Cheating: Running under anothers bib and effecting results??

[cewait]

If someone legitimately finished a race and sold their medal, then that's fine. But for ANYONE to think that simply paying an entry fee justifies accepting a medal next to all the true finishers is absolutely absurd!!! No medal should be accepted at a finish line that is not 100% earned. By doing this, you are insulting all of those individuals that endured the blood, sweat and tears despite hardships and injuries to have that medal placed around their neck or in their hand.

By using your logic, I could have bagged a distance run earlier this year due to a torn hamstring, but still taken the finisher's medal. Just the thought of this is nauseating.

And yet Disney has a long history of giving medals to non-finishers. I know of times when they swept runners at mile 13 and deposited them at the finish, handing out finisher medals as they got off the bus (2006). At the half the the back of the pack was swept at mile 10 and dropped at mile 12 to 'finish' the race (2004).

I personally agree with the arguement that a medal should not be accepted if you did not do the work....only pointing out that this particular race does not always honor the real finishers. Just like an 'I DID IT' shirt shoulf become a shop towel if you did not get around the loop on race day.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

Robert -- I don't mean to sound like I am picking on you, but you are the only one taking the opposite side of the argument, so it may be coming across that way.

Any chance I could get your opinions on posts 63 and 107?

This thread has gotten so off topic. Did anyone read post #1?

I am not afraid of standing on my on with my name out there. Unlike cowardly new users

 

[cewait]

If Disney's RD followed the same logic, they would pass out medals on the sweeper bus. Accepting a medal for going the full distance when you've done only the last x miles is a slap in the face to the person who completed only the first x miles before getting swept. Both individuals registered and paid, both completed x miles, but only one gave it their best effort to go the full distance while the other gets the bling.

And they have on numerous occations

 

[MarathonFanatic]

This thread has gotten so off topic. Did anyone read post #1?

I am not afraid of standing on my on with my name out there. Unlike cowardly new users

He said you can call him Jim - and if you MUST have a name, you can call me Sam.

 

[runtime]

While I may not morally agree with that viewpoint, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. For example, to play devil's advocate, someone may view that medal as a record of their accomplishment to simply get out and attempt to complete a marathon.

If the race has declared it a "finisher's medal" and has specified that it is given to "finishers", then do you think the individual can decide that it is instead for their "attempt to complete a marathon". If so, someone else could just as easily decide it was for their attempt to think about completing a marathon, no?

 

[MarathonFanatic]

And yet Disney has a long history of giving medals to non-finishers. I know of times when they swept runners at mile 13 and deposited them at the finish, handing out finisher medals as they got off the bus (2006). At the half the the back of the pack was swept at mile 10 and dropped at mile 12 to 'finish' the race (2004).

I personally agree with the arguement that a medal should not be accepted if you did not do the work....only pointing out that this particular race does not always honor the real finishers. Just like an 'I DID IT' shirt shoulf become a shop towel if you did not get around the loop on race day.

Was not aware that they did that - though I don't agree with it. And I also agree about the "I DID IT" shirts.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

I see that nobody cares that a person that didn't run the race and gets listed in the finisher results. I see that most people don't care that they get credit for something they didn't do. I see most people don't care about effecting many others who did do the race and get dropped down in the overall, sex, and age results. I see most people don't care that runners run a race that they didn't pay for themselves to race management.

The most important thing is is someone gets a medal that didn't finish the race.

This is a synopsis of this thread

 

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This thread has gotten so off topic. Did anyone read post #1?

I am not afraid of standing on my on with my name out there. Unlike cowardly new users

If you are referring to me, I would like to know what user status has to do with the content of my argument. If you are unable to answer the questions I have put forth, then just say so. There is no need to try to undermine me. I've been nothing but polite.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

Oh - and just to reference the post about the BL guy that was bussed a few miles - I don't think that he should have accepted that medal either. That entire event with him made a lot of people look down on the sport.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

He said you can call him Jim - and if you MUST have a name, you can call me Sam.

Hi Steph!

 

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And yet Disney has a long history of giving medals to non-finishers. I know of times when they swept runners at mile 13 and deposited them at the finish, handing out finisher medals as they got off the bus (2006). At the half the the back of the pack was swept at mile 10 and dropped at mile 12 to 'finish' the race (2004).

I personally agree with the arguement that a medal should not be accepted if you did not do the work....only pointing out that this particular race does not always honor the real finishers. Just like an 'I DID IT' shirt shoulf become a shop towel if you did not get around the loop on race day.

I didn't know that about the medals to non-finishers either. That's a very big shame. Seems they are breaking their own rules a bit.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

If you drop down in status in an age group, etc that bumps you out of an award, yes, it's an issue. If you aren't able to place anyway, it doesn't matter.

If awards go 3 deep, and I'm going to come in 500th - if it's 500 or 501 doesn't matter.

Someone getting a medal for not completing the distance at all, takes away from the significance of the medal - it says that "you can get this no matter if you do the work or not."

I am PROUD of every one of my FINISHER's medals - I have EARNED the right to hang each one of them. Each one of them has a special place in my heart and in my life. Each one signifies the sacrifice, dedication, training, pain, sweat, tears and achievement that goes into COMPLETING THE DISTANCE. For someone to take one without earning it takes away from that.

When I show someone my FINISHER's medal, it is to say "I DID THE WORK!"

 

[MarathonFanatic]

Hi Steph!

Guess again...

 

[ultramickeymouse]

If you drop down in status in an age group, etc that bumps you out of an award, yes, it's an issue. If you aren't able to place anyway, it doesn't matter.

If awards go 3 deep, and I'm going to come in 500th - if it's 500 or 501 doesn't matter.

Someone getting a medal for not completing the distance at all, takes away from the significance of the medal - it says that "you can get this no matter if you do the work or not."

I am PROUD of every one of my FINISHER's medals - I have EARNED the right to hang each one of them. Each one of them has a special place in my heart and in my life. Each one signifies the sacrifice, dedication, training, pain, sweat, tears and achievement that goes into COMPLETING THE DISTANCE. For someone to take one without earning it takes away from that.

When I show someone my FINISHER's medal, it is to say "I DID THE WORK!"

Say that a person who jumped a course, never wore the medal and never claimed to have finished the race?

Having your name in the results clearly means you wanted yourself to be counted as a finisher.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

Say that a person who jumped a course, never wore the medal and never claimed to have finished the race?

Having your name in the results clearly means you wanted yourself to be counted as a finisher.

You are missing the point...

It's not about what's listed in the results. No one looks at that.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

Guess again...

At least one of you is. I know the tone from some past posts. I won't worry about which ones.

I am having fun guessing. I am sure you are sitting back smiling hiding behind your keyboard

 

[runtime]

If you are referring to me, I would like to know what user status has to do with the content of my argument. If you are unable to answer the questions I have put forth, then just say so. There is no need to try to undermine me. I've been nothing but polite.

I guess the above will be my third and last unanswered question. I enjoyed the actual debate while it lasted.

I wish you all the best of luck working out whatever hurt feelings exist.

Happy Wednesday, all.

 

[NCDisneyMom]

Say that a person who jumped a course, never wore the medal and never claimed to have finished the race?

Having your name in the results clearly means you wanted yourself to be counted as a finisher.

But from a moral and ethical standpoint (not to mention the RULES), if a person did not legitimately cross the finish line after running the entire race, they should not even accept the medal (IMO).

I know it's been said that a person has "earned' their medal by paying to be in the race. But, if one person is allowed to "jump in" just to get their medal, who is to say that someone couldn't finish the race early, go back out, jump back in again, and get another medal (for someone back home, to sell on ebay, whatever)? I realize that this is really stretching it, but where does it stop? If that were to happen, then yes, it DOES affect people in the back of the pack who may not get a medal because they have run out. Do race officials need to somehow log each runners bib number as they collect their medal?

 

[ultramickeymouse]

You are missing the point...

It's not about what's listed in the results. No one looks at that.

So results in races don't matter. Ask the race director of any race and tell them that results don't matter. Why both have chip timing It is to get accurate results for runners.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

I guess the above will be my third and last unanswered question. I enjoyed the actual debate while it lasted.

I wish you all the best of luck working out whatever hurt feelings exist.

Happy Wednesday, all.

Was your question related to the topic in post #1?

If not, you have your answer. FYI, I didn't even read your post.