was specifically asked that question. He also said, in time, they may discover that it does prevent transmission, but they takes time to evaluate.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Wouldn’t be surprised if the 50th runs into the 40th which runs into the 100th. Three big Octobers in a row.

Chapeck: 3 celebrations for the price of 1!

 

[Sarahslay]

It could be HIPAA if they go for the information without your consent but if they're requiring you to provide that information it isn't HIPAA.

My dog requires proof of Rabies Vaccination in order to be groomed. It's a service I'd like to be provided and that's the requirement, either I provide that information or I don't get that service.

If my kids are to go to daycare I need to provide updated vaccination records.

That being said Disney isn't going to adopt this policy to reduce their security measures.

Thank you for replying so I could see my phone did an awesome error (did not mean to say “this is not real” , lord help me and this phone). It is exactly like showing proof of an animal being vaccinated and what not, that’s all it is. I’m up to my eyeballs in HIPPA daily as part of my job (and I tell my husband my degree should just say “HIPPA” instead of “healthcare administration” ) I do think Disney could use it to help relieve some guidelines in the parks (mostly social distancing), but I think they also know that if they require it they’ll alienate a huge portion of the population that either can’t get the vaccine for health reasons, won’t religious reasons, or are just really against a vaccine that has been tested for a relatively short amount of time and whose long term affects are unknown. That being said, I’ll probably be forced to get the vaccine for work so I don’t care if they require it or not.

 

[yulilin3]

Before taking about requiring vaccines from guests the conversation should be requiring vaccines from CM which will not happen

 

[Brianstl]

I share my kid’s immunization chart with school and Girl Scouts and whatever organization asks for it. Why care who knows about a vaccine?

Schools are covered by FERPA.

I know the local scouting groups in my area have a volunteer medical officer. Medical forms are turned into the doctor (Girl Scouts) and nurse (Boy Scouts).

Sorry, but I am a little uncomfortable handing over any of my medical records to some random person working the gate at an amusement park that has no professional or legal obligation to protect my medical information. That random person is, also, working for a company that is under no obligation to protect or no obligation to not sell my medical information.

 

[hertamaniac]

Being willing to show Disney proof of vaccination doesn’t even ping my radar as a privacy risk.

I would add showing proof to cruising, Universal and any other theme/amusement park to that list. I'd gladly show my docs to enter, but the implementation and eliminating false docs is where one of my concerns is.

The other is to limit showing the requirement for just this, and only this, vaccination. I wouldn't want to see this expand or creep in scope to other personal medical information.

 

[Sarahslay]

Schools are covered by FERPA.

I know the local scouting groups in my area have a volunteer medical officer. Medical forms are turned into the doctor (Girl Scouts) and nurse (Boy Scouts).

Sorry, but I am a little uncomfortable handing over any of my medical records to some random person working the gate at an amusement park that has no professional or legal obligation to protect my medical information. That random person is, also, working for a company that is under no obligation to protect or no obligation to not sell my medical information.

FERPA has nothing to do with a students vaccine records, it’s only their school records (grades and what have you).

 

[hereforthechurros]

Schools are covered by FERPA.

I know the local scouting groups in my area have a volunteer medical officer. Medical forms are turned into the doctor (Girl Scouts) and nurse (Boy Scouts).

Sorry, but I am a little uncomfortable handing over any of my medical records to some random person working the gate at an amusement park that has no professional or legal obligation to protect my medical information. That random person is, also, working for a company that is under no obligation to protect or no obligation to not sell my medical information.

1) they’re never going to demand vaccines. They haven’t for measles or the like. It would be a nightmare undertaking
2) Even if they did (they won’t) i can’t imagine any realistic scenario where it would be handing over your medical records to some rando at the gate. If anything it would be only proof of immunization provided before your arrival and they’d have to agree to keep it confidential.

But, all moot. They’re already operating without a vaccine and will continue to do so.