Christians suing for the right to be intolerant

[MouseWorshipin]

True.

Cardaway! How would you know such a thing?! Wait, forget it, my virgin ears don't want to hear it.

 

[WIcruizer]

but in fact for that , we do just like heterosexuals do , we kiss our lovers on the mouth ! Is that a bad message to send ?

Well, it we're talking about two women, not only is it not a bad message- it should be encouraged!

 

[MouseWorshipin]

Well, it we're talking about two women, not only is it not a bad message- it should be encouraged!

I am...This is so typical of...How can you...

I can't even begin.

 

[WIcruizer]

Take a deep breath. That was meant tongue-and-cheek, while we're on the topic of stereotypes...

 

[Saxsoon]

Furthermore, I am sure many of these so called conservative Christian students are the same ones you'll find at spring break or frat parties getting wasted and fornicating with whoever.

I am a very conservative christian, and I do not take part in such activities. And I live in a border town. It is disgusting to hear people talk about the alcohol alone and bragging about how they passed out from the heavy drinking. I know two people that take part in sexual activities, and I feel bad for them. That is a very mass generalization that is inaccurate, for the most part.

Also I would like to state the Wwrevy or whatever the topic creators name is, has the same bigotted tendency that he/she speaks out against in Christians. Everytime I see him/her post it is in opposition to Christianity in some way. This entire thread is evidence of this.

 

[cardaway]

Not to harp on the topic, but why do you assume that’s true. I am a conservative Christian, and I did not have sex outside of marriage or drink. I am not the only person like that. I think you're making a big assumption.

This is what I said was true, note the use of the word many.

Furthermore, I am sure many of these so called conservative Christian students are the same ones you'll find at spring break or frat parties getting wasted and fornicating with whoever.

I have been to my share of Christian outings (used to be one BTW) and my members of my close family still go.

I don't assume it to be true, I know it to be true. Calling me a liar?

 

[MouseWorshipin]

This is what I said was true, note the use of the word many.



I have been to my share of Christian outings (used to be one BTW) and my members of my close family still go.

I don't assume it to be true, I know it to be true. Calling me a liar?

cardaway used to be a Christian outing!

I have never been to these events where women behave like that. Well, bars, but if it were bad enough, I'd leave. I'll take your word for it.

 

[ead79]

I have been to my share of Christian outings (used to be one BTW) and my members of my close family still go.

I don't assume it to be true, I know it to be true. Calling me a liar?

Of course I'm not calling you a liar, and frankly, I think at this point you might just be trying to get a rise out of me.

I too have been to my share of Christian events, and while I certainly wouldn't say that all the students there were behaving wholesomely all the time, the majority of the kids I saw did not go wild on spring break or sleep with tons of people. I'm sorry that the events you attended weren't like that. There was an area church with a problematic youth group, so I know places like that exist. My point is just that not all conservative Christians are like that, and I would say, not even "most" are like that. Can't our experiences be different without one of us being a "liar"?

 

[cardaway]

Of course I'm not calling you a liar, and frankly, I think at this point you might just be trying to get a rise out of me.

I was just thinking the same thing of your responses towards me.

The statement was quite innocent. It said "many", not "all", and your repeated questioning of me reeks pretty badly given I never say all.

All one has to do is look at the stats everybody gives form another direction and you see it must be true. Those stats of how many Christians there are cannot be disconnected from the stats you don't want to be true. For example, the stats on the number of unwed early 20 mothers is staggering. Given the stats, the majority of them have to be people who would check off Christian on those surveys.

There was also that recent Girls Gone Wild thread. Once again those high precentages don't go away, in fact if we are talking a Southern beach, it's likely a large percentage went back to church on Sunday and kept their vacation activities secret.

And then you have the many, many, church retreats me and my cousins have been to. What do you think is the draw for MANY of those young people? There were some 100% "good" people there, but there were MANY people doing things they wouldn't have wanted to get caught doing.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I hate to say it, but it would not surprise me at all if branches of the KKK and neo-Nazis started forming on campuses. They will promote their "white superiority given by God" under the guise of "religious freedom", and cry discrimination when they get challenged.

Really , I do believe this is where we are headed. Its sad. It just shows you that being academic does not make one smarter or more tolerant.


Furthermore, I am sure many of these so called conservative Christian students are the same ones you'll find at spring break or frat parties getting wasted and fornicating with whoever.

I think your first paragraph is really overreacting.

So what % of Christians do you think are performing your last paragraph.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

And just to add here that , usually , Gay pride week ( Wow , I would love a whole month !) is not governement sanctionned. Every city has it at different week through out the year. Here in Montréal , it is at the beguining of august , But in the USA , it is usually around the end of June to commemorate the Stonewall riots. Stonewall was a bar in Greenwich villge that cattered to gay people. It was often raided by police and one day , some of the bar custumers ( mostly tranvestites and the more effeminates one) rebelled against the police and fought back. This event is considered to be the beguining of the gay rights movements.

Gay pride weeks are usually organised by community organisation. There no , (at least here in montréal) workplace gay awareness events of any kind !

Civil rights for a lifestyle choice?

Pride in something immoral?

 

[JennyMominRI]

Civil rights for a lifestyle choice?

Pride in something immoral?

Some of us don't see it as a choice..Some of us don't see it as immoral.. Some of us have religious beliefs to back us up.
All of us are created in the image of G-d. That includes homosexuals.. At this time of celebration of the escape of Jews from bondage in Egypt ,I won't sit back and let anyone marginalize his children...Hashem loves us all,gay ,straight, White ,black, Jew ,gentile alike .

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Some of us don't see it as a choice..Some of us don't see it as immoral.. Some of us have religious beliefs to back us up.
All of us are created in the image of G-d. That includes homosexuals.. At this time of celebration of the escape of Jews from bondage in Egypt ,I won't sit back and let anyone marginalize his children...Hashem loves us all,gay ,straight, White ,black, Jew ,gentile alike .

Yes, we're all His children made in His image, but we're suppossed to escape our bondage of sin with God's forgiveness, love and strength, not kowtow to it or rationalize it.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Yes, we're all His children made in His image, but we're suppossed to escape our bondage of sin with God's forgiveness, love and strength, not kowtow to it or rationalize it.

Obviously joe,we come from different beliefs..I don;t believe gay people are condemned to hell..I don't believe in hell..Gay people have failed to keep one mitzvah...That's it

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Obviously joe,we come from different beliefs..I don;t believe gay people are condemned to hell..I don't believe in hell..Gay people have failed to keep one mitzvah...That's it

I condemn no one to hell.

I've NEVER said or implied that.

 

[JennyMominRI]

I condemn no one to hell.

I've NEVER said or implied that.

I'm sorry. I didn't mean to imply that you did.. Perhaps one to many glasses of wine at the seder tonight?
Jewish law forbids sexual relations between men..It says nothing about women.. Jewish law is for Jews. It has no hold on anyone else.. It's not my place to judge.. I don't worry for the souls of homosexuals,like you may.. It leads to different focuses I think?

 

[Saxsoon]

I was just thinking the same thing of your responses towards me.

The statement was quite innocent. It said "many", not "all", and your repeated questioning of me reeks pretty badly given I never say all.

All one has to do is look at the stats everybody gives form another direction and you see it must be true. Those stats of how many Christians there are cannot be disconnected from the stats you don't want to be true. For example, the stats on the number of unwed early 20 mothers is staggering. Given the stats, the majority of them have to be people who would check off Christian on those surveys.

There was also that recent Girls Gone Wild thread. Once again those high precentages don't go away, in fact if we are talking a Southern beach, it's likely a large percentage went back to church on Sunday and kept their vacation activities secret.

And then you have the many, many, church retreats me and my cousins have been to. What do you think is the draw for MANY of those young people? There were some 100% "good" people there, but there were MANY people doing things they wouldn't have wanted to get caught doing.

Your post made me think. Now that I think about there are the teens in our group that go get hammered every friday and saturday and talk about at church! But these are also the kids whose parents forced them to go to church. These same people you talk about are the same way, and even though they don't put their soul into it, they call themselves that anyway. Think of say a human being raised by Apes ala Tarzan. It doesn't make him one. A true Christian that is god-fearing and takes his word to heart wouldn't go around doing these things because they would know fully well the cosequences of their actions. People say they are Christians because, " Hey I can go get hammered and laid tonight, but tomorrow God will forgive me. I found a loop hole! " I would hardly consider them Christian. This too would be the equivalent of creating your own religion, just to get out of the army.

 

[toto2]

Civil rights for a lifestyle choice?

Pride in something immoral?

Joe , gay pride is not for you. I dont pretend to tell you how you should live your christian life , this is totaly up to you. it is your "lifestyle choice" and you seem to be very proud of it. More power to you !

Your freedom of speech permits you to come to every thread that discuss being gay and to tell us how your "lifestyle choice" is so superiour than ours.

The only "lifestyle choice" there is in being gay is to chose to not live as a gay person .

I respect your "lifestyle choice" to marry who , and how and when to do it. I respect your "lifestyle choice" on how to live your religion and I will never , ever try to legislate how you do it. You should do the same with what you call my "Lifestyle choice" , since you think it is one. Democraty means freedom and equality for everyone: majority , minority , gender , color, religion.

You seem to know so much about gay people , how they think , how they are deep inside. Do you know deep inside of you exactly how a women feels , or how chinese or Iraky people feel ?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Joe , gay pride is not for you. I dont pretend to tell you how you should live your christian life , this is totaly up to you. it is your "lifestyle choice" and you seem to be very proud of it. More power to you !

Your freedom of speech permits you to come to every thread that discuss being gay and to tell us how your "lifestyle choice" is so superiour than ours.

The only "lifestyle choice" there is in being gay is to chose to not live as a gay person .

I respect your "lifestyle choice" to marry who , and how and when to do it. I respect your "lifestyle choice" on how to live your religion and I will never , ever try to legislate how you do it. You should do the same with what you call my "Lifestyle choice" , since you think it is one. Democraty means freedom and equality for everyone: majority , minority , gender , color, religion.

You seem to know so much about gay people , how they think , how they are deep inside. Do you know deep inside of you exactly how a women feels , or how chinese or Iraky people feel ?

We are who we are based on the decisions we make. God gave us rules and showed us how to choose wisely.

 

[cardaway]

Your post made me think. Now that I think about there are the teens in our group that go get hammered every friday and saturday and talk about at church! But these are also the kids whose parents forced them to go to church. These same people you talk about are the same way, and even though they don't put their soul into it, they call themselves that anyway. Think of say a human being raised by Apes ala Tarzan. It doesn't make him one. A true Christian that is god-fearing and takes his word to heart wouldn't go around doing these things because they would know fully well the cosequences of their actions. People say they are Christians because, " Hey I can go get hammered and laid tonight, but tomorrow God will forgive me. I found a loop hole! " I would hardly consider them Christian. This too would be the equivalent of creating your own religion, just to get out of the army.

I can't believe there is another Christian here who feels they can say who's a Christian and who is not. I know some of these people and IMO their faith is as strong as yours, but given that post, I would bet you will say otherwise.