Casey Anthony TRIAL thread #2

[MaryAnnDVC]

I agree, They probably will not put on. But they cannot claim that she is protected by the 5th (regarding the theory/accusations) and expect or demand the jury to ignore it. PLUS--I do believe the experts will be an issue. Without Casey being their patient--who can put any credence to the relevance of their testimony if they A) never treated her or B) saw her for a one hour "let's talk" session.

Their opinions won't carry much weight if that is the case. Prosecution: "Casey lied about so many things, is it possible that this is another lie?". The only answer to that question is a profound NO.

Just remembered that I read in one of her letters to Robyn that she had gone to a Dr...therapist?...about the abuse years ago. Now I can't remember exactly what she said...those letters were pretty bizarre. But, wouldn't Baez, reading her letters (where he got his "defense" from, I presume), find out from Casey who that Dr is and get him on the stand?

 

[kidshop]

I know how this is going to sound, but bear with me.

Dr. G said 100% of accidental drownings are reported. How can this be possible? 100% ? There are so many missing people/children that I'm thinking couldn't some of them have drowned accidentally with the accompanying person panicking and dumping the body somewhere never to be found?

I mean, common sense and plain old human feelings would make the person call 911, but we're all not the same and there have to be exceptions.

I was trying to see Casey as innocent. What if Caylee did accidentally drown in the pool under Casey's care and Casey covered it up because she's seriously mentally ill and so was able to jolly along with her day without feelings because she's only capable of loving her own well being? Can someone answer this without emotion playing a part in your response and just be unbiased for a moment, focusing on the possibility of Casey being mentally ill?

Dr G also said 100% of the time they are reported unless there is a reason (not to report it). Like maybe there are drugs in the house etc.

I could have believed Caylee accindentally drowned under Casey's care and she panicked. Had she mentioned that 3 years ago, she wouldn't be on trial now IMO. Saying George and Kronk are involved is just more along the lines of Zanny the imaginary nanny. And the duct tape speaks for itself.

 

[dnoyes]

That was to be expected. It's not a result of a bad presentation of the motion.I'm not sure why your mother is a more "completely neutral party" than anyone else. But, OK.

It's my understanding that there were 3 pieces of tape ON Caylee, and one away from the body. And what "do the math" do you mean? And what has your mother seen many times...duct tape on a child's mouth, holding in fluids from an accidental drowning? Or the use of trash bags to discard a 2 yr old after an accidental drowning? Or what? I'm confused.

Don't know much about Kronk, what he did, what the defense said he'll do, what the prosecution will counter with...just waiting till the case is finished to comment on that.

By neutral I was only saying she had not heard about the case one way or the other. She had no opinion and is only going off what she sees in court each day. Like a juror should be doing. I'm sure there are people posting/reading this thread that are new to this case (like good old mom) that don't agree this is a slam dunk for the State of Florida.

This is a Disney board so I didn't want to spell out where the third piece of tape started out .... does that help

Yes tape is often used to control body fluids as well as garbage bags. Bags more so for the ... um .. lower half.

It's time to buff up on your Kronk reading MaryAnnDVC It's gonna be a wild ride.

BTW good job keeping this thread alive

 

[CurlyGirl]

If the drowning was accidental, as we're being told, why the need to cover it up and throw the child away like garbage? Don't tell me she panicked. Most people whose children have drown in the pool panic.

That is what is troublesome. Why cover up something that was an accident ... unless there's more to it?

And there is more to it .........

 

[Nancy]

I agree - all they had to do was plant the seed of reasonable doubt, and instead they put a story out there that now they are going to have to prove.

yep.


Can't open your case with "Caylee died as the result of accidental drowning and George helped Casey cover it up because he sexually abused her for years and she was terrified to tell the truth" without backing up that whole story.

How are they going to back it up without hearing it right from Casey? If they hear from a friend that "Casey told me that her Dad abused her", wouldn't that just be hearsay and not allowed?

George has already said he did not abuse her....is he a liar? Bozo will need to prove that he lied and not Casey. Gee, just who has a HUGE track record of being a liar?

 

[LisaR]

I agree - all they had to do was plant the seed of reasonable doubt, and instead they put a story out there that now they are going to have to prove.

I could see Baez wanting to run with something so incredibly stupid but one would think Mason, with all his "expertise," would have demanded that Baez tell the jury that Caylee's death was accidental and Casey panicked.........nothing more. That is reasonable doubt. I can't figure out for the life of me why they would throw that nonsense about George in there even if it was true. It doesn't add anything to the story and only makes reasonable doubt turn into, "Really? Are you kidding me?"

 

[CurlyGirl]

If your parent abused you, would you let that parent watch and help raise your kid? Would you live with that parent? Seriously ......

 

[joviroxx]

I agree - all they had to do was plant the seed of reasonable doubt, and instead they put a story out there that now they are going to have to prove.

And if they don't , they lose credibility. They put themselves in this unnecessary hole.

 

[Nancy]

If your parent abused you, would you let that parent watch and help raise your kid? Would you live with that parent? Seriously ......

I know I wouldn't. I'd be keeping my children as far away from that person as possible.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

By neutral I was only saying she had not heard about the case one way or the other. She had no opinion and is only going off what she sees in court each day. Like a juror should be doing. I'm sure there are people posting/reading this thread that are new to this case (like good old mom) that don't agree this is a slam dunk for the State of Florida.

This is a Disney board so I didn't want to spell out where the third piece of tape started out .... does that help

Yes tape is often used to control body fluids as well as garbage bags. Bags more so for the ... um .. lower half.

It's time to buff up on your Kronk reading MaryAnnDVC It's gonna be a wild ride.

BTW good job keeping this thread alive

This may be a Disney board, but this discussion is hardly about Disney. It's got child murder, incest, and a whole lot more...I don't think you can get much worse. You seem to have more information than I've read or heard anywhere, so please share.

Maybe someone else can help with information? Were there, as I understood, actually 3 pieces of tape attached to her hair, and a 4th piece several feet away? Or was it 2 and 1? And is there some kind of evidence that it was used "elsewhere" to prevent the release of bodily fluids? I thought there was no DNA or fingerprints lifted from the duct tape because of the amount of time out in the elements. I was of the OPINION (my own) that the loose tape might have been wrapped around her wrists and got free when her body decomposed and her bones were distributed by animals.

I'm still not sure what your mother has seen before...accidental drownings where the bodies were plugged up with duct tape? Still confused on that. She seems to be "in the know" about this particular type of case, but I'm still not sure in what way.

As I said, I'll wait to see what the defense says about Kronk, and what the prosecutors counter, just like the jury and your mom.

 

[kidshop]

She died in the pool.

And I agree with you they didn't do anything to show motive.

What is the evidence she died accidentally in the pool? Why would someone sit in jail for three years and at the beginning of an expensive Death Penalty trial NOW say it was accidental (and her father was involved) ?

The are five causes of death: suicide, homicide, natural causes, accidental, and disease. (is disease one? I'm not sure if it's 4 or 5!)

Caylee was with the imaginary nanny for 31 days before Cindy called 911. At least 6 people smelled decomp in Casey's car (which she had ditched). When Caylee was found she was bagged and hidden and had duct tape on her face.

She did not die an accidental death.

 

[LisaR]

If your parent abused you, would you let that parent watch and help raise your kid? Would you live with that parent? Seriously ......

And the state better make this a huge point in their cross examination of George after Baez gets done ripping into him. "So you are an evil monster whom your daughter fears but she regularly left her own daughter in your custody, right?"

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I can't figure out for the life of me why they would throw that nonsense about George in there even if it was true. It doesn't add anything to the story and only makes reasonable doubt turn into, "Really? Are you kidding me?"

I think that deserves an adjective! lol

 

[CurlyGirl]

I think that deserves an adjective! lol

By adjective you mean expletive, right? ....

 

[irishbosoxfan]

This may be a Disney board, but this discussion is hardly about Disney. It's got child murder, incest, and a whole lot more...I don't think you can get much worse. You seem to have more information than I've read or heard anywhere, so please share.

Maybe someone else can help with information? Were there, as I understood, actually 3 pieces of tape attached to her hair, and a 4th piece several feet away? Or was it 2 and 1? And is there some kind of evidence that it was used "elsewhere" to prevent the release of bodily fluids? I thought there was no DNA or fingerprints lifted from the duct tape because of the amount of time out in the elements. I was of the OPINION (my own) that the loose tape might have been wrapped around her wrists and got free when her body decomposed and her bones were distributed by animals.

I'm still not sure what your mother has seen before...accidental drownings where the bodies were plugged up with duct tape? Still confused on that. She seems to be "in the know" about this particular type of case, but I'm still not sure in what way.

As I said, I'll wait to see what the defense says about Kronk, and what the prosecutors counter, just like the jury and your mom.

MaryAnn--There were 4 pieces of duct tape total. 3 across her face 1 seperate from the body.

Absolutely ( ) no evidence it was used to hold back body fluids. I also believe it was used on her wrists.

 

[hambirg]

You guys have sucked me in! I don't know a whole lot about this case, certainly less than most of you. So if I'm sitting on that jury, these would be my thoughts. . .if Caylee accidentally drowned in the pool. . .even if you were grossly negligent in her drowning. . .why would you cover it up and dispose of her body? As a loving parent, you would feel horrible but surely want a proper funeral for your child. And then to throw in that the Dad helped her cover up the "accident" because he molested her just doesn't make any sense AT ALL! What grandparent would do that, even if they were a molester??? And then to dispose of the body and go about your life as if nothing has happened. . .partying right? Who could do that and why on earth would they if it was truly an accident?!

One other thing that bothers me is those google searches. . .what were they for again? And was that before or after Caylee supposedly died?

 

[happygirl]

Do they really think anyone believes Caylee drowned??

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

yep.


Can't open your case with "Caylee died as the result of accidental drowning and George helped Casey cover it up because he sexually abused her for years and she was terrified to tell the truth" without backing up that whole story.

How are they going to back it up without hearing it right from Casey? If they hear from a friend that "Casey told me that her Dad abused her", wouldn't that just be hearsay and not allowed?

George has already said he did not abuse her....is he a liar? Bozo will need to prove that he lied and not Casey. Gee, just who has a HUGE track record of being a liar?

They Proferred Tony as he was suPposed to back up Casey's claim as she supposedly confided in him. It went nowhere. Casey referred to physical discipline, not sexual assault, from George and that Lee's one and only attempt to "feel her up" at age 15 failed. (thus it was an attempt at abuse, but not abuse as he did not succeed--something like that.). Not sure why they did not do this in front of the jury--I.e. Was state's objection to it sustained or did defense say "oh never mind".

But the one who could have helped Casey revealed she lied about telling him via his answers.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Do they really think anyone believes Caylee drowned??

They're hoping ....

 

[ilovepete]

I don't buy the "body fluids" excuse for the duct tape at all. Do you think your average 22 year old with not even a high school diploma knows that body fluids are expelled from the body upon death? I have a college degree and I didn't even know that until all this (I mean, makes sense, but I don't have a lot of knowledge about dead bodies).

I agree, she wouldn't. But George, and ex cop, would.

I am NOT saying I think that is what happened, but rather what the defense could say.

Also, as far as the placement of the 4th piece of duct tape found away from the body... I think the pp was trying to say she things it was covering the other bodily orifices on the bottom? I had never even thought of that before. When thinking of that it made me think well wouldn't it come out the ears then, too, but then I guess they covered the ears with duct tape as well? This just keeps getting stranger.