Bush was told levies could break ....

[damo]

He was not told they could be breached, that is a lie Papa. Unless you have it somewhere else, the video does not support your position.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-01-24-katrina-levees_x.htm

 

[TCPluto]

(P.S. Just a pet peeve, everybody. It's levees and breaches, not levies--that's for taxes--or breeches--those are pants.)

Thanks for the hot tip, I know I'm guilty...

 

[bimshire]

This woman can't put together a complete sentence to save her life and we let her run our state. If you ever hear a speech by her, count the "uh"s and "you knows" in each sentence. All she needs to add is a "like" here and there and we'd have ourselves a real intelligent speech.

Just insert King George everywhere you have your gov's name and at the federal level we got the same problem.

 

[dixipixi]

Did I miss something? Is Louisiana not part of the US? Are we not entitled to the protection of the federal govt? I keep hearing that Louisiana should just take care of itself.

As for asking the Dutch about levee improvements, our state sent a delegation to the Netherlands and came up with a plan. The federal govt does not want to help fund the project.

I live on the northshore of Lake Pontchartrain and I think all of our local govts in this area did a wonderful job. EVERYONE worked together. In our case, we have taken care of ourselves.

Our govt can jump and help people around the world within a few hours (as they should), but they have to be ASKED to come into Louisiana with water and ice? Surely I've missed something.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-01-24-katrina-levees_x.htm

that floodwaters would surge over New Orleans levees,

I'm sorry--but that did not happen.

The levees breeched wihtin the structure allowing water to come through--but there was no surging of water topping the levees.

 

[TCPluto]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-01-24-katrina-levees_x.htm

Thanks for the link.

While someone in FEMA should have briefed the president on the contents of this report, it doesn't appear that they did. And that's a problem.

The issue at hand is folks saying that the president did know and lied about it. The evidence offered does not support their position, but they still hold it out as proof.

Your link certainly looks like FEMA knew. That the president wasn't given the information is a problem. But it doesn't mean that he lied.

Thanks again.

 

[eclectics]

Your link certainly looks like FEMA knew. That the president wasn't given the information is a problem. But it doesn't mean the he lied.

So Brownie didn't do a good job? Even if we were to interpret that he didn't lie, being clueless isn't much better.

 

[TCPluto]

Did I miss something? Is Louisiana not part of the US? Are we not entitled to the protection of the federal govt? I keep hearing that Louisiana should just take care of itself.

As for asking the Dutch about levee improvements, our state sent a delegation to the Netherlands and came up with a plan. The federal govt does not want to help fund the project.

I live on the northshore of Lake Pontchartrain and I think all of our local govts in this area did a wonderful job. EVERYONE worked together. In our case, we have taken care of ourselves.

Our govt can jump and help people around the world within a few hours (as they should), but they have to be ASKED to come into Louisiana with water and ice? Surely I've missed something.

We fought a war over it 140 some years ago, it's call state sovereignty (I think you call it the war of Northern aggression). The federal gov't cannot come in and take over your, or any, state. This includes in disasters, the feds have to be asked in by the state. That request was delayed by LA state governor and NOLA mayor.

Fixing the levees to withstand cat. 5 would be easy. It only takes money. That money has to be appropriated by congress, not allocated by the president.

BTW, Redwings 2, Sharks 0 as we speak.

 

[TCPluto]

So Brownie didn't do a good job? Even if we were to interpret that he didn't lie, being clueless isn't much better.

Well, I'm not sure it was Mike Brown who fell down, but it appears that someone over there did.

 

[dixipixi]

Passing out water and ice is considered taking over?

The request was delayed because we had NO COMMUNICATIONS. Everything was down. If you hear NO is flooding and you don't hear from the mayor, common sense should tell you to go in.

States' rights has nothing to do with it. What about human rights? Those were actual living breathing Americans needing help. Nothing else should have mattered.

I'll ignore the bit about the "War of Northern Aggression" other than to say that NOBODY I know calls it that. That's the dangerous thing about assumptions and generalities....they're never completely right.

 

[TCPluto]

Passing out water and ice is considered taking over?

The request was delayed because we had NO COMMUNICATIONS. Everything was down. If you hear NO is flooding and you don't hear from the mayor, common sense should tell you to go in.

States' rights has nothing to do with it. What about human rights? Those were actual living breathing Americans needing help. Nothing else should have mattered.

I'll ignore the bit about the "War of Northern Aggression" other than to say that NOBODY I know calls it that. That's the dangerous thing about assumptions and generalities....they're never completely right.

Three friends from LA and two from GA. They all call it the war of Northern aggression. I had never heard it until they uttered the phrase.

Your anger and grievances need to be addressed with your state goverment, not the feds.

 

[dixipixi]

I don't have "anger and grievances". I've worked all of that out cutting trees (over 20 200 yr. old oaks in my yard alone), rebuilding my house, and helping my local area get back on its feet.

I don't have issues with any level of the govt. They did what they did and the past is the past. But lets not try to turn things around now and act like they didn't happen. That's all I'm saying. I have to live today. I'm the one that gets up everyday and attempts to make this one better than yesterday.

Read into what you will and twist it to fit your agenda if you must, but I love my state. I love the people and I love our way of life.

Never said I hadn't heard it called that, just that nobody really uses that name. Five friends.....that's what I'd call a consensus.

Hope you never have to live through what we have. I'm through with this, it's totally pointless. Good Night.

 

[LoraJ]

Hi Dixipixi!

I just got back from your wondeful state. I was in NO for Mardi Gras. It was great to see so many people gather together and celebrate. It seemed to give hope that they will rebuild and be stronger.

While down there, I saw a lot of the devastation. Just seeing all those houses destroyed is heartbreaking. Seeing houses with "no dog found" written on them also saddened me.

My boyfriend's mom lives in Jefferson Parish and she was so lucky that the damage to her home was minimal. Some people on her street weren't so lucky.

While down there I could tell that most of the anger was towards FEMA. From the ball I went to and people dressed up in costume around Bourbon Street, many had costumes with blue tarps holding signs like "you're doing a great job Brownie". The only local government bashing I witnessed was mostly chocolate city jokes.

 

[NeverEnufWDW]

We'd all be better off if New Orleans just sank into the ocean and took all the whining liberals with it.

 

[LoraJ]

We'd all be better off if New Orleans just sank into the ocean and took all the whining liberals with it.

What an ignorant thing to say. First of all, New Orleans isn't even by the ocean. Second of all, it's not just occupied with liberals. Disgusting that you wish death on people, no matter what side of the political spectrum they live on. Do you call yourself a Christian? To even joke about something like this just shows what low class you are.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Passing out water and ice is considered taking over?

The request was delayed because we had NO COMMUNICATIONS. Everything was down. If you hear NO is flooding and you don't hear from the mayor, common sense should tell you to go in.
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Request delayed is the fault of the authorities in LA and not the feds--a SOE must be declared and before a calvary enters a border----must be okay to do so.

while response sucked----yes, the state must grant permission and evidently they had better things to do (not) than allow the resources to enter.

When borders and travel ways are closed---the Fed can't just bust through b/c of who they are. It doesn't work that way.

 

[hemispheredancer]

Liar, liar pants on fire......that's what the US gets for getting a Republican in office.

 

[mickeyfan2]

I guess since I am from the New Orleans area, all I can say is DUH!
There have been countless studies on what would happen if a "Katrina" type storm would come through. We all knew the levees were not capable of handling a storm like that.
For them to say they had no idea it would happen is CRAZY!!!

The smartest comment I have seen. The levees were only designed for a cat 4 tops and had sunk over the past decades, so a cat 3 was about all they could hold. At one time Katrina was a cat 5, so everybody knew it was not designed for that. Depending on the expert I have read, some say it was a 4 when it hit and others a 3.

The thing that I think that is really foolish is repopulating the area now with the sub-par levees. It would take years to make them safe enough for another strom of a cat 3+. Why put people back in harms way!?

 

[mickeyfan2]

Everyone here knew it could happen, yet many never "anticipated it". KWIM? I am not saying that all levels of govt didn't fail us, but I think there is huge difference btw being told they would break, and them actually breaking.

ITA

Also, the levee did not break during the storm, many said we dodged a bullet and started back to their lives and whamo the levee broke.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Besides turning the clock back 5-10 years, and having the Federal Government give us the funds to actually build Cat 5 levees, and actually taking and using the money for that...I really don't see what more the Federal Govt could have done.

Why is it on LA people seem to know what the causes and solutions really are? The rest just want to blame somebody and not look at the facts.