Cheating: Running under anothers bib and effecting results??

[MarathonFanatic]

So results in races don't matter. Ask the race director of any race and tell them that results don't matter. Why both have chip timing It is to get accurate results for runners.

The finishing time matters to that particular runner - but no one else is going to go look it up and really care. You don't show off the results page - you show off your medal. If someone has a medal they didn't earn, they can show off the same thing without putting in the effort.

 

[NCDisneyMom]

Was your question related to the topic in post #1?

If not, you have your answer. FYI, I didn't even read your post.

Well, that was kind of rude, don't you think? He/she tried to have a conversation with you, asked you three times to answer a question he/she asked, and then you come right out and say that you didn't even read it? Nice...

 

[CaliBanana]

Was your question related to the topic in post #1?

If not, you have your answer. FYI, I didn't even read your post.

You clearly don't read race rules either so I'm not entirely surprised.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

The finishing time matters to that particular runner - but no one else is going to go look it up and really care. You don't show off the results page - you show off your medal. If someone has a medal they didn't earn, they can show off the same thing without putting in the effort.

So you say it matters if they CAN wear the medal. What if they DON'T wear it? Did you see someone wear it?

 

[gsu1988]

I have tried to stay out of this but just couldn't. I think the whole title of the thread "Cheating: running under another's bib and effecting the results??" was meant to stir up a situation where obviously bad feelings still prevail.

Is it cheating to run under another's bib? - NO - Is it the right thing to do? - No (if is not allowed by that particular RD). If I run under another person's bib it is no benefit to me so how am I cheating. My mane is not listed in the standings and I can not win any awards. Could I affect others in the standings - yes and thay is why it should not be done, but is it CHEATING?

As far as the other topic that has been raised through this discussion goes, it makes me sick to my stomach for someone to take credit for doing something that they did not do. To me it belittles the efforts of everyone who completed the entire distance step for step, pain for pain, blister for blister.

I am not taking anyone's side in this issue. This is just my opinion on the topic.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

You clearly don't read race rules either so I'm not entirely surprised.

Since you know the race rules better than I, can you please supply them in your reply so I can read them.

Thanks!

 

[runtime]

Was your question related to the topic in post #1?

If not, you have your answer. FYI, I didn't even read your post.

You seem fine "discussing" it with others on the thread. What is it about my questions you don't like?

Additionally, my questions are regarding trying to get clarifications on your statements. Since you started this thread, I would think you would welcome explaining discrepancies in your argument to better benefit the overall conversation.

It is becoming more and more obvious that this thread was not started to have an intelligent intellectual debate. That is unfortunate as it seems that there are some very informed people here that would like to do just that.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

As far as the other topic that has been raised through this discussion goes, it makes me sick to my stomach for someone to take credit for doing something that they did not do. To me it belittles the efforts of everyone who completed the entire distance step for step, pain for pain, blister for blister.

I am not taking anyone's side in this issue. This is just my opinion on the topic.

By not wearing the chip and not getting listed, obviusly a person would be intentionally not claiming to finish the race. If they didn't wear the medal and tell anyone that they finished, that would be another sign that they weren't taking credit for something they didn't do.

 

[CaliBanana]

So you say it matters if they CAN wear the medal. What if they DON'T wear it? Did you see someone wear it?

Why are you here. I mean seriously. WHY are you here?

You aren't here to push yourself. You're not hear to encourage others. WHY are you here? A piece of metal on a string, the mere possession of it, really means that much to you? Because once you remove the actual achievement in pursuit of that medal all you have is a piece of metal on a string. Big freaking deal. And yet it clearly must be a HUGE deal to you because you're willing to go against the rules, the intent and THE SPIRIT of the event for a shiny piece of metal on a string.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

That is unfortunate as it seems that there are some very informed people here that would like to do just that.

Who might that be? You

 

[SAHDad]

Disclaimer #1 - I have a medal (2 actually) from a race I did not finish. The Chicago 2007 Deathmarch (aka the 2007 marathon, the one that got cancelled mid-race) pretty much gave them out to everyone. I won't wear them, nor do I claim them - my kids play with them, and someday I plan on donating them or something. The shirt for the race has never been worn by me, and once I find it, it is getting donated. I won't wear it, since I did not earn it.

My concern with something like this (aside from the not-insignifiant issues of age group awards, insurance, etc) is that I could give my bib to someone younger and faster than me, and thus make it more likely that I could "earn" a slot into Boston. Likewise, if there is some octagenarian that really wants into Boston, I could run a marathon with their bib, and gain them entry.

FWIW - I think there needs to be a system to allow for an exchange of numbers, though perhaps with a hefty penalty, but anyone caught running under another number (or wearing two chips/D-tags) should get at least the Rosie Ruiz treatment.

 

[cewait]

-All-

We seem to ave left the course here.

Why not the the back and forth debate to PM and spare some bandwidth. The point of the orginal question is now so far into the weeds that this thread has become drivel and pointless and almost to the point of being personal (in a negative way).

 

[runtime]

Who might that be? You

Well, you mentioned you were an RD. As such, I was looking forward to your input on my questions regarding the integrity of the sport.

Instead, I am being ridiculed for trying to engage you and my argument is being undermined because you want to know my name.

Didn't you post something to me several pages back about WISH and courtesy? I, for one, am not seeing you represent that.

 

[NCDisneyMom]

Who might that be? You

And once again...a rude remark from you. Why must you be that way?

 

[gsu1988]

Still you miss the point. It is not about showing up in the results or wearing the medal. It is about crossing the finish line after earning the right to cross that line by covering the entire distance. Not merely jumping in at the end giving the appearence that the entire distance was covered. If someone wants to accompany a participant in the race or give support to a struggling friend why not step aside before the finish unless it is to give the appearence that the entire route was covered. Even wearing someone elses bib the right to cross the line was earned if the entire distance was covered.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

Well, you mentioned you were an RD. As such, I was looking forward to your input on my questions regarding the integrity of the sport.

Instead, I am being ridiculed for trying to engage you and my argument is being undermined because you want to know my name.

Didn't you post something to me several pages back about WISH and courtesy? I, for one, am not seeing you represent that.

I will discuss your post when I know who I am talking to. Until than, I don't give time of day to someone hiding behind a made up user name.

 

[runtime]

I will discuss your post when I know who I am talking to. Until than, I don't give time of day to someone hiding behind a made up user name.

It's ironic, but the attitude you have taken with me on this thread is one of the very reasons I don't give my name on boards. You (and others) seem to be taking things personally. Given that, and given that I don't know you, what you're about, or how kind or not you are to strangers, I won't be sharing my name or any more personally identifiable information than is necessary to join a discussion board.

Again, you can call me Jim. For all you know, I'm telling the truth. For all I know, your name is not Robert (more to the point, I don't care -- given the purposes here, I care about the content of your argument).

Given that, do you think we'll be getting back to the debate or not? If not and you are done debating the topic with me, please just do me the favor of letting me know, so that I can go on to other things. No big deal.

Again, I have been nothing but polite to you. I think it is reasonable to expect the same.

 

[goofyinohio]

I feel really bad for any new WISHers who are coming in here today!

If you read down through the other threads this is not what we are about!!!!

 

[ultramickeymouse]

Still you miss the point. It is not about showing up in the results or wearing the medal. It is about crossing the finish line after earning the right to cross that line by covering the entire distance. Not merely jumping in at the end giving the appearence that the entire distance was covered. If someone wants to accompany a participant in the race or give support to a struggling friend why not step aside before the finish unless it is to give the appearence that the entire route was covered. Even wearing someone elses bib the right to cross the line was earned if the entire distance was covered.

You are worried about "appearance"? What does that mean in the scope of things. Your option would not be easy to do.

A bandit runner has no rights to cross the finish line because they didn't bother to register, pay the fees, and sign the waiver. They are thus entitled to nothing(from RD'd) point of view.

Personally I don't care as I know it happens as with people cutting the course. Has always happend, always will happen. People are getting upset that they might know someone who did. Not that it happens with many others.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

It's ironic, but the attitude you have taken with me on this thread is one of the very reasons I don't give my name on boards. You (and others) seem to be taking things personally. Given that, and given that I don't know you, what you're about, or how kind or not you are to strangers, I won't be sharing my name or any more personally identifiable information than is necessary to join a discussion board.

Again, you can call me Jim. For all you know, I'm telling the truth. For all I know, your name is not Robert (more to the point, I don't care -- given the purposes here, I care about the content of your argument).

Given that, do you think we'll l we be getting back to my questions or not? If not and you are done debating the topic with me, please just do me the favor of letting me know, so that I can go on to other things. No big deal.

Again, I have been nothing but polite to you. I think it is reasonable to expect the same.

I am Robert as everyone on WISH can attest to for the 3 years I have been posting here.

You just joined today to help fuel the fire off the topic I created. I know there are Robert "haters" out there and would love a chance to come after me. Why are you so set on hiding?