Bush Supporters Here: Why the Left Hates Bush

[peachgirl]

Just like Peachgirl assumes that Bush put two black people in high level positions as "tokens" for political gain.

I wish other people would quit speaking and thinking for me. You leave the impression that I said that was the only reason and I did not.

I said they were qualified but that their talent wasn't the only reason bush appointed them. And I don't assume it. The article posted on this thread is proof that they expect black appointments to prove something to the black community.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by WillyJ
Kendra,

How nice of you to lecture everyone else about "emotional responses" and infer that you and your ilk are the only ones who base their opinions on facts. . . and then post such an ignorant and bigoted and false statement about Islam?


You do know that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all share a common foundation in the Old Testament, right?

No, obviously not. . . perhaps you're the one who could some time in the library..

Have you read any part of the Koran? There are many many passages in there that promote the things she states.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by WillyJ
Kendra,

How nice of you to lecture everyone else about "emotional responses" and infer that your ilk are the only ones who base their opinons on facts. . . and then post such an ignorant and bigoted and false statement about Islam?


You do know that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all share a common foundation in the Old Testament, right?

No, obviously not. . . perhaps you're the one who could some time in the library..

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Thank you for your very kind post. Your attempt to educate me is very much appreciated though my ongoing laughter at reading your post prevented me from going to the library as you suggested.

Certainly it's very easy for you, apparently, to accuse someone in the opposition of bigotry. However, unfortunately for you, your point regarding the commonality of Islam, Judaism and Christianity is illustrative more of your own ignorance than my nonexistent bigotry.

The fact of the matter is, while Islam recognizes one God and Abraham as a prophet, there is little else in common with the two other religions that you mentioned. You apparently are trying to make the argument that Christian or Jewish Americans actually are linked to the Islamic terrorist killer murderers by some commonality in religion. Time for you to read the Koran. Your next post could readily quadruple the length of this one listing only the edicts to kill Jews, enslave them, kill and enslave the heathens-- of which group you might very well belong as an American.

As an American, you are part of the Great Satan. And, if you follow the rhetoric of the Mullahs and Imams of Islam, you'll note that our fate, if they would have their way, won't be a pretty one. The Mullahs, Imams and Ayatollahs have made no bones about hiding their desire to destroy the United States. (In light of that, the Islamist government of Iran's current nuclear weapons program is a bit worrisome).

I know that you've, by now, successfully ignored every point I've just made. You actually may already be crafting your witty and erudite response. Unfortunately, again for you, whatever erudition, and with whatever poetics you build your reply, it will be insufficient to mask the lack of knowledge upon which it is built.

I should add, with respect to the moderate Muslims, there are those who ignore the Koranic edicts to kill all Jews and Infidels just as ALL the Christians and Jews ignore the Old Testament edict to stone homosexuals. Unfortunately (and, pardon me for being repetitive), again for you, the majority of Muslim leaders accept at face value those Koranic edicts just mentioned.

While there are some commonalities for these religions, the way in which people today view those commonalities is actually what separates them.

I do appreciate your comments. I didn't mean to impugn anyone on this board. However, your accusation of bigotry is particularly offensive and certainly unfounded.

 

[peachgirl]

Bush is not a neo-Nazi, nor is he a dictator, nor is he a genocidal pathological maniac. The juxtaposition of the Kerry and Dukakis photograph is perfectly valid. Although juxtaposed, the images are not manipulated photoshop products nor the rendering of some twisted anti-Democrat. Both photographs (of Kerry and Dukakis) were photo-ops that were cleared by each of their own campaigns. Each are legitimate images neither falsified or altered.

That is the most ridiculous rationalization I've read in a long time.

These are images whose target audience is neither learned nor sophisticated.

Oh, I see, the Kerry/Dukakis photo is targeted to the learned and sophisticated members of the right?

foundation of Christianity, which Bush is an adherent of, is built upon peace and forgiveness,

Actually, more people have been killed in the name of the Christian religion than any other cause in history.

Have you read any part of the Koran? There are many many passages in there that promote the things she states

Have you ever read the Bible? There are many many passages in there that promote the things she states.

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I wish other people would quit speaking and thinking for me. You leave the impression that I said that was the only reason and I did not.

I said they were qualified but that their talent wasn't the only reason bush appointed them. And I don't assume it. The article posted on this thread is proof that they expect black appointments to prove something to the black community.

hmm.. the only part I left out was qualified/talent. The rest , while maybe not your exact words, is still true.

Nowhere in the article does it say that Bush said (he Bush himself) did it for political reasons. But you did.

Your words....

If Bush's intent isn't to score points by appointing black people, then why is it even ever mentioned? Of course Bush isn't going to say it in so many words, but that's his hope; that appointing a black person to an important position will show black voters just how "inclusive" he is.

and

That was absolutely my intent. I have great respect for Colin Powell and believe both he and Condoleeza Rice are amazingly intelligent, capable people. They absolutely deserved their appointments, but that doesn't mean there weren't other reasons besides their qualifications that caused Bush to choose them.

and finally

The problem with Bush is he wants to use their race for political purposes.

 

[WillyJ]

Okay Kendra, you've made statements you say are based on facts while claiming people who disagree with rarely do. . so lets see.

Post the verses from the Koran that say to kill and enslave the Jews you base your statements on here. . .


I'm sure since you've studied it it won't take you long. . . I'll wait.

Oh and while you're at it. . . I'd be interested in also hearing which teachings of Jesus you can cite that say something like dropping naplam and cluster bombs on little children is okay. .

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by peachgirl
That is the most ridiculous rationalization I've read in a long time.

Peachgirl, the Bush =Hitler images are propaganda. the Kerry-Dukakis juxtaposed image, because they are based on real actual legitimate photos, is nothing more than excellent advertising. One makes onw laugh or chuckle. One makes one feel rage.

Oh, I see, the Kerry/Dukakis photo is targeted to the learned and sophisticated members of the right?

The target audience of the Kerry-Dukakis photo is a much wider and general audience than the fringe loony Michael Moore type leftist.

Actually, more people have been killed in the name of the Christian religion than any other cause in history.

Thank whatever God you believe in--or not--that the Christian religion has forsaken conquest and militancy. Unfortunately for us, and the entire world, Islam has not learned the same lessons that Christianity has. At this point, modern Islam is where Christianity was about 500 years ago.

Have you ever read the Bible? There are many many passages in there that promote the things she states.

As stated before, holy books have much content that people today no longer take literally. Unfortunately, too many in the Muslim world take the violent messages of the Koran literally.

The fact that all the terrorists of 9-11 are Muslim and the bulk of the terrorists who fight against us are also Muslim demands, from any reasonable and rational person, an investigation into the nature of Islam. That is all I am trying to do--understand my enemy.

Avoidance of the truth, dismissal of facts, and condemnation of the messengers of those facts, is neither politically nor intellectually defensible.

Morality could also be added to this list but, for the sake of brevity, I'll exclude it.

 

[Teejay32]

I haven't read the Koran, but I've read the Bible, and since then anyone who has claimed to be a Bible literalist has made me very nervous. It would be (maybe already has been) very easy for some charismatic people, with a very hard-line interpretation of Biblical passages, to convince other people that they're in a holy war against Muslims. That it's their duty to fight it. I think that's what we're seeing in Muslim countries now.

Originally posted by peachgirl
Oh, I see, the Kerry/Dukakis photo is targeted to the learned and sophisticated members of the right?

It must be, because I don't get it.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by WillyJ
Kendra,

How nice of you to lecture everyone else about "emotional responses" and infer that you and your ilk are the only ones who base their opinons on facts. . . and then post such an ignorant and bigoted and false statement about Islam?


You do know that Islam, Christianity, and Judaism all share a common foundation in the Old Testament, right?

No, obviously not. . . perhaps you're the one who could some time in the library..

Apparently, your understanding of Islam is at a deeper, more comprehensive level, than bin Laden and the other terrorist organizations and States.

 

[peachgirl]

The rest , while maybe not your exact words, is still true.

No, it's not true. What I said was he wants to make political hay out of the fact that these 2 happen to be black. I've never said that their race was his only reason for appointing them. Smart as you are, I do believe I know better than you what I think.


You claim that because I can't post an exact quote from Bush saying that he want to use the fact that Powell and Rice are black for political purposes, that it's not true.

Yet, you say you can't give exact quotes on what you claim I say, but it's still true.

Can't have it both ways....

I've already argued the point about the article showing the right's intent to exploit the fact that Rice and Powell are black. There's no point in posting it all again.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by WillyJ
Okay Kendra, you've made statements you say are based on facts while claiming people who disagree with rarely do. . so lets see.

Post the verses from the Koran that say to kill and enslave the Jews you base your statements on here. . .


I'm sure since you've studied it it won't take you long. . . I'll wait.

Oh and while you're at it. . . I'd be interested in also hearing which teachings of Jesus you can cite that say something like dropping naplam and cluster bombs on little children is okay. .

Give me a sec. . .here's to get started. . .I know what I'm talking about. . .Be back in 5 with more. . .
"fight those who do not profess the true faith till they pay the jizya with the hand of hukility.--surrah 9:29

"when we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who hacve the good things in life and yet transgress, so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly--surrah 17:16-17

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by peachgirl
I've already done that....look at the article posted on this thread.

Oh, you mean where you stated it was proof? Sorry but that's just an opinion.

Have you two bothered to look at the picture posted in between each of your posts?

Yea, I saw the one with Kerry and Dukakis. Are you trying to tell me that picture of them (even superimposed togther but real pics of them) are on the same level as someone portraying Bush as Hitler or the Devil? Surely you can't.

And please PM me some of those disgusting pics of Kerry and Edwards. I'd really like to see them to compare.

 

[WillyJ]

Oh, and for the record. . I didn't accuse you of being a bigot Kendra; I said your comment was bigoted.

The definition of bigoted is "blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others".

And taking a many-faceted religion and claiming it is based in nothing but violence. revenge and death is absolutely a bigoted comment. . .

And excuse me for disputing your vast knowledge of the Koran, but it's teachings have much more in common with Judaim and Christianty then "recognizing one God and Abraham". .

Here, these are from the Koran. . see if they look familiar:


1. There is no God except
one God (47:19)

2. There is nothing whatsoever
like unto Him (42:11)

3. Make not God's name an
excuse to your oaths (2:224)

4. Be kind to your parents if one
or both of them attain old age in thy
life, say not a word of contempt nor
repel them but address them in
terms of honor. (17:23)

5. As for the thief, male or female, cut off
his or her hands, but those who repent
After a crime and reform shall be
forgiven by God for God is forgiving
and kind. (5:38 - 39)

6. They invoke a curse of God if
they lie. (24:7) Hide not the
testimony (2:283)

7. If anyone has killed one person it is as
if he had killed the whole mankind (5:32)

8. Do not come near adultery. It is an
indecent deed and a way for other
evils. (17:32)

9, Do good to your parents, relatives and
neighbors. (4:36) Saying of the Prophet
Muhammad (P) "One of the greatest sins
is to have illicit sex with your neighbors wife".

10. When the call for the Friday Prayer is
made, hasten to the remembrance of
God and leave off your business. (62:9)

 

[Kendra17]

disobedient people we utterly destroyedbecause of their inequities, setting up in their place other peoples--surrah 21:11 (this refers to the Muslims taking over the destroyed cities and properties. . .

Look, I can do more. . .if you'd like

Islam sees the world as an open-ended conflict between the Land of Peace (dar al-Islam) and the Land of War (Dar al-Harb). that's considered the most important legacy of Muhammed. Ever since Muhammed's time, Islam has been a permanent challenge to ll non-Muslim politics. . .since they believe there cannot be the Land of Peace until all of the world is Islamic. . .and, you can only get that by Jihad, or Land of War. They are living in the Land of War now.

 

[WillyJ]

Haven't seen a reference to "destroying the Jews" yet Kendra. .

Maybe you didn't take good notes during your studes?


Oh, and the last thing you posted, the "Islam sees the world as. . " thing is not from the Koran- that is called "commentary" or "interpretation".

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by WillyJ
Oh, and for the record. . I didn't accuse you of being a bigot Kendra; I said your comment was bigoted.

The definition of bigoted is "blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others".

And taking a many-faceted religion and claiming it is based in nothing but violence. revenge and death is absolutely a bigoted comment. . .

And excuse me for disputing your vast knowledge of the Koran, but it's teachings have much more in common with Judaim and Christianty then "recognizing one God and Abraham". .

Here, these are from the Koran. . see if they look familiar:


1. There is no God except
one God (47:19)

2. There is nothing whatsoever
like unto Him (42:11)

3. Make not God's name an
excuse to your oaths (2:224)

4. Be kind to your parents if one
or both of them attain old age in thy
life, say not a word of contempt nor
repel them but address them in
terms of honor. (17:23)

5. As for the thief, male or female, cut off
his or her hands, but those who repent
After a crime and reform shall be
forgiven by God for God is forgiving
and kind. (5:38 - 39)

6. They invoke a curse of God if
they lie. (24:7) Hide not the
testimony (2:283)

7. If anyone has killed one person it is as
if he had killed the whole mankind (5:32)

8. Do not come near adultery. It is an
indecent deed and a way for other
evils. (17:32)

9, Do good to your parents, relatives and
neighbors. (4:36) Saying of the Prophet
Muhammad (P) "One of the greatest sins
is to have illicit sex with your neighbors wife".

10. When the call for the Friday Prayer is
made, hasten to the remembrance of
God and leave off your business. (62:9)

If only they lived up to these and thought these were the key passages.

What I mentioned before is the nature of what drives our enemies. To not understand or accept that is dangerous and absurd.

I really don't want to get into a conversation about this--just got done with one with Vernon (Bush is Right). My point was the images.\

I was trying to type too fast before (looked like you copied and pasted). . .I was trying to type humility, and didn't double check.

 

[peachgirl]

the Kerry-Dukakis juxtaposed image, because they are based on real actual legitimate photos, is nothing more than excellent advertising. One makes onw laugh or chuckle. One makes one feel rage.

Rage vs humor would depend upon which side of the fence you sit on. Even with your vast knowledge, I don't believe you can tell others what enrages them vs. what they find humorous.


So, let me see if I have the rules according to Kendra straight. As long as it's a juxtaposed image that is based on real photos it's just excellent advertising and fair game to post?