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[AirForceRocks]

Originally posted by Galahad
I agree as well. This should be a state issue. But then it REALLY needs to be a state issue so that only states that have agreed to recognize same-sex unions from other states are required to do so. If that can't reasonably be accomplished then I understand why both sides of the arguement are making it a federal issue.

ITA. At this point, I don't see the need for a Constitutional amendment. The federal DOMA law, along with state DOMA laws, currently protect states that don't want gay marriage pushed on them by other states from having to recognize them. If DOMA is overturned by the courts, then I can see where there might to need to be an amendment, but I still wouldn't favor the one that is currently being proposed. If there is a Constitutional amendment, I would prefer that it be written like DOMA is, i.e., it is left up to each state to decide for itself what it wants to do.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

I'm not sure what else, I can add here other than another good reason to vote for Kerry. Why would people who disagree with this, still be rampant Bush supporters?

 

[Broken8ball]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I absolutely agree. No matter what your position is regarding gay marriage, this issue does not belong in the constitution.

Unfortunately, the constitution is the only place left where we can protect the sanctity of Marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

The correct place for it would be from the state legislatures but all the left-wing radical judges sitting on the bench can overturn state laws at will.

California's votes overwhelmingly passed a Defense of Marriage law that stated Marriage was between a man and a woman. All it took was a liberal judge and a few idiots in San Fransisco to kill that law.

Not until we have a constituitional amendment will marriage be safe.

 

[faithinkarma]

you don't even have to call, you can state your position online at http://www.moveon.org/unitednotdivided/

whatever your position, this is a good place to stand and be counted. I've said it before, and I will say it again " I love America".

 

[Doug123]

Originally posted by shortbun
I will literally sign any petition for referendum regardless of the issue so I can have a say in the election and I hope any thinking person does the same thing.

Signing a petition for issues you disagree with simple gets that issue one step closer to becoming law (or whatever). Why would any thinking person want to do that?

On the main subject, I agree with shortbun that it does not belong in the US Constitution. As I understand it, it doesn't have enough votes to come close to passing the Senate. It was introduced simply for political posturing (which is certain done on both sides of the aisle).

 

[Chattyaholic]

I would vote for banning same sex "marriage." I feel a marriage is between one man and one woman.

 

[ThreeCircles]

Originally posted by Broken8ball
Unfortunately, the constitution is the only place left where we can protect the sanctity of Marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

Um, no. No one group or class of individuals in this country should be discriminated against. The Founders of this country felt compelled, for some odd reason, to put that in the Constitution. Call me crazy but I am of the firm belief that it should stay that way.

 

[Broken8ball]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Um, no. No one group or class of individuals in this country should be discriminated against. The Founders of this country felt compelled, for some odd reason, to put that in the Constitution. Call me crazy but I am of the firm belief that it should stay that way.

So MAMBA should be legal? How about marriage with animals? You want that legal too? What if 2 8 year olds wanted to marry? They are a group or class of people?

The protections in the constitution are for groups/classes of people who cannot change their class. Sex, Race, religious affiliation are who we are. Homosexuality is a choice, a behavior. It is not the same thing as someone's race or creed. I don't belive gays deserve any special protections under the constitution since they can chose whether to engage in those activities or not.

I personally find that "lifestyle" an abomination, a sick and disgusting abomination and resent anyone pushing it on the rest of society as a "normal choice."

 

[Eeyore1954]

Originally posted by ThreeCircles
Um, no. No one group or class of individuals in this country should be discriminated against. The Founders of this country felt compelled, for some odd reason, to put that in the Constitution. Call me crazy but I am of the firm belief that it should stay that way.

ITA! (The faint smilie is because I never thought I'd see the day I agreed with TC on something.)

I don't believe the Constitution should be used to codify and legitimize discrimination in any way, shape or form. Fortunately, the FMA in both it's forms is nothing more than an election year antic. It's embarrassing that the party I support would stoop to this, but it's hardly unexpected. Just politics as usual in the new millenium.

 

[Maleficent13]

Originally posted by Broken8ball
Not until we have a constituitional amendment will marriage be safe.

No disrespect intended, but "safe" from what?

 

[shortbun]

Originally posted by Doug123
Signing a petition for issues you disagree with simple gets that issue one step closer to becoming law (or whatever). Why would any thinking person want to do that?

Um-because we live in a democracy and the people should decide
by voting.


On the main subject, I agree with shortbun that it does not belong in the US Constitution. As I understand it, it doesn't have enough votes to come close to passing the Senate. It was introduced simply for political posturing (which is certain done on both sides of the aisle).

You don't think George Bush is dead serious about this?
I do. Yeah, he'll posture politically on it till the cows come home
but I think he seriously wants it. Will this conversation take the
focus from other faux pas made by the admin? yep, and clever
but they want it..don't be fooled again!

Sorry to have placed my comment in the middle of your quote-
I don't use this feature enough to get it right.

 

[minniepumpernickel]

Originally posted by Broken8ball
So MAMBA should be legal? How about marriage with animals? You want that legal too? What if 2 8 year olds wanted to marry? They are a group or class of people?

The protections in the constitution are for groups/classes of people who cannot change their class. Sex, Race, religious affiliation are who we are. Homosexuality is a choice, a behavior. It is not the same thing as someone's race or creed. I don't belive gays deserve any special protections under the constitution since they can chose whether to engage in those activities or not.

I personally find that "lifestyle" an abomination, a sick and disgusting abomination and resent anyone pushing it on the rest of society as a "normal choice."

8 Ball is so scary. This is usually the point where I back out of the conversation.

It's called homophobia!

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by Maleficent13
No disrespect intended, but "safe" from what?

maybe we should have an ammendment to stop people like B Spears from making a mockery of marriage? Seems to me these repeat offenders do much more damage to the institution than any gay couple in a committed relationship.

 

[wdwdvcdad]

hold on...need to get the popcorn..this should be good....

 

[faithinkarma]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
hold on...need to get the popcorn..this should be good....

It's been a while since we have had one worthy of popcorn !

 

[shortbun]

faithin-i like the spears ban! lol

I'm so glad to see so many people who normally disagree
agreeing here. happy day!

 

[peachgirl]

Originally posted by wdwdvcdad
hold on...need to get the popcorn..this should be good....

Get me some while you're at it, I don't want to miss a minute of this.

Once someone goes for the "gays are an abomination" card, it gets really good.

While there's a lot of nutcases out there, they rarely have the nerve to openly admit it like that.


Read it while you can folks, this one is headed on a fast train to the trash bin....

 

[Maleficent13]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Get me some while you're at it, I don't want to miss a minute of this.

Once someone goes for the "gays are an abomination" card, it gets really good.

While there's a lot of nutcases out there, they rarely have the nerve to openly admit it like that.


Read it while you can folks, this one is headed on a fast train to the trash bin....

I didn't see the "abomination" post until I had already posted my question. I am reverting to "lurk" mode now...pass the popcorn...

 

[EsmeraldaX]

I was always under the impression that marriage was a religious sacrement and civil unions were the legal part.

So if the persons church or whatever says it's okay, then it should be fine. Some religions don't want gay marriage, other's don't have a problem with it.

Legally it should be a civil union with all couples, gay straight, married , not married who wish to have legal rights designated to one person for life as their partner in life.

I am a straight person who does not wish to ever be married again. However, I am in a very LTR and plan to stay with my BF for the rest of our lives. We have no desire to turn this into a marriage as we are not religious and view marriage as a strictly religious thing.

We also personally do not want to be legally bound to each other, because, well you just never know where life will take you.
I think it really sucks that he would not be able to visit me in the hospital if I become ill or vice versa but I guess we will just have to live with that.

BUT - I know other non religious straight couples who wish to have civil unions so they can have the legal aspects of a marriage.

I just don't see what the big deal is. I mean, if you are gay and your are a devout member of a religion that opposes gay marriage, you are probably not going to change that religions thousands of years old beliefs.

I personally think civil unions should be available to all who want them, gay or straight and marriage , a religious sacrement should be decided by the churches which the government needs to stay out of.

I hope that makes sense. I'm tired.

 

[Galahad]

Originally posted by minniepumpernickel
I'm not sure what else, I can add here other than another good reason to vote for Kerry. Why would people who disagree with this, still be rampant Bush supporters?

Is there really a politician you agree with on everything? I'm a Bush supporter and the same-sex marriage issue just isn't that important to me either way. I have an opinion.....(it should be up to the states and I don't mind if my state endorses it), but it is not a big issue on my "reasons to vote for someone" list.