Cheating: Running under anothers bib and effecting results??

[FireDancer]

All of the hypotheticals and what ifs would be taken out of the equation if races allowd the transfer of registration. They got their money, especially on races that closed. If a runner can't compete they should have a way of transferring the registration and updating the information with the runner who will be actually competing.

Lets say someone who is 65 registers for the race, pays, and then can't compete. As it is they can sell me their bib, I can run it, finish it, get the finisher's medal (which I earned), and collect the age group award (which I did not). If they allowed the 65 year old to transfer the registration to me I can do all of those things but the runner info would have been updated in the transfer process so I would be back running in my 30-34 age bracket.

As consumers we have a right of first sale on everything we buy under both copyright and trademark law. Extend that right to our properly purchased race registration while providing a mechanism to update the information and all of the problems in the OP are solved.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

I am not hiding and personally Robert I think it is sad that you continue to stir the pot. I guess when you seek attention it does not matter if it is positive or negative as long as you are getting it.

That said I will move on as nothing you have to say regarding rules of any kind holds weight with me.

Sorry WISH forumites for this post. But I stand on my own integrity in making it. Something I can do proudly and without reservation!!

Roger, I am well aware of who you are. Should have come up with a better user name

 

[MarathonFanatic]

I was showing this thread to a running friend of mine at work - here is their response:

If you jump on a course you are stealing because you did not meet the requirement of getting the medal. If everyone else pays for an item at a store and you just put it in your pocket you are hurting yourself but you are taking what everyone else had to pay for. Same in a race.

 

[runtime]

Hope more of you lurkers and name hiders come out and play.

This discussion seems to have died.

As for worrying about things going south in discussions, I think people are much bolder and will say anything if they can hide. Thus people who hide their names help make this discussions go south because they have no ramifications to their actions. My opinion.

Valid opinion. Can I ask if you think any of the content that I have posted has been malicious or brought the conversation south? At the risk of offending others, it reads to me as if I may be the only one here who isn't personally involved somehow (and thus have been above board the whole time).

If it will allow us to continue the debate, you can call me Jim. Again, I'm not sure how that is relevant to the content of my posts, but so be it.

Personally, I'm quieting down because I am seeing the personal side of this argument come out more and more. I was directed here and was hoping to participate in an ethical debate.

I'm not chastising, I understand that this happens in forums. It's just that that part of it doesn't really hold my interest, so I choose not to participate in it.

So, getting back on topic ...

It sounds like we agree that:
1) When bib transfers are not allowed, then it is wrong to do them.
2) That the above is a "breaking the rules".
3) That not competing on the entire course is "breaking the rules".

It seems there is still some disagreement on whether or not not completing the entire course has negative ramifications. With that in mind, I'm wondering if you would respond to my Post # 63 above.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

Apparently, you have never been affected by anything anyone has ever said or done.

It's a matter of pride and accomplishment. It's insulting for someone to step onto the course and take a FINSHER'S REWARD but not put the effort into it. The rest of the runners worked hard and fought through - even when it was painful and difficult. To see someone else take the same reward without putting in the effort, as I have said now multiple times, is insulting.

Insulting? Again you allow someone to effect you and your race. That is a personal decision.

You better get ready to be insulted a whole bunch next month at WDW. It will take you 30 days to build it up as there will be many who will not finish the full race. I think training for it should go hand in hand with your marathon training.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

All of the hypotheticals and what ifs would be taken out of the equation if races allowd the transfer of registration. They got their money, especially on races that closed. If a runner can't compete they should have a way of transferring the registration and updating the information with the runner who will be actually competing.

Lets say someone who is 65 registers for the race, pays, and then can't compete. As it is they can sell me their bib, I can run it, finish it, get the finisher's medal (which I earned), and collect the age group award (which I did not). If they allowed the 65 year old to transfer the registration to me I can do all of those things but the runner info would have been updated in the transfer process so I would be back running in my 30-34 age bracket.

As consumers we have a right of first sale on everything we buy under both copyright and trademark law. Extend that right to our properly purchased race registration while providing a mechanism to update the information and all of the problems in the OP are solved.

Agreed!!

 

[ultramickeymouse]

Should a child get an A in science, for only doing half the work, when the rest of the class had to do all of it?

That analogy doesn't really fit. Again a A on a test effects the other classmates as it effect their grades, their class standing, etc.....

The other scenario again only effects the individual.

 

[NCDisneyMom]

I was showing this thread to a running friend of mine at work - here is their response:

If you jump on a course you are stealing because you did not meet the requirement of getting the medal. If everyone else pays for an item at a store and you just put it in your pocket you are hurting yourself but you are taking what everyone else had to pay for. Same in a race.

Nice point. And, as someone pointed out a few pages ago (but I'm going to reiterate it since I liked it. )...if the medal was a "participant's medal", then they would give them out with the packets, or to those on the sweeper bus (using Disney as an example here). But when it is a "finisher's medal", one must "finish" the whole race, not just part of it.

 

[runtime]

All of the hypotheticals and what ifs would be taken out of the equation if races allowd the transfer of registration. They got their money, especially on races that closed. If a runner can't compete they should have a way of transferring the registration and updating the information with the runner who will be actually competing.

Lets say someone who is 65 registers for the race, pays, and then can't compete. As it is they can sell me their bib, I can run it, finish it, get the finisher's medal (which I earned), and collect the age group award (which I did not). If they allowed the 65 year old to transfer the registration to me I can do all of those things but the runner info would have been updated in the transfer process so I would be back running in my 30-34 age bracket.

As consumers we have a right of first sale on everything we buy under both copyright and trademark law. Extend that right to our properly purchased race registration while providing a mechanism to update the information and all of the problems in the OP are solved.

I totally agree. However, I think the debate at hand is about whether or not it is okay when no such transfer mechanism exists (and in some cases is explicitly forbidden) by the race.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

All of the hypotheticals and what ifs would be taken out of the equation if races allowd the transfer of registration. They got their money, especially on races that closed. If a runner can't compete they should have a way of transferring the registration and updating the information with the runner who will be actually competing.

Lets say someone who is 65 registers for the race, pays, and then can't compete. As it is they can sell me their bib, I can run it, finish it, get the finisher's medal (which I earned), and collect the age group award (which I did not). If they allowed the 65 year old to transfer the registration to me I can do all of those things but the runner info would have been updated in the transfer process so I would be back running in my 30-34 age bracket.

As consumers we have a right of first sale on everything we buy under both copyright and trademark law. Extend that right to our properly purchased race registration while providing a mechanism to update the information and all of the problems in the OP are solved.

As mentioned before I don't allow transfers or others to run under others names. It is a RD's choice. We live in a supply and demand country. If you don't like Disney's policy, run in a race that allows transfers. Not being harsh but if you haven't RD'd a race, you have no idea all of the work and adding transfers is just not worth the extra efforts.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

Insulting? Again you allow someone to effect you and your race. That is a personal decision.

You better get ready to be insulted a whole bunch next month at WDW. It will take you 30 days to build it up as there will be many who will not finish the full race. I think training for it should go hand in hand with your marathon training.

Which of my posts makes you think that I'm running in WDW next month?

 

[runtime]

As mentioned before I don't allow transfers or others to run under others names. It is a RD's choice. We live in a supply and demand country. If you don't like Disney's policy, run in a race that allows transfers. Not being harsh but if you haven't RD'd a race, you have no idea all of the work and adding transfers is just not worth the extra efforts.

Agreed. It is the RD's choice to make the rules, it is the individual's choice to decide whether or not they want to register for the race based on those rules. And, it is a matter of opinion whether or not RDs should allow the option.

I'm not gonna have much luck getting a response to the thing we disagree on, am I (post #63)?

If it's gonna be personal from this point forward, someone can just let me know and I'll bow out of the way. It really has been fun, though.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

As mentioned before I don't allow transfers or others to run under others names. It is a RD's choice. We live in a supply and demand country. If you don't like Disney's policy, run in a race that allows transfers. Not being harsh but if you haven't RD'd a race, you have no idea all of the work and adding transfers is just not worth the extra efforts.

I have!!! And it's not that hard. Especially for small races.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

I will be gone for a couple of hours and didn't want anyone to think they ran me off.

I don't post on companies work time taking wages for something I didn't earn while surfing the internet

 

[MarathonFanatic]

Agreed. It is the RD's choice to make the rules, it is the individual's choice to decide whether or not they want to register for the race based on those rules. And, it is a matter of opinion whether or not RDs should allow the option.

I'm not gonna have much luck getting a response to the thing we disagree on, am I (post #63)?

If it's gonna be personal from this point forward, someone can just let me know and I'll bow out of the way. It really has been fun, though.

I think it's been a blast!

Not really personal at this point - but my argument (not with you) is the effects of the jumping the course on other runners.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

I don't post on companies work time taking wages for something I didn't earn while surfing the internet

Yeah - me neither - I've been off work for a while now - just waiting for my ride.

 

[zakismom]

I must admit that I have just laughed so hard that I have nearly peed. The joke being that Robert is somehow trying to pretend to be ethical is just a bit more then I can handle without snorting and howling with laughter.

Robert you can sit here and lie trough your teeth all that you want but we all know that you tried to sell your 5k bibs for Disneyland and only because of your behavior did that deal 'go south.' We also are fully aware of your views of getting a medal no matter what way you manage cut the course to get it. The fact is that it is pathetic that you are trying to get attention what ever way that you can. You have backstepped over yourself so many times in this thread that it is humorous just waiting to see what you will say next. Yes, we all have 30 days or so to wait and see what antics you will pull to get to the finish line at WDW. I'm sure the ASI cameras will capture that moment just like the moments at DL and RFTT.

WISH is a community of people that are working to meet goals, goals they have set for themselves and as a group, you are really not setting any type of example as a RD or a runner/walker.

 

[CaliBanana]

I actually have a question for Robert.

Robert, when you pickup these finisher medals for races whose distances you have not completed. Do you tell people you ran those races? Or do you hold them up as a "I collect medals" with the same attitude that some people collect stamps or Disneyana?

 

[MarathonFanatic]

I actually have a question for Roger.

Roger. When you pickup these finisher medals for races whose distances you have not completed. Do you tell people you ran those races? Or do you hold them up as a "I collect medals" with the same attitude that some people collect stamps or Disneyana?

That would actually be a question for Robert, not Roger.

 

[Steffwalks]

Calibanana (cute name)

I think you meant the question for Robert.

Robert needed to know who you guys were so that he could pull the "I am the only RD here."card.

Welcome to Roger, Cali, Runtime and MarathonFanatic.