CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[georgina]

1/3 people who have had chicken pox will get shingles, after watching my dad deal with shingles, i would not wish that on anyone. Going to pay for the vaccines out of pocket this year for both my husband and I (50/52) as I think we are too early for insurance coverage, but spending the money is better than shingles.

Depends on your insurance. Shingrix is recommended for people over 50, my insurance paid 100%. My DH on medicare had to pay something like $360 total because he hadn't hit his deductible yet. (2 shots)

 

[KBoopaloo]

This kind of thing happens frequently in trials so I don’t have too much long term worry over it but this is also the kind of thing that makes a November timetable seem unlikely - any kind of pause slows everything down.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/08...d-adverse-reaction-in-participant-in-the-u-k/

 

[godisney14]

Thank you. Finally someone states what should be known to anyone who took a remedial science class. Many things that were once seen as scientific fact, underwent the scientific method and were found as false.

Yup. Science textbooks can become outdated.

This kind of thing happens frequently in trials so I don’t have too much long term worry over it but this is also the kind of thing that makes a November timetable seem unlikely - any kind of pause slows everything down.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/08...d-adverse-reaction-in-participant-in-the-u-k/

This is why you let the process run its due course and not expedite it, unless we are talking about immediate life and death cases. Once you enroll a broader population in the thousands, you start seeing things that may be unanticipated.

 

[superme80]

This kind of thing happens frequently in trials so I don’t have too much long term worry over it but this is also the kind of thing that makes a November timetable seem unlikely - any kind of pause slows everything down.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/08...d-adverse-reaction-in-participant-in-the-u-k/

Very glad to hear this. I do want a workable vaccine. I am happy to see them slowing it down, and not powering through. This actually helps me feel better about it.

 

[mousefan73]

Listening to Dr. Gottlieb on CNBC. Seems this reaction( which not yet known if related to vaccine) is one of the rare ones that can happen with other vaccines ( flu). He thinks it will take weeks for the study to resume. Other studies most likely will have their data more deeply looked into For possible reactions . In the end all vaccines carry a risk and a benefit / risk analysis will be made.

I understood this as such: IF this reaction was due to the vaccine and very rare and that risk is less than the number the vaccine saves then it’s a winner. that is how most vaccines are anyways. Any vaccine carries a very small risk.

 

[mefordis]

This kind of thing happens frequently in trials so I don’t have too much long term worry over it but this is also the kind of thing that makes a November timetable seem unlikely - any kind of pause slows everything down.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/09/08...d-adverse-reaction-in-participant-in-the-u-k/

Inflammation of the spinal cord - that's an intense reaction.

 

[Pyotr]

It’s just one vaccine out of many. The reaction may or may not be a response to it anyways.

 

[_19disnA]

But part of the reason you don't rush phase 3 trials. We still have ZERO evidence that any of the vaccines in development actually prevent you from getting covid.

 

[Hikergirl]

It’s just one vaccine out of many. The reaction may or may not be a response to it anyways.

Anyways what?

 

[Hikergirl]

But part of the reason you don't rush phase 3 trials. We still have ZERO evidence that any of the vaccines in development actually prevent you from getting covid.

Heck they don't even know all the ways COVID effects you, they are still learning things 6 months later.
Yet we are supposed to trust that any rushed new vaccine's effects on the body is completely understood?
This news is just one more reason we don't have all the data to approve it yet.

 

[mousefan73]

Inflammation of the spinal cord - that's an intense reaction.

Transverse Myelitis.. Been googling it all morning.. after watching CNBC Its quite interesting. It's a possible rare autoimmune reaction. Can be triggered by a viral infection or vaccinations. But its such a rare event. I had heard about it but didnt realize what it was.. i read some story about a teen girl years ago who after the HPV shot had to learn how to walk again.. But it is such a rare thing... Like Dr. Gottlieb said. IF and IF they determine this was a reaction, you need to evaluate the big picture... does the vaccine have a greate benefit than risk.

 

[mousefan73]

Heck they don't even know all the ways COVID effects you, they are still learning things 6 months later.
Yet we are supposed to trust that any rushed new vaccine's effects on the body is completely understood?
This news is just one more reason we don't have all the data to approve it yet.

Just as an FYI, - I learned that this is a known, possible reactionfor many other vaccines that have been in the market and accepted for years.... In rare cases, the body reacts to a vaccine in ways it wasnt planned. And to be honest with most vaccinations science is till learning the effects of all vaccinations out there.

 

[Hikergirl]

Just as an FYI, - I learned that this is a known, possible reactionfor many other vaccines that have been in the market and accepted for years.... In rare cases, the body reacts to a vaccine in ways it wasnt planned. And to be honest with most vaccinations science is till learning the effects of all vaccinations out there.

And we (may) have just learned that this is a possible reaction to this vaccine, I consider that a positive thing. I personally would like to know as many of the risks, even the rare ones, before getting this.
If we are still learning effects of all vaccines out there then 3 months sure as hell isn't enough time to know enough about this one....for me. YMMV.

 

[Jonfw2]

Couple of thoughts on the pause in the AZ study:

1. This was absolutely voluntary on their part.
2. There's nothing to currently suggest the condition was related to the vaccine.
3. We don't even know if this person received the actual drug or the placebo.
4. This underscores that a study can be done rapidly AND safely.
5. None of the other trials have paused.

 

[NannyBeBe]

It is not unusual for people to have a reaction to a vaccine. Trials should not be stopped. Too many lives are at stake.

 

[godisney14]

Couple of thoughts on the pause in the AZ study:

1. This was absolutely voluntary on their part.
2. There's nothing to currently suggest the condition was related to the vaccine.
3. We don't even know if this person received the actual drug or the placebo.
4. This underscores that a study can be done rapidly AND safely.
5. None of the other trials have paused.

1. The everyday definition of “voluntary” does not apply here. A sponsor is required to report unanticipated adverse reactions and pause (or modify) the study. Otherwise, the sponsor would be in trouble with the FDA.

2. On the flip side, there’s also nothing to suggest it was related to anything else.

3. True

4. Don’t understand. This is standard safety procedure. Does not mean it is or is not being expedited.

5. Oh, you can bet the farm that other studies are looking more closely at their available data.

 

[Hikergirl]

It is not unusual for people to have a reaction to a vaccine. Trials should not be stopped. Too many lives are at stake.

It wasn't stopped, it was paused to review the data. That is what a trial is supposed to do because people's lives and their safety is at stake.

 

[Jonfw2]

Update: the patient will be discharged from the hospital today. She DID receive the actual vaccine, but it is still not known if the medical event was related to it.

 

[sam_gordon]

So, let's say this reaction IS from the vaccine. And let's say it's a rare reaction... say 1 out of every 1000(?) people who get the vaccine has the reaction. Is that "safe enough" for you to still get the vaccine?

Before you say "of course", if I do my math right (someone correct me if I'm wrong), 1:1000 would be 1000:1M. According to worldometers, Covid has cause 587 deaths/million population in the US. So wouldn't that mean you stand a better chance of having this side effect (yes, assuming the 1:1000) than dying from Covid? And yes, death is not the only possible end result from getting the disease.

 

[usnuzuloose]

I really don't want to take something that I have no idea about.