Cheating: Running under anothers bib and effecting results??

[ultramickeymouse]

So, I want to make sure I understand. Let's say, for example, that you were unable to arrive in time to participate in the Disneyland 5k. You should NOT sell your bibs?

Yes, that is correct. I don't know anyone who did that, including myself.

I will be losing $285 in Jan for an unused Goofy entry that I could easily sell.

 

[zakismom]

Yes, that is correct. I don't know anyone who did that, including myself.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

I'm sorry, I didn't' read the part that you only wanted our opinion if it agreed with yours.

I do want your opinions. I just voiced my opinion that you should follow the no transfer rule if an RD sets them. I applaud races that allow it. Those RD's are very generous in allowing this.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

Transfers are set by Race Directors. Some RD's allow it, and some don't. Being a Race Director of small races, I don't allow them. They create a lot of work for very little gain for the RD. $10 transfer fee is not worth the headaches. Can you imagine how much grief it would cause for a race like Disney's?

Runners selling there bibs helps the runner who can't run but doesn't compensate the RD. This only creates a whole new set of problems.

Race Directors have every right to set their rules. If you don't like the races rules than you should not enter them. When you register, you should figure that if you can't run, you just lost your money. Don't create issues for Race Directors who put lots of time and effort into races.

If they are small races, it should be relatively easy to do bib transfers - and then it would eliminate the issues of the medical liability and awards. I have worked MANY small races (50 to 2000 runners) and transferring bibs (especially if the races are not chip timed) is a VERY simple process. Even with chip timing, the process is a matter of having a volunteer or employee of the timing system adjust entries in the computer.

Also, exactly how does it benefit the runner who can't run, especially if they donated their bib to someone else?? Not everyone requires repayment of the entry fee they paid to pass along their bib.



As a runner, I want to reiterate that having someone finish and collect a medal that wasn't officially entered is much more acceptable than an injured runner jumping in on the last portion of a course in order to collect the finisher's medal that they did not earn.

 

[RogerM213]

Although I don't have a problem with someone running under another persons bib if that person can't run, I don't think that the 'bandit' should be eligible for any prizes, however, they should be allowed to collect a medal if they completed the course. It would be better if the bib could be transferred.

Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should someone be allowed to collect a medal for a race in which they did NOT complete the ENTIRE distance of that race ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY, DURING THAT PARTICULAR RACE.

Who would stoop that low Erica?

I have to say I agree 100%

We now return you to the originally scheduled show already in progress!!!!

 

[ultramickeymouse]

As a runner, I want to reiterate that having someone finish and collect a medal that wasn't officially entered is much more acceptable than an injured runner jumping in on the last portion of a course in order to collect the finisher's medal that they did not earn.

As an RD, a runner who runs a race as a bandit(not officially entered and signed a waiver) with a chip that effects the results of the race is NOT accectible at all.

A person who is a registered runner running under their own bib who does not wear a chip and thus not effect the results joins the race course late and gets a medal(that they paid for) is acceptable. It doesn't hurt anyone other than themselves. As an RD you look at the event as a whole.

 

[zakismom]

As an RD, a runner who runs a race as a bandit(not officially entered and signed a waiver) with a chip that effects the results of the race is NOT accectible at all.

A person who is a registered runner running under their own bib who does not wear a chip and thus not effect the results joins the race course late and gets a medal(that they paid for) is acceptable. It doesn't hurt anyone other than themselves. As an RD you look at the event as a whole.

So as an RD you are saying that is acceptable to CHEAT the course to get a medal because you feel that you have paid a fee for the MEDAL, not for the experience of the race itself?

 

[MarathonFanatic]

As an RD, a runner who runs a race as a bandit(not officially entered and signed a waiver) with a chip that effects the results of the race is NOT accectible at all.

A person who is a registered runner running under their own bib who does not wear a chip and thus not effect the results joins the race course late and gets a medal(that they paid for) is acceptable. It doesn't hurt anyone other than themselves. As an RD you look at the event as a whole.

I think most other runners would GREATLY disagree with this last statement.

A Finisher's Medal is for those that FINISH the race - the WHOLE race. Otherwise it would be given at packet pick-up and called an Entrant's Medal. Those that ENTER, get a shirt. Those that FINISH, get a medal.

 

[RogerM213]

Some race directors will do anything for attention and are better off ignored and muted.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

As an RD, a runner who runs a race as a bandit(not officially entered and signed a waiver) with a chip that effects the results of the race is NOT accectible at all.

A person who is a registered runner running under their own bib who does not wear a chip and thus not effect the results joins the race course late and gets a medal(that they paid for) is acceptable. It doesn't hurt anyone other than themselves. As an RD you look at the event as a whole.

Can I get a list of your races? I want to pay the entry fee and jump in on the last mile so that I can get the extra bling. All other races discourage this! I'm happy to know it's acceptable in your events.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

So as an RD you are saying that is acceptable to CHEAT the course to get a medal because you feel that you have paid a fee for the MEDAL, not for the experience of the race itself?

If it doesn't effect the Overall Results or Age Divisions results and are a legitamatly registered runner, than yes. I would have already bought the medal with their race fees. If someone get the medal so be it. It doesn't effect the race. The runner isn't in the results and thus NOT a finisher(not in results). What ever they do with the medal, is there own issue and they have to deal with that.

A question: I collect all Disney medals from all races. I buy them on EBay and other places. Does this make me bad? I have medals from races I never completed.

 

[MarathonFanatic]

If it doesn't effect the Overall Results or Age Divisions results and are a legitamatly registered runner, than yes. I would have already bought the medal with their race fees. If someone get the medal so be it. It doesn't effect the race. The runner isn't in the results and thus NOT a finisher(not in results). What ever they do with the medal, is there own issue and they have to deal with that.

A question: I collect all Disney medals from all races. I buy them on EBay and other places. Does this make me bad? I have medals from races I never completed.

If someone legitimately finished a race and sold their medal, then that's fine. But for ANYONE to think that simply paying an entry fee justifies accepting a medal next to all the true finishers is absolutely absurd!!! No medal should be accepted at a finish line that is not 100% earned. By doing this, you are insulting all of those individuals that endured the blood, sweat and tears despite hardships and injuries to have that medal placed around their neck or in their hand.

By using your logic, I could have bagged a distance run earlier this year due to a torn hamstring, but still taken the finisher's medal. Just the thought of this is nauseating.

 

[zakismom]

If someone legitimately finished a race and sold their medal, then that's fine. But for ANYONE to think that simply paying an entry fee justifies accepting a medal next to all the true finishers is absolutely absurd!!! No medal should be accepted at a finish line that is not 100% earned. By doing this, you are insulting all of those individuals that endured the blood, sweat and tears despite hardships and injuries to have that medal placed around their neck or in their hand.

I am going to end my part in this discussion by saying that I agree with you 100%. I have not headed to a race thinking, "I'll just do some of it." I am currently fighting an illness that is aggravated by the rigors of running, especially long distance. I will line up at the start(s) in January and see where my journey goes. If that journey ends early I will not be taking a shortcut to the finish just to collect a piece of hardware, because at that point that's all that it would be. Each and every time I participate in a race, I am proud, not only of myself, but of every other person that crosses that start line, knowing we have done our best to get there, I am even prouder when I complete the distance and cross the finish line, knowing the hard work it took to get there was worth it. That medal is not a validation of showing up that day and participating in 'some of it,' it is validation for the work that went into the race BEFORE that day and DURING that day.

 

[Snarky2]

As an RD, a runner who runs a race as a bandit(not officially entered and signed a waiver) with a chip that effects the results of the race is NOT accectible at all.

A person who is a registered runner running under their own bib who does not wear a chip and thus not effect the results joins the race course late and gets a medal(that they paid for) is acceptable. It doesn't hurt anyone other than themselves. As an RD you look at the event as a whole.

You are such a hypocrit...go back under the rock!!!

 

[ksoehrlein]

If Disney's RD followed the same logic, they would pass out medals on the sweeper bus. Accepting a medal for going the full distance when you've done only the last x miles is a slap in the face to the person who completed only the first x miles before getting swept. Both individuals registered and paid, both completed x miles, but only one gave it their best effort to go the full distance while the other gets the bling.

 

[wtpclc]

That's funny. I have received age group medals and not felt like I deserved tehm because I gave up at some point and did not put my all into it. I can't comprehend wanting a medal for a race I didn't finish. To each his own...

Personally, though, I would rather see a medal go to someone who is running unders omeone else's bib that finished than to someone who did not complete the whole event. Just takes the meaning out of it to me.

 

[ultramickeymouse]

You are such a hypocrit...go back under the rock!!!

With 2 posts it looks like you crawled out from a rock(and thus should go back under it)

 

[ultramickeymouse]

If someone legitimately finished a race and sold their medal, then that's fine.

What about the buyer of these medals? If they NEVER did the race how would you feel about them? Ok for the to put in a case for collection? Ok to wear around the office, work, or parks?

 

[Snarky2]

With 2 posts it looks like you crawled out from a rock(and thus should go back under it)

Thanks Robert....I will and with a clean conscious knowing I completed every mile of every race I have ever run....I am an honest individual....you have a great day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MarathonFanatic]

What about the buyer of these medals? If they NEVER did the race how would you feel about them? Ok for the to put in a case for collection? Ok to wear around the office, work, or parks?

I already answered this. If bought from eBay as a collector, that's fine... as something to add to a collection.

But once again, to cross a finish line of a race YOU DID NOT START and accept a medal next to someone who has put in the hard work and dedication is 100% insulting.

Buying a medal off of eBay is NOT the same as accepting one as if you both started and finished the race.