CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[mefordis]

This is the company, I think, that sold asbestos as baby powder. I wouldn’t be surprised.

But they learned their lesson after having to pay out $4.7 billion. They'll make a totally safe vaccine.

 

[Planogirl]

I won't get the vaccine right away. Some testing first would be nice. I'll let some of you here try it first.

As for shingles, younger people can certainly get this and I believe that I read that it has increased among those age groups. I had chicken pox in my early 30's and it was a doozy. I would have jumped at a vaccine in retrospect.

 

[RamblingMad]

Who is ready for Sputnik V? This video definitely makes me want to wait for a year of phase III testing.

 

[Pyotr]

Who is ready for Sputnik V? This video definitely makes me want to wait for a year of phase III testing.

I put YouTube in the same category as Facebook and Twitter to get information.

I would take the Russian vaccine tomorrow if offered.

 

[_19disnA]

Who is ready for Sputnik V? This video definitely makes me want to wait for a year of phase III testing.

No rush for me either. He provides a very clear explanation about how vaccine research should work. Jumping over or short-cutting phase III is a dreadful idea.

 

[Pyotr]

Here is a link to the Russian trial if anyone is interested.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext

 

[RamblingMad]

Here is a link to the Russian trial if anyone is interested.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext

High level overview of the results.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-russia-vaccine-idUSKBN25V1I2

 

[CassandraJade]

I see your confusion. I'm not saying anyone is saying it's safe now. But when it IS allowed to return to flying passengers, I bet there are many who say they'd be first in line for a covid vaccine say "let's wait a couple flights and make sure everything is worked out."

You're absolutely right. I'll get the covid vaccine as soon as I'm eligible, and I wouldn't be on one of the first MAX flights. Why? Because NOT flying on the MAX won't put me, my family, or anyone I come into contact with in danger. Not getting the covid vaccine could. There's exactly zero health and safety risk to not jumping on the MAX right away, and something of a health and safety risk to flying it. There's a significant health and safety risk from covid, and a lesser health and safety risk from taking the vaccine. So I choose to weigh risks versus benefits, both to myself and to those around me, and my decision is that not flying the MAX is safer than flying it, while taking the vaccine is safer than not taking it.

 

[Heather07438]

For me it's not yes/no; it'll depend on which vaccine(s) are first available and what's known about them at that point, and likely discuss with my doc. Possibly different ones become accessible around the same time and maybe we'll have a choice. Choose wisely... I'd wait for the one that gives me a cool tail Who wouldn't want to swing from the trees?!

 

[pigletto]

I’ll wait until it’s medically motivated ,backed by scientific research and allowed to develop at a natural and vetted pace.

 

[BadPinkTink]

meanwhile in the Irish news https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0904/1163302-who-vaccine-update/

No coronavirus vaccine until mid-2021, warns WHO
Updated / Friday, 4 Sep 2020 19:07

The World Health Organization has said it does not expect widespread immunisation against coronavirus until mid-2021, tempering hopes just as research revealed encouraging early results from a Russian vaccine.

The virus, which has killed nearly 870,000 people worldwide continues to spread, with Italy's flamboyant former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi now in hospital after becoming the latest high-profile figure to test positive for Covid-19.

Another note of caution about a possible vaccine was sounded by WHO special envoy on Covid-19, David Nabarro. He told Times Radio in the UK that it might be as late as 2022 before an antidote was ready.

Across the world, governments are hoping to announce a vaccine as soon as possible against the virus, which has infected well over 26 million people, upended millions of lives and wreaked havoc on the global economy.

The WHO welcomed the fact that a "considerable number" of vaccine candidates had entered final stage trials, which typically involve tens of thousands of people.

But "in terms of realistic timelines, we are really not expecting to see widespread vaccination until the middle of next year," spokeswoman Margaret Harris said.

Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly discussed the procurement of Covid-19 vaccines during a virtual meeting with his EU counterparts today.

He said in a statement: "Ireland fully supports the goal of obtaining a broad portfolio of candidate vaccines that includes a range of different technological approaches, which gives us the best chance of securing a safe and effective vaccine against Covid-19."

Earlier today, WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the agency would not endorse a vaccine if it is not effective and safe.

He also called for countries around the world to join forces to tackle the coronavirus, saying that "vaccine nationalism" would only slow the response to the pandemic.

The WHO director general said 78 high-income countries had now joined the "Covax" global vaccine allocation plan, bringing the total to 170 countries.

 

[Wakey]

I think WHO is talking globally.

There’s also a push to play down how quickly the vaccine will come- so people do not become blasé.

Im pretty confident now one will be approved here in the UK and probably USA and Europe by late November.

Millions of doses are being made now in the UK,

They are also constructing a new plant (planning permissions waived) and it’s already going up and will churn out hundreds of millions of doses.

Here they are shortly training dentists, pharmacists and even vets to give the vaccine.

I’m hoping in the UK at least it will be widely rolled out by Spring.

 

[BadPinkTink]

My advice as an American living in Europe. Look at any news, announcements, approvals the CDC/NIH/FDA Make and compare to the rest of the world. Many in the vaccine race, Pfizer for example, who got billions from operation warp speed also got billions from the EU and other nations. The US is not the only nation doing everything to get their citizens a vaccine. Also many of these companies, including Pfizer are working with other foreign companies ( Germany in this case). I would question is the US was the only western nation approving and distributing a vaccine by end of October and the EU is holding off. Pharma is global.

I can say general word overseas is is all goes well an emergency use ok CAN be available END this year for certain groups. But 2021 will be mass vaccinations. Of course countries are already preparing for production / distribution NOW. Doesn’t mean one is coming very soon.

exactly, Covid 19 is a global pandemic and the vaccine will be achieved by multiple countries working together. When it is finally approved, it will be by global health organizations like The WHO, representing multiple countries and nations. A vaccine for Covid 19 will not just be approved by one country for its citizens and distributed to the citizens of one country before before other countries. The vaccine will be distributed globally at the same time, available to all countries.

No one country will say, WE have the vaccine for OUR citizens. Its a global pandemic , countries are not just looking after themselves and tough about everyone else. There is huge international cooperation in a situation which effects all nations, whether people realize it or not.

 

[mousefan73]

exactly, Covid 19 is a global pandemic and the vaccine will be achieved by multiple countries working together. When it is finally approved, it will be by global health organizations like The WHO, representing multiple countries and nations. A vaccine for Covid 19 will not just be approved by one country for its citizens and distributed to the citizens of one country before before other countries. The vaccine will be distributed globally at the same time, available to all countries.

No one country will say, WE have the vaccine for OUR citizens. Its a global pandemic , countries are not just looking after themselves and tough about everyone else. There is huge international cooperation in a situation which effects all nations, whether people realize it or not.

Why would our current administration be stupid enough to pull out of the WHO in a time like this ?? ( without getting too political we all know that reason which one can agree or not agree with. ). My personal opinion is sure the WHO is not perfect, no entity is. But for love of God you don’t cut them off in the time of a pandemic we have over 1000 people dying a day!!!
And I believe the admin recently statedthey will not participate in the global vaccine initiative by the WHO. I am curious how the US government thinks they can go 100% on their own. Where the entire Pharma Indistry global including supply chains. I wonder how that’s gonna work out?? I know Pfizer for example is already distributing their findings and open source, peer group global network. I am not the expert here maybe someone more on the inside and comment. But it’s one thing to say that the US will know longer work with the WHO but I think in reality the companies within the US still are.

 

[BadPinkTink]

But it’s one thing to say that the US will know longer work with the WHO but I think in reality the companies within the US still are.

exactly this. The chain of years and years of working relationships is not broken as the pharma industry, people of science, understand the global implications and seriousness of a global pandemic. They are working for a vaccine for all people, not just the citizens of a particular country. Even a country like North Korea, which takes huge measures to cut itself off from the world, still has diplomatic, commercial, trade and industrial relationships with other countries. Whether the current leader of a country's Government likes it or not, and it may not align with their personal views, a country can not just stop international trade or things like pharma and science co operation. These systems have been put in place before they became the head of Government and they will still be there when there is a change in the head of Government.

 

[Pyotr]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629
If true it would explain why cases are so high but hospitalization and deaths are still relatively low.

 

[huskies90]

I would get on a MAX today depending on who the airline is.

What would be the difference?

Since @spiders didnt reply, I’ll try...The difference is because the condition with the Max-8’s that caused the 2 crashes was known by the domestic carriers - mainly Southwest and the pilots knew how to handle. And once the condition was recognized, Boeing issued specific training guidelines on how to handle the nose drop on take off. Several pilots reported having to adjust the autopilot on take off due to this condition. Not all the airlines were quick with training their pilots - even after the first crash. I know I personally flew on Max-8’s on Southwest after the first crash and I had no concerns nor would I today if I was flying on Southwest.

Back on topic, taking a vaccine is the same concept as social distancing and wearing masks - you are doing it to help others, not just yourself. Even with operation warp speed - which I know is a cringeworthy name, the vaccine won’t get out to the majority of the population for a long time. Many people will have already taken it and at least the relative safeness will be known. Whether it will be effective I think is the bigger issue but I don’t think I would worry about taking the vaccine if it has passed all the trials and already administered to thousands more.

Just because the process has been fast doesn’t mean it is politically influenced. As much as I do not support the current administration, you have to give credit where credit is due. Rather than putting the development of a single vaccine in the hands of a bureaucratic government agency, they instead fronted the $$ and let the tech companies compete which will yield multiple vaccines a lot faster since tech companies don’t have to wait for the approval before they even start mass producing. Like someone said earlier, 9 women cannot have a baby in 1 month and we cannot cut corners, but in project management, tasks can be crashed to increase speed. And in this case, the government is taking on the financial risk.

And finally, it is amazing that people get so bent out of shape from this headline about end of October. The notice is to just start preparing. If the approval comes in November, December, January or next Spring, why does it hurt to start preparing early just in case it is ready in October. It’s a good thing to be ready early. Another good project management practice.

 

[BadPinkTink]

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54000629
If true it would explain why cases are so high but hospitalization and deaths are still relatively low.

I don't accept that theory. In my country cases are high and hospitalization and deaths are relatively low due to the demographic change of those testing positive in August compared with March / April.

In March / April we had high positive rates and high hospitalization and death rates due to the average age of 83. We had huge clusters in care homes and sheltered living. These people had underlying medical conditions which impacted their ability to recover.

In August, these people are not testing positive, as visiting in care homes is limited and they have much better awareness of Covid, as well as huge numbers of people who have underlying conditions continuing to self isolate and limited their movements and contact with people.

In August the average age of a person testing positive has dropped to 30. Its the young relatively healthy people testing positive now, people who are going back to work, people who are using public transport, people going back into society as they feel they are less at risk. They are wrong, Covid is still here, still in the community, its not contained, its just that different parts of the population are spreading it now.

We have a track and trace AP, we get daily breakdown of age , location, male / female of those who are testing positive, we have a national Covid dashboard where all the data is compiled into a central data. Everything is done at a national level, and not piecemeal, so we get a clear overall view of things.

 

[samsteele]

As for shingles, younger people can certainly get this and I believe that I read that it has increased among those age groups.

Agree. I had my shingles shot(s) about a year and a half ago before I turned 50. I watched my aunt suffer from repeated bouts with shingles and it always went for her eyes and she has glaucoma. I spoke with my family md and she wrote the script even though it generally isn't recommended for adults under 50. Once you see family or close friends suffer repeatedly over decades with it, its a big kick in the pants to get the shots. The downside to early shingles vaccination may be that it isn't as effective once I reach my 70s. Time will tell. But I chose to get protected now and for the earlier years to come.

 

[penn19]

J&J has one that works for hamsters. Let’s hope this one doesn’t get rushed. I don’t want to grow a tail.

And a 2 year life span.