CDC Notifies States, Large Cities To Prepare For Vaccine Distribution As Soon As Late October

[dvcgirl67]

I'm hearing more National Guard are being pulled into to help administer vaccines..I remember a brief discussion about using the military and why we weren't and I remember me saying we used/use National Guard for COVID testing sites and for delivering of PPE don't see why we couldn't use them for this purpose too.

Part of the problem with using the National Guard for this is that many of the national guardsmen trained to do this already work in healthcare in the private sector. So you're pulling them from one healthcare setting to another....it's not necessarily a gain. Also, the National Guard is getting pulled in a lot of directions right now with requests for them to help keep the peace in D.C. and in state capitols all over the country.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Part of the problem with using the National Guard for this is that many of the national guardsmen trained to do this already work in healthcare in the private sector. So you're pulling them from one healthcare setting to another....it's not necessarily a gain. Also, the National Guard is getting pulled in a lot of directions right now with requests for them to help keep the peace in D.C. and in state capitols all over the country.

I mean if you really have to go be all pessimistic go for it..but come on..take a darn win for pete's sake. Sorry not trying to be rude but whew let's take something when we get it.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I mean if you really have to go be all pessimistic go for it..but come on..take a darn win for pete's sake. Sorry not trying to be rude but whew let's take something when we get it.

Not sure how it's a win if you're simply moving trained healthcare workers from one clinical setting....to another. I don't see how that's a win. If you call up a nurse who is treating Covid patients to do something as simple as vaccinate someone else (that you can train literally anyone to do)....well, that makes literally no sense. It gives the appearance that something is being done.

And added that the National Guard is being pulled in several directions right now.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Not sure how it's a win if you're simply moving trained healthcare workers from one clinical setting....to another. I don't see how that's a win. If you call up a nurse who is treating Covid patients to do something as simple as vaccinate someone else (that you can train literally anyone to do)....well, that makes literally no sense. It gives the appearance that something is being done.

And added that the National Guard is being pulled in several directions right now.

Got nothing else to add but enjoy your day

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

As for states, not all states are botching this. Connecticut blew right thru their Phase 1a without issues and are moving on to Phase 1b.

I mentioned on another thread. We shouldn't necessarily focus on how quickly a state moves onto a phase just by that alone. Every state has different phases too so it's not a tit for tat situation. One big thing is how many people in each phase are choosing/getting the vaccine. If you move through quickly but that's because less people got it...that's not what we want. If you move through quickly because a certain phase doesn't include a lot of people that will impact things too. But if you're moving quickly because you've got your system down that is really good and that's what we want (well that along with more supply )

Looking at CDC's vaccine tracker CT does have a high #/per 100k vaccinated on a 1st dose (and I just noticed they've added numbers for 2nd dose as people have now had the time to get that) so yes they are doing well

While CT is preparing to move on to Phase 1B the only people who can get scheduled right now are those aged 75 and up within Phase 1B. According to the news my county is preparing to start Phase 2 first part of Feb. and that will include aged 65 and up which were pushed ahead of congregate settings (there was no age 75 and up in my state). According to my county 25K of healthcare workers in signed up for wanting the vaccine. By that alone it will take a while with the amount of doses they get from the state (which was something like 5-6,000 doses to begin with) and the state gets from the federal government. But the county started up a survey now for interest/level of demand for phase 2.

When all this is said and done I would love love love to find out which states had a better distribution AND why, which states with respects to their given population had a better plan and execution of said plan within their state, etc.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

We need to take a step back and realize how difficult this entire process is. From research, to development, to trials and approvals, to production, to delivery, to administration - it is a logistical nightmare and we are here in less than 10 months. Pretty freakin’ amazing!! If we can keep pace at 1 million a day, we will have half the population done by Spring. That is great news!! Folks just need to show a little patience. We will get there. And don’t get bent out of shape if so-and-so group or person gets a shot before another, the important thing is to get the shots in people’s arms. Everyone will get their chance.

Amen! I don't know how people use up so much energy finding bad in everything or nearly everything. I know I had to ease up on my awareness of masks because I was spending too much of my energy and got anxiety looking at that. I felt better after that, still have that stress, but felt better, maybe some need to do that and take a step back for a little while. Come back hopefully refreshed Well all need that mental break every now and then

 

[Heigh-Ho]

yeah...maybe let’s wait to see if the vaccine doses actually show up.

I really hope they do! I'm keeping my fingers crossed but we really need more doses

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

But, regardless, what does shipping out more do if states can't even administer the first doses properly.

This is from a few days ago but this is what my state said: "So our limiting factor is the amount of vaccine we get,” he said. “We’ve got 278 vaccinating sites. We have the capacity to double that and to go to mass vaccination sites, but why set up a mass vaccinations when you don’t have any vaccine?”

So at least from my state (which I'm not saying has been 100% perfect but seems to have a good enough handle on it) shipping out more would be exactly what we need.

 

[gwynne]

I'm hearing more National Guard are being pulled into to help administer vaccines..I remember a brief discussion about using the military and why we weren't and I remember me saying we used/use National Guard for COVID testing sites and for delivering of PPE don't see why we couldn't use them for this purpose too.

I think they will use the National Guard in a variety of ways as they ramp up vaccinations.
Likely some may be called up while others will assist during their monthly drill weekends.
The goal is to rapidly speed up the rate of vaccinations. Having ready made teams with skills in (for example) medicine, logistics and civil engineering will help tremendously to meet that goal.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I think they will use the National Guard in a variety of ways as they ramp up vaccinations.
Likely some may be called up while others will assist during their monthly drill weekends.
The goal is to rapidly speed up the rate of vaccinations. Having ready made teams with skills in (for example) medicine, logistics and civil engineering will help tremendously to meet that goal.

Makes sense and you make a good point about the different ways they can help out.

 

[dvcgirl67]

So, basically, they lied. Shocking, ha Our governor is furious!

Our Governor too, and he tweeted about it today, so I suppose it is a real thing, despite what Pfizer is saying. We helped my in-laws (late 80s) sign up for a vaccine appointment in their county and got them appointments on February 3rd for their first dose. My father-in-law just called to let us know that he got an email from their county health department that they are now unsure whether they will have supply for their date. And so, clearly there was some kind of miscommunication between the federal government and my state with respect to supply. And so it goes....

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Looks like my county has added information to their vaccine webpage and it helps understand things more:



Highlighted in yellow are doses that came straight from the state. The rest of the doses were through hospital systems in the metro. All of these went to healthcare workers (included EMS staff). LTC were with the government partnership. You can see how much of it has just come in in the last few days; we need more and more doses that's for sure!. From the survey there were 25K healthcare workers who completed that to given interest it may even be more as time goes on.

They just started a survey for Phase 2 yesterday to gain an idea on interest level/demand and they said because so many people tried to fill it out they had to increase the server capacity. Phase 2 will be a very large number of people that qualify. So far about 6hrs ago there's been 48K who have filled it out. Like someone mentioned patience will be needed here.

 

[mefordis]

Not sure how it's a win if you're simply moving trained healthcare workers from one clinical setting....to another. I don't see how that's a win. If you call up a nurse who is treating Covid patients to do something as simple as vaccinate someone else (that you can train literally anyone to do)....well, that makes literally no sense. It gives the appearance that something is being done.

And added that the National Guard is being pulled in several directions right now.

Not all national guard nurses are treating covid patients.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Not all national guard nurses are treating covid patients.

I understand that...it was an example. In my state, they put out a call for experienced healthcare workers (active or retired) to sign up for our “vaccinator army”. I did that days ago...haven’t heard back.

Every state is different...here, seems like we simply don’t have supply. If my governor called up the national guard to vaccinate people....they’d be twiddling their thumbs.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Part of the problem with using the National Guard for this is that many of the national guardsmen trained to do this already work in healthcare in the private sector. So you're pulling them from one healthcare setting to another....it's not necessarily a gain. Also, the National Guard is getting pulled in a lot of directions right now with requests for them to help keep the peace in D.C. and in state capitols all over the country.

I understand that...it was an example. In my state, they put out a call for experienced healthcare workers (active or retired) to sign up for our “vaccinator army”. I did that days ago...haven’t heard back.

Every state is different...here, seems like we simply don’t have supply. If my governor called up the national guard to vaccinate people....they’d be twiddling their thumbs.

16 states disagree with you or at least don't see it the way you do.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine-national-guard.html
Also in that article it says: "Many more states are using thousands more Guard personnel for logistical tasks, like putting together vaccine kits and moving them around, logging in patients and controlling lines at state vaccination sites." "In West Virginia, for example, about 100 Guard troops are assisting with distribution across the state. We are a logistical operation here,” said Maj. Holli Nelson, a spokeswoman for the Guard there. “That is what the military does best.”

"In Maryland, Gov. Larry Hogan originally planned to disseminate vaccines largely through private health care providers and drugstore chains, setting up state-run clinics later. Last week, realizing that the private sector was unable to ramp up operations as quickly as he had hoped, Mr. Hogan turned to 140 Maryland National Guard members to help with pop-up sites in three counties and will be adding six more next week to help county and state health officials."

Much more in that article. It's not as doom and gloom as you think. Let's look for some positives here

 

[Jonfw2]

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[dvcgirl67]

Hey everybody. I’ve been gone for a while. Ten days, in fact. I know there were a lot of rumors and conjecture about my absence. But I don’t want to deceive anyone or leave anyone with the wrong impression.

So here goes:

For the last ten days, I have been on a top secret mission. I can’t tell you who sent me or for what purpose, but I’m now able to reveal it involved Elon Musk, a popular basic cable television series, and one extremely rare musk ox.

I hope I’ll be able to share more later.

Sounds important! Glad you lived to fight another day. Welcome back.

 

[dvcgirl67]

It's not as doom and gloom as you think. Let's look for some positives here

I am not "all doom and gloom" in this thread...I have cited lots of positives. I just don't happen to think that the National Guard is the answer here....that's all. There are plenty of qualified people to vaccinate the population. There's supply that is sitting in freezers, not because there aren't vaccinators, but because there aren't takers at that hospital, facility....etc. That supply needs to move where it will immediately be used. What we truly need is a more coordinated federal plan to disseminate the supply. I'm hopeful that will come together in the coming weeks. When we have lots of supply and overwhelming demand...then I can see calling up the national guard. Anyway....it doesn't matter, none of us are in charge .

And I think we'd all agree that Dr. Scott Gottlieb has called balls and strikes throughout this pandemic. This morning, he seems quite concerned. We're going to see a drop in cases, hospitalizations and deaths in the coming weeks, only to see cases rise again as the new variants take hold. He's calling for more vigilant masking...even calling for people to wear N95s.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1350809330740768769

https://twitter.com/x/status/1350809904341262341

 

[Heigh-Ho]

I am not "all doom and gloom" in this thread...I have cited lots of positives. I just don't happen to think that the National Guard is the answer here....that's all. There are plenty of qualified people to vaccinate the population. There's supply that is sitting in freezers, not because there aren't vaccinators, but because there aren't takers at that hospital, facility....etc. That supply needs to move where it will immediately be used. What we truly need is a more coordinated federal plan to disseminate the supply. I'm hopeful that will come together in the coming weeks. When we have lots of supply and overwhelming demand...then I can see calling up the national guard. Anyway....it doesn't matter, none of us are in charge .

And I think we'd all agree that Dr. Scott Gottlieb has called balls and strikes throughout this pandemic. This morning, he seems quite concerned. We're going to see a drop in cases, hospitalizations and deaths in the coming weeks, only to see cases rise again as the new variants take hold. He's calling for more vigilant masking...even calling for people to wear N95s.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1350809330740768769

https://twitter.com/x/status/1350809904341262341

I was talking about your reaction to bringing in people to help. It seems they want to help, it seems other states are willing to use them , it seems they are using them in multiple ways. You were saying before that we needed the vaccine in pharmacies (no disagreement there) but when a state realized that wasn't happening quickly enough they switched it up and found people who could get the vaccine to their population and quickly.

The National Guard isn't as strapped as you think they are and they want to help. I'm thinking you have some National Guard in your state twiddling their thumbs right now wishing they could be out there helping. Isn't the fact that the National Guard is able to help out states in the capacity they need better for us all? Maybe your state and other states just can't do that yet or they don't need them to. That's okay. We should be happy that our fellow states are getting the help they need.

I'm not interested in a discussion on Dr. Gottleib and variants not that I'm trying to be rude, was only talking about National Guard. The usage of National Guard is serving the very purpose you seem concerned about which is getting vaccine to people, helping out on doing the administering of it, helping in capacities that their community needs. It may not be in your state, but it is in other parts of the U.S. That is worthy of .

I just wanted to give some information on the different ways they are helping out that's all

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Hey everybody. I’ve been gone for a while. Ten days, in fact. I know there were a lot of rumors and conjecture about my absence. But I don’t want to deceive anyone or leave anyone with the wrong impression.

So here goes:

For the last ten days, I have been on a top secret mission. I can’t tell you who sent me or for what purpose, but I’m now able to reveal it involved Elon Musk, a popular basic cable television series, and one extremely rare musk ox.

I hope I’ll be able to share more later.

Welcome back! Any news on when you may be eligible to get the vaccine? I think I may have lost that information if you told us before