Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[hambirg]

One thought just off the top of my head is that Casey would know that Cindy and George could figure out that the ladder would have had to be placed so that Caylee could have climbed in and drowned. So there would be nothing "accidental" about it, i.e. Caylee couldn't have just walked over and fell into it, like she could if it was an inground pool, and Casey would get blamed. Voila, cover up begins. Casey then has 31 days to think how to explain everything, and voila, kidnapping lie/story starts.

You have to keep in mind that Casey is a pathological liar to the nth degree and will stick with a lie even when it's proven to be untrue, no matter what.

JMO though, I don't think there was any drowning involved. Right now (and this theory could and has changed many times in my mind!) I think she had Caylee in the car trunk and had her drugged and taped to be quiet while she was partying and Caylee died.

In March '08 she was looking up:
- PC search "chloroform" (note - 84 times!)
- PC search "making weapons"
- PC search "self defense"
- PC search "neck breaking"
- PC search "shovel"

This and lots of other good info here, click on each date and it will bring up:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_directory_index.htm

She also was searching here:

Digging through Casey's Internet history, Eyewitness News discovered evidence she was surfing missing children web sites months before Caylee disappeared. She visited one more than a year ago. Ironically, now Caylee's picture takes center stage on that same site.

Right before she was arrested she put up this quote from rapper Tupac which reads:

"You can spend minutes, hours, days, weeks or even months over-analyzing a situation; trying to put the pieces together, justifying what could've, would've happened. Or you can just leave the pieces on the floor and move the [expletive] on."

Guess she decided to just leave the pieces in the woods and move on.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17567178/detail.html

Thanks!

I still don't see how her accidentally drowning could lead to this kind of cover up that has in sued.

As far as Kronk, he's a scapegoat. . .and certainly a creepy guy. BUT, and I think it's a big but, he would have had to had access to Caylee. . .and there is no evidence of that at all. If he simply snatched her, where is the reporting her missing right away? Why the nanny story? Why the plausible drowning scenario? I think they are grasping at straws here.

 

[Nancy]

The defense stated that Caylee accidentally drowned and George covered it up. What is Kronk's role in the death of Caylee?

exactly. According to her lawyers Caylee was not murdered. She accidentally drowned. So no matter how much of a scum bag Kronk is and whatever stuff his ex wives say about him it doesn't matter because Caylee (according to the legal team and now Casey) was not murdered.


Was Kronk babysitting Caylee when she drowned? That is the only way they could even remotely say he had anything to do with it.

As for his comments to his son? I could see a jerk type of guy bragging about how found the remains so he's going to be rich and famous now..bragging and being a jerk doesn't make you a murderer.

 

[CurlyGirl]

As far as Kronk, he's a scapegoat. . .and certainly a creepy guy. BUT, and I think it's a big but, he would have had to had access to Caylee. . .and there is no evidence of that at all. If he simply snatched her, where is the reporting her missing right away? Why the nanny story? Why the plausible drowning scenario? I think they are grasping at straws here.

Yep! Exactly!

 

[LisaR]

Regardless of the type of abuse ... if you were abused (physically, mentally, emotionally, sexually, etc.) by your parent, would you want your child exposed to the same thing?

And especially for the reasons she was allowing Caylee to stay there. Obviously, I wouldn't let my child around a known abuser under any circumstances but they could have tried to justify it if Casey only did it because she was working 80 hours a week trying to get enough money to get away from George. Instead, she left her precious baby with an evil monster so she could go shopping, partying, and have sex with her boyfriend? Maybe that makes sense in "Casey Land" but everyone else out there sees right through that.

 

[diznygirl]

How does Kronk's personal problems make Casey any less guilty in the death of her daughter?

 

[diznygirl]

As for duct tape and bodily fluids, if it occurred to one law enforcement officer or retired investigator, then naturally it occured to the experts investigating this case. If
They had found anything, we'd know about it.

 

[CurlyGirl]

How does Kronk's personal problems make Casey any less guilty in the death of her daughter?

He allegedly duct taped his ex-wives. Has he duct taped random teens and children? If not, then what he did to his wives has no impact on this case. If he has been convicted of duct taping random teen girls and kids, then would probably make me wonder.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Double post. Sorry.

 

[LisaR]

He allegedly duct taped his ex-wives. Has he duct taped random teens and children? If not, then what he did to his wives has no impact on this case. If he has been convicted of duct taping random teen girls and kids, then would probably make me wonder.

But in this case, it wouldn't matter if Kronk had duct taped 100 little girls. The defense claims Caylee drowned accidentally and the only people there to witness it were George and Casey. Kronk shouldn't factor into the defense at all based on opening arguments.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Regardless of the type of abuse ... if you were abused (physically, mentally, emotionally, sexually, etc.) by your parent, would you want your child exposed to the same thing?

TRue. But my point is she had her attorney convinced she told Tony and it turns out that there was no abuse that Tony was aware of. Oops. Jose wasn't happy about that.

 

[dnoyes]

How does Kronk's personal problems make Casey any less guilty in the death of her daughter?

It doesn't.

I posted that story just to give people a heads up on who this guy is and what I think the DT is going to try to pin on him.

That HE moved the body.

That HE put the tape on Caylee.

 

[ilovepete]

I think the thing with Kronk that the defense was getting at was that we can't trust any of the evidence at the crime scene because he messed with it. But it seems, with all of the plant growth and everything in the remains that their story may not pan out.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

It doesn't.

I posted that story just to give people a heads up on who this guy is and what I think the DT is going to try to pin on him.

That HE moved the body.

That HE put the tape on Caylee.

But where did G and/or ICA put it then? How did Kronk know and have access to it?

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

Here's a little something to get you going on Roy Kronk.

New questions that we posed first here on Rose Speaks.com have finally come to light in filings on Thursday, November 19, 2009.

OK. And?? I've already heard bits and pieces of that info (please put a link to the source next time, ok? Thanks! I don't know who this Rose Speaks is, or where she/it is getting the info). Roy Kronk apparently is a creep. What does that have to do with this case; how does it change anything about Casey murdering Caylee? I'm not asking for an answer. What I'm saying...and have said a couple of times before...is that, like your mother, I'm going to watch and see what the defense says about him, and what the prosecution counters with. Heck, there are people who can easily say I have a duct tape obsession. Long story.

The defense stated that Caylee accidentally drowned and George covered it up. What is Kronk's role in the death of Caylee?

I'm with you. I think with all his creepiness, we know NOTHING about Roy Kronk and his actual involvement with this case, until the Defense puts it out there.

Casey, Cindy & George knew Caylee could climb up that ladder. Casey could've easily have said "I took my eyes off of Caylee/I thought Caylee was sleeping on the sofa/insert whatever excuse and when I went to check on her, she was gone. I looked all over for her and found her in the pool. She knew how to climb the stairs but usually has someone behind her to be safe. She must've decided to do that on her own." and made it look like a total accident.

IF (huge IF because I do not think there was a drowning) that happened, Casey would've been charged with neglect/negligence for not watching her child. That would've been an easier sentence to swallow than what she faces now.

Exactly. Is that family whose 2 yr old just drowned in their pool being charged with something?

They don't need to prove motive but I believe they did when they went though the 31 day timeline. Being free of responsbilities, able to party, go to PR, sleep around, etc. without have the "little snot" around was her motive, IMO. You know, live the "good life".

I agree.

Do I think she is guilty? yes, 100 % guilty, but not sure if pre-meditated or just spur of the moment or even maybe didn't mean to but it happened so she had to cover it up.

"Pre-meditated" is doing the searches for the ways to kill someone, but even without that, placing THREE pieces of duct tape over her mouth/nose, one at a time, constitutes pre-meditation. With each placement of tape, she knows what she is doing and she can stop. Pre-meditation doesn't have to be some long period of time or some big plot.

exactly. According to her lawyers Caylee was not murdered. She accidentally drowned. So no matter how much of a scum bag Kronk is and whatever stuff his ex wives say about him it doesn't matter because Caylee (according to the legal team and now Casey) was not murdered.

Was Kronk babysitting Caylee when she drowned? That is the only way they could even remotely say he had anything to do with it.

As for his comments to his son? I could see a jerk type of guy bragging about how found the remains so he's going to be rich and famous now..bragging and being a jerk doesn't make you a murderer.

How does Kronk's personal problems make Casey any less guilty in the death of her daughter?

 

[Conservative Hippie]

Why couldn't anyone else have found the body? A nun or a priest perhaps??? Or maybe Geraldo.

 

[reelmom]

Regardless of the type of abuse ... if you were abused (physically, mentally, emotionally, sexually, etc.) by your parent, would you want your child exposed to the same thing?

I wouldn't think that you would but people react different ways. The defense could always claim "Stockholm Syndrome" where the hostage or abused child emotionally bonds with the abuser as a strategy for survival. Battered women do this all the time. They know that they are being abused, know they are better off without the abuser, yet take them back because they "love" them. The defense could claim that if Casey didn't go along with George, he would kill her also. Sounds far-fetched but with Baez and Mason, anything is possible.

 

[Mosoh]

They don't need to prove motive but I believe they did when they went though the 31 day timeline. Being free of responsbilities, able to party, go to PR, sleep around, etc. without have the "little snot" around was her motive, IMO. You know, live the "good life".

I agree. By showing the motive instead of claiming the motive was a good move. The defense cannot attack what the prosecution didn't say

 

[diznygirl]

It doesn't.

I posted that story just to give people a heads up on who this guy is and what I think the DT is going to try to pin on him.

That HE moved the body.

That HE put the tape on Caylee.

Thanks. We pretty much already know he's creepy and a problem for the prosecution.

It doesn't prove that Casey is not guilty of the charges.

I think the jury can filter out irrelevant information.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

It doesn't.

I posted that story just to give people a heads up on who this guy is and what I think the DT is going to try to pin on him.

That HE moved the body.

That HE put the tape on Caylee.

And he put the duct tape on when? In the Florida heat, the body could have decomposed in two weeks...let's even just say two months (August). Once decomposition occurs, without the duct tape, the mandible would have separated from the skull. The duct tape was there before decomposition. Or did George hand off the body of his beloved granddaughter immediately to Kronk to dispose of her?

Why couldn't anyone else have found the body? A nun or a priest perhaps??? Or maybe Geraldo.

Could've used Mother Theresa right about then! Geraldo would have had a camera crew and scheduled TV time before going in and miraculously finding her.

Anyone familiar with the Molly Bish story in MA? She was a lifeguard and went missing. Body missing for 3 years. There's a wacky story there about who found her too.

 

[dnoyes]

But where did G and/or ICA put it then? How did Kronk know and have access to it?

Just a guess but maybe in the backyard where the police dog reacted to a spot near the sandbox

Kronk was a meter reader so maybe he saw something he shouldn't have. Like Casey with a shovel