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Wednesday, the United States Senate and Congress will vote
on wether to introduce a constitutional amendment banning
same sex marriage. An ammendment to remove rights from citizens has never been added to the constitution and I hope
you are all aware that this is a huge departure from the Republican platform issue of smaller government as well as
religious legistation. This legislation has no place in our constitution and regardless of how you feel personally on this
issue, I hope you are able to step up and protect our constitution
from special interests and private religious beliefs.
Please call your congressional representative and your Senators
tomorrow. Waiting another day will be too late. The constitution is not the place for partisan politics.
 
Originally posted by shortbun
Wednesday, the United States Senate and Congress will vote
on wether to introduce a constitutional amendment banning
same sex marriage. An ammendment to remove rights from citizens has never been added to the constitution and I hope
you are all aware that this is a huge departure from the Republican platform issue of smaller government as well as
religious legistation. This legislation has no place in our constitution and regardless of how you feel personally on this
issue, I hope you are able to step up and protect our constitution
from special interests and private religious beliefs.
Please call your congressional representative and your Senators
tomorrow. Waiting another day will be too late. The constitution is not the place for partisan politics.
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I agree completely!
 

Originally posted by jimmiej
Sorry, disagree with you.


About what? The constitutional protection? The
issue of same sex marriage? The need to contact
the congress as constituents? The need for less government?
 
Just a question- is it "banning" same sex marriage, or is it clarifying that marriage is an institution between one man and one woman? I know that Oregon got enough signatures (twice as many as needed) to put on the ballot for people to vote whether they feel that marriage is between one man and one woman.

A little sidenote- Oregon has been a very democrat state for some time, meaning Oregon often goes to the democratic candidate. This is such a hot button issue here on our state, that I think enough conservative voters will come out on election day and vote for this, and I think they will also vote for Bush. Just kind of interesting that this issue may decide where our electoral votes go for the presidential election.
 
Originally posted by Alice28
Just a question- is it "banning" same sex marriage, or is it clarifying that marriage is an institution between one man and one woman? I know that Oregon got enough signatures (twice as many as needed) to put on the ballot for people to vote whether they feel that marriage is between one man and one woman.

A little sidenote- Oregon has been a very democrat state for some time, meaning Oregon often goes to the democratic candidate. This is such a hot button issue here on our state, that I think enough conservative voters will come out on election day and vote for this, and I think they will also vote for Bush. Just kind of interesting that this issue may decide where our electoral votes go for the presidential election.

1. having twice as many signatures needed to get things on the
ballot means only that the people of Oregon want to have a say
in their government. I will literally sign any petition for referendum regardless of the issue so I can have a say in the
election and I hope any thinking person does the same thing.

2. Oregon hasn't exactly been that progressive of late. Only the
big cities are strongholds for liberals, the rural areas are very conservative and the populations there are very reactionary.

3.This certainly is NOT the deciding issue for me but I know many
conservatives worried about the move to amend the constitution
while they do not support gay marriage. This is a devisive issue
from many angles.
 
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Originally posted by shortbun
3.This certainly is NOT the deciding issue for me but I know many
conservatives worried about the move to amend the constitution
while they do not support gay marriage. This is a devisive issue
from many angles.

I totally agree with you here, shortbun, because I am one of those conservatives. I can only imagine the pandora's box that would be opened up if we tamper with the Constitution over this type of issue. Very bad precedent!

And yes, it is a very devisive issue. But the devisiveness cuts both ways. Those who are ardently supporting gay marriage rights are pushing the issue hard, and a clear majority of the country isn't ready to accept it yet.
 
I absolutely agree. No matter what your position is regarding gay marriage, this issue does not belong in the constitution.

Thanks for the reminder.

Edited to add this link...

http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

Just click on your state for contact information.
 
I agree. The only problem I have is how do we get these judges to stop legislating from the bench. What they are doing is almost as bad as limiting rights via the constitution...now, if we could just get the government to follow the constitution limiting ITS rights, we'd be ok.
 
I think this is a horrible idea, and I don't think it will pass. It's just one of many issues, so I am willing to overlook it when I vote because the war on terror ranks as the most important issue of our generation.
 
Originally posted by shortbun
Wednesday, the United States Senate and Congress will vote
on wether to introduce a constitutional amendment banning
same sex marriage. An ammendment to remove rights from citizens has never been added to the constitution and I hope
you are all aware that this is a huge departure from the Republican platform issue of smaller government as well as
religious legistation. This legislation has no place in our constitution and regardless of how you feel personally on this
issue, I hope you are able to step up and protect our constitution
from special interests and private religious beliefs.
Please call your congressional representative and your Senators
tomorrow. Waiting another day will be too late. The constitution is not the place for partisan politics.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...08/co_po/gayrepublicanschallengefristovervote

Quote:
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Christopher Curtis, PlanetOut Network

SUMMARY: The leader of the nation's largest gay Republican group sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, challenging his reasons for scheduling a Federal Marriage Amendment vote.

On Wednesday the leader of the nation's largest gay Republican group sent a letter to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., asking why the U.S. Senate is considering the Federal Marriage Amendment (FMA) instead of more pressing issues.

The Senate vote on the FMA, which proposes to amend the Constitution to forbid same-sex couples from marrying, is scheduled for next week.

But as recently as Tuesday, the political newspaper Roll Call reported that Frist acknowledged it would be difficult getting the necessary 67 votes to pass the measure.

Patrick Guerriero, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans (news - web sites), addressed the issue to Frist: "As Senate Majority Leader, you know there are nowhere near the 67 votes needed for passage of the FMA. In fact, there aren't even 60 votes for cloture."

Cloture is the only procedure by which the Senate can vote to place a time limit on the consideration of a bill and thereby overcome a filibuster.

Guerriero continued: "The question then becomes, why, at a time when our nation and our party ought to be coming together, would you choose to divide us on a vote you already know will fail? There's a one-word answer to that question -- politics."

Roll Call noted that Frist faced a grilling by the press on June 25 about the timing of the FMA vote. The press asked Frist about remarks made by his Republican colleagues who want the FMA vote in order to make Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites), D-Mass., confront the marriage issue just before he accepts the Democratic nomination for president.

Frist told the paper his schedule had nothing to do with the Democratic National Convention, which takes place in Boston July 26-29.

Instead Frist claimed the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court forced him to act by allowing same-sex marriages to begin on May 17.

"Every day I put it off, people are getting married," Frist told the paper. "It's a deterioration in an institution that the American people value."

But in his letter Guerriero argued it would be the FMA that would weaken America: "For the first time ever, an amendment to our nation's precious founding document would treat one segment of the American family different from all the rest."

"The Senate should be addressing real issues," Guerriero concluded. "The Senate should be debating how to fund efforts to secure our homeland, to support our troops in Iraq (news - web sites) and to strengthen our nation's economy. Every moment spent debating this discriminatory amendment comes at the expense of these priorities."

The PlanetOut.com Network contacted Sen. Frist's office for comment but did not get a response by press time.
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Originally posted by shortbun
An amendment to remove rights from citizens has never been added to the constitution

Are you saying that this amendment does that?

What rights are being removed?

I'm torn on whether this should be in the Constitution by I firmly believe that a marriage is between one man and one woman. I do however support the move to allow same sex partners the same rights as married couples in regards to medical and legal claims but it should not be called a marriage. Civil union would be my choice.
 
Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Are you saying that this amendment does that?

What rights are being removed?

I'm torn on whether this should be in the Constitution by I firmly believe that a marriage is between one man and one woman. I do however support the move to allow same sex partners the same rights as married couples in regards to medical and legal claims but it should not be called a marriage. Civil union would be my choice.

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Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Are you saying that this amendment does that?

What rights are being removed?

I'm torn on whether this should be in the Constitution by I firmly believe that a marriage is between one man and one woman. I do however support the move to allow same sex partners the same rights as married couples in regards to medical and legal claims but it should not be called a marriage. Civil union would be my choice.

It is your right to believe whatever you want. However, there is a large population who believe differently and a constitutional amendment to aimed at reinforcing one set of values over another is wrong, wrong, wrong.
 
Originally posted by lucky_bunni
It is your right to believe whatever you want. However, there is a large population who believe differently and a constitutional amendment to aimed at reinforcing one set of values over another is wrong, wrong, wrong.

Can you answer what rights are taken away with this amendment as stated by the OP?
 
Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Can you answer what rights are taken away with this amendment as stated by the OP?

There is nothing in the Constitution in it's current state that denies gay marriage. Therefore, an Amendment would take away any future possibility that states could legalize gay marriage. At this point there is a right - the right that gays could be married, if their states allow it - and that right will be taken away.
 
I am against this amendment but lucky, I find your logic to be flawed.

All the constitution does is enforce one set of values over another. The values of a democracy over the values of systems like that in N. Korea or Cuba.

And I also don't really think you have much of an argument of saying that the constitution doesn't bar something, so it's possibly allowing that. The constitution doesn't bar much from happening, but that doesn't mean everything not made unconstitutional is illegal.

But I digress, this amendment is wrong and if somehow it passed we will look at it 100 years from now like we now look at segregation.
 
I don't understand the uproar since the amendment would require at least 67 votes to pass the Senate and the proponents of this amendment are way short of that number (for either version of the amendment). See this story on FoxNews.
 
Originally posted by peachgirl
I absolutely agree. No matter what your position is regarding gay marriage, this issue does not belong in the constitution.


I agree as well. This should be a state issue. But then it REALLY needs to be a state issue so that only states that have agreed to recognize same-sex unions from other states are required to do so. If that can't reasonably be accomplished then I understand why both sides of the arguement are making it a federal issue.
 

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