Can someone tell me - WITHOUT turning it into a debate - the difference between..

[Pooh Girl 71]

The ban of Disney sure seems to be alive and well in this part of the world. Sorry to the other SB people, didn't mean to offend anyone.

 

[Princess_Aurora]

I think it all started back when the Lion King came out on video or something...there was that scene where they claimed that the word 'sex' appears in the dust. From what I've heard, the SBC believes that Disney likes to use subliminal messages in their movies and that's why they boycotted it. I might be wrong about this though.

 

[LScot]

Yes, I believe you are wrong about that part. Someone said earlier in this thread it was about homosexuals and Disney giving their partners benefits.

I never read anything about the sex in the sand or even the porno scene in The Aristocats or Rescuers or whichever on it was... those are comments made about Disney though. I've read them before.


The boycott started 8 yrs ago or so and is still on. I just read about it in the "Baptist and Reflector" about 2 weeks ago.

 

[C.Ann]

Wow! This thread is turning out to be fascinating.. Thank you all so much for taking the time to explain these things to me..

Now please don't flame me here - no harm intended - but based on movies I had seen, I had this pre-conceived notion that the congregations of Southern Baptist Churches were predominately black.. (Not that there's anything wrong with that - just a notion I picked up from movies..) AND that it was those congregations that engaged in (what I find fascinating!) the real lively singing and waving of their arms and such.. You have to admit that music is uplifting and looks like fun!

So - you have all done a great service here by correcting this pre-conceived notion that I had in my head.. I was raised a Roman Catholic (althought I no longer practice that religion) and I have very little knowledge of other religions..

Yep - this is really interesting!

 

[OceanAnnie]

Not to draw any flames, but I think you are more likely to get a livelier "fire and brimstone" sermon at a Southern Baptist Church.
(Not to say you will, but you are more likely.)

I've found some that I've been to with friends have a more animated approach to the scriptures.

 

[tar heel]

Southern Baptist churches are autonomous so they vary greatly. Unlike many other denominations, the individual church makes almost all the decisions and can hire AND fire staff at will. Many Southern Baptist churches, especially smaller country ones, are quite Pentecostal and are very much like C. Ann is thinking. The church I grew up in:

Had long and loud fire and brimstone sermons which sometimes delved into evils in the world such as NASCAR, sunbathing and card playing.

Didn't have then and still does not have any women deacons and also has separate Sunday School classes for men and women. Needless to say, a woman preacher has never graced the pulpit.

Had revival meetings in which there was shouting.

Had a lot of singing. Each service opened with about a half dozen songs.

Had an altar call at the end of each service.

Had baptisms in a river.

Was totally white.

On the other hand, some Baptist churches are very progressive. One located near us baptized two gay men last year. Of course, it was kicked out of the association (the local assemblage of all the Southern Baptist churches.)

 

[sunni]

Originally posted by Princess_Aurora
I think it all started back when the Lion King came out on video or something...there was that scene where they claimed that the word 'sex' appears in the dust.

I don't think the Baptist boycott had anything to do with the Lion King. It is true that the word 'sex' appears in the movie, in the scene where Mufasa appears to Simba in the clouds. I've seen it myself, so I'm sure.

 

[sunni]

Around where I live it seems that the Baptists from 2 or 3 different churches frown upon women wearing pants. Which type of Baptist would that be? They are white women, if that makes any difference. Is it likely that they are Southern Baptist, but not all SB churches are that way?

 

[Aimeedyan]

Sunni, it could be SB, or it could not be... each church can decide what they want to do, and each church can have different guidelines on what they expect from members. I haven't run into a SB church that has those clothing guidelines, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.

So it doesn't mean all SB churches will expect that, just those in particular.

Crazy, huh? Just another reason why people really need to research potential churches before leaping into them... because they are all so different =)

 

[Talking Hands]

They could be Southern Baptist or National Baptist. The SB church I attend doesn't really care whether we wear pants or not. Most Sundays I wear slacks and a nice top. Easier to interpret in especially when I need to change levels from the floor to the pulpit area. (nothing to trip on). Other interpreter wears slacks as well.

Edited to correct typo

 

[Celluloidgal]

Originally posted by sunni
Around where I live it seems that the Baptists from 2 or 3 different churches frown upon women wearing pants. Which type of Baptist would that be? They are white women, if that makes any difference. Is it likely that they are Southern Baptist, but not all SB churches are that way?

SB here, and I wear shorts in the summer!!! (Not Daisy Duke types!) It's just too hot here Hard to concentrate on worshiping Jesus when all your worried about is how hot it is and how you can't wait to get home to get comfortable. ....I've even been known to take off my shoes during service

 

[Princess_Aurora]

Originally posted by sunni
It is true that the word 'sex' appears in the movie, in the scene where Mufasa appears to Simba in the clouds. I've seen it myself, so I'm sure.

Actually, it doesn't say sex. It was put in by the special effects team to kind of give a shout out to themselves. If you look closely you can tell that it says SFX (for special effects.)

Snopes.com has it listed as 'undetermined' but they also go into the boycott, which wasn't by the SBC like I mentioned earlier, so sorry about that. According to this page it was by a religious organization called the American Life League.

 

[C.Ann]

Fascinating reading, for sure - but now I'm getting a little confused.. Tell me if I have this right..

There are all different variations of "Baptist" churches..

"Southern Baptist Churches" can either follow set guidelines from a higher authority or spin off and have their own rules and regulations?

And the "liveliness" I spoke of is in Pentecostal churches - not Baptist?

Duh.............. I feel SOOOOO stupid!

 

[tar heel]

Not necessarily C. Ann -- there are plenty of Southern Baptist churches with the liveliness. Read my post again -- not much has changed in that church since I went to college 30 years ago.

And yes Baptist churches are very indepedent. That's one of the things I had to get adjusted to when I became a Presybterian.

As far as the pants and shorts things goes, when I was a child some of the older members in our church were against them, especially shorts. One woman, an absolute pillar of the church (and C. Ann, she was a shouter) got out her sewing machine and made a skirt for her granddaughter who showed up with shorts on. A long skirt, of course! That has changed now b/c the older generation is my parents, and my mother wears shorts.

The funny thing is that when I was a child we considered our church very progressive. The really "lively" people were the Primitive Baptists. Rightly or wrongly, I think of them as being more like the African American churches in style. I know there was more shouting (wasn't real regular in my church, though it happened) and footwashing (Think of Jesus washing the disciples' feet). No snakes though in any of the churches in my area.

 

[disneyjunkie]

Originally posted by C.Ann
Fascinating reading, for sure - but now I'm getting a little confused.. Tell me if I have this right..

There are all different variations of "Baptist" churches..

"Southern Baptist Churches" can either follow set guidelines from a higher authority or spin off and have their own rules and regulations?

And the "liveliness" I spoke of is in Pentecostal churches - not Baptist?

Duh.............. I feel SOOOOO stupid!

The "liveliness" can be found in both Pentecostal and Baptist churches. I'm Pentecostal and most of my friends are Baptist. Our church services are pretty much the same. Same type of music, prayers, and preaching.

The guidelines for Pentecostal churches can also vary. Many don't allow women to wear pants or make up. You have to have your head covered when you're inside the church. Others only ask females not to wear pants inside the church.

 

[bumcat]

Some Baptist churchs are lively and some are not. The one I go to we even wear pants on Sunday morning.
The real lively that I think you are talking about is Assembly of God or Pentecostal and even those are not all alike.
You just have to go one day and see if it's for you. I don't care for several of the Baptist churchs that I have been to but eventually found a nice quiet one that is to my liking. I don't care for all that loud emotional stuff. I was raised in an Assembly of God church and hated it. Never heard much about the love of God just the damnation stuff over and over from that church.
To me the religion itself is not what is important, it's finding a church that preaches what you believe in.
And by the way according to my stepmother we're going to hell for going to a baptist church because we turned away from the Assembly of God church.

 

[LScot]

C. Ann,

No, you're still confused. You might find "lively" Southern Baptist Churches. I've never been to one and I have been to many in East TN. but I'm sure I just haven't "found" one yet (Although I'm NOT looking as that type of thing is NOT for me)

There is a Baptist group that sounds very similar to Southern Baptist Convention that consists mainly of blacks. A few years ago the leader of that group got into trouble for imbezelling or something pretty serious. I can't remember his name.

I believe the SBC makes suggestions and individual churches can agree on those things or disagree. Take for instance the boycott of Disney. For the most part, you make up your own mind.

I've also never been in a SBC that had a "dress code" (although these days we NEED one as people forget modesty). You can wear makeup and pants and even cut your hair!

We don't have women preachers. Individual churches decide about women deacons. My church doesn't (which I believe holds us back but that's another thread ) but the one down the street does have women deacons.

We do have a "mixed" SS class. DH and I are in the same class. Some churches don't have"mixed" classes. I believe that years ago they seperated the sexes even moreso.

We have blacks and whites at my church. Baptisms in the river are optional (too cold for me!). If they boycotted Nascar we'd lose about 1/2 of our members! No shouting at my church-- if someone shouted People would probably fall off the pews! Oh, every once in a while the preacher does get a hearty "Amen!" from someone--but this is rare these days.
I remember DH telling me that while growing up he wasn't allowed to play cards or play any game that used dice. (even like Yahtzee) His mother no longer is so strict about such--I mean while playing with her GDD--DH can do what he wants now! LOL

But, yeah, you get the jest of it. SBC are pretty individual. Mine's very similar to the Methodist church I went to when I was a very small child.

The important thing isn't about whether you wear pants or run up and down the aisle. It isn't about whether you are baptized in the river or in the church. It isn't about whether you go to WDW or drink a beer.
What matters is where you stand with God and your belief in Jesus Christ as the savior.

 

[mep319]

Originally posted by peachgirl
Sounds like you're thinking more of Pentecostal or Assembly of God.

No, SB's are no more strict about music, makeup, smoking and drinking than any other Baptist Church.

A lot of singing? Not anymore or less than any other Baptist Church that I know of.

Lively? Hardly...A rousing chorus of "Just As I Am" for the Alter Call is about as wild as we get.



That's pretty much it in a nutshell and I'm not at all sure that's any different than any other Baptist religion.

I was raised Catholic..my mother side is Catholic. But my great grand father on my father's side was a Baptist minister from WV I remember by grandmother stating she became Methodist b/c her father (my great grandfather) would not allow her family to dance, sing, wear makeup, drink, smoke, play cards, dice etc... So I know some Baptist obviously do not allow that. I can't say which "type" of Baptist he was and now both he and my grandmother have passed away so I certainly can't ask!

 

[mommyseven]

There are fundamental Independent Baptist churches that set their own guidelines. At some fundamental Baptist churches, the women wear only dresses and have long hair. They use only the 1611 King James Version of the Bible and have other rules such as no dancing, popular music, etc.

 

[Pooh Girl 71]

Originally posted by LScot

We have blacks and whites at my church. Baptisms in the river are optional (too cold for me!). If they boycotted Nascar we'd lose about 1/2 of our members! No shouting at my church-- if someone shouted People would probably fall off the pews! Oh, every once in a while the preacher does get a hearty "Amen!" from someone--but this is rare these days.

LOL I have been in many Baptist churches in my life and have yet to find a rowdy one. Your Amen comment hits the nail on the head!

We've been part of Southern Baptist and Independent Baptist churches. I've never run into the strict rules.

And whoever mentioned the Assembly of God and Pentecostal churches as being loud are right. You'll stay awake that's for sure. But, to be honest, all the yelling and running up and down the aisles and speaking in tongues scares the crap out of me.