Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

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tikkipoo said:
As if his vacations are true vacations. Where he gets to turn off his cell phone and everything goes away? Right. Five weeks out of Washington D.C. is all he's getting. People are going to complain about him no matter what he does. I don't blame him a bit for taking the vacation.

YOu are totally correct. He has just changed the scenery not the job!

Furthermore, he has the decency to go somewhere he will not inconvenience others. Unlike his predescessor who tied up the island of Martha's Vineyard and ruined the vacations of those who had planned for them well in advance. Reporters, and secret service infiltrated the Vineyard and hampered those who were visiting in order to accomodate Clinton AND he did it on more than one vacation!! As a matter of fact he is back on the island this week with Hilary. I wonder if he will go to the Black Dog and buy more tee shirts for souveniers such as he gave to Monica.
 
The UK goverment are taking eighty days (80) days holiday even with the threat of terrorist in our country.
 
bsnyder said:
Sorry for the late response....I was "driven by ruthless economic Darwinism" to get some work done. :teeth:

Your saying that Krugman is consistently correct doesn't make that falsehood true either.

If you don't believe me, how about Daniel Okrent's parting assessment on Krugman, before he left the "newspaper of record" as their public editor.



So, I take it you're one of his "acolytes"?

Quotong Okrent? You realize that he was humiliated over that (thee's not too much about Krugman I don't read - I've spent hours reading and writing on those attacks). Okrent is the Public Editor version of Judy Miller

Krugman asked Okrent for back up and everything he threw out there was from Donald Luskin, truly the stupidest man on earth (for instance, Luskin thinks normalizing growth rates for inflation is a dastardly Democratic deception and also thinks that you can't measure econometrics based on statistical smaple sizes). In each instance, the Luskin/Okrent "attack" was eviscerated. Look it up. Brad DeLong has most of it

Some more intelligent economics savvy Righties (they do exist), have tried to rescue Okrent by showing how it is possible that he was right through other examples he didn't even know about. They don't show that any of their theoretical examples are actually probable, just that PKs modifiers are theoretically too broad. Some attack.

So yes, I am an acolyte. The attack on Krugman is attack on intellect and truth. He was a staffer on Reagan's CEA under Feldstein, rapped Robert Reich as an idiot. He is just repulsed by the idiotic Supply Side Satanomics stuff peddled today by the powerful. He was awarded the Clark Medal as the World's most brilliant under 40 economist, but Okrent and righties in general go by Luskin, a college dropout that thinks Supply Side is economics (he doesn't even know the Austrian brand).

Even outside the economics sphere, his writings of the dissapearing middle class are aesthetically beautiful and resonant. He is the lone voice of reason in today's evil economics framing, the constant cries of the oppression of the 39.6% marginal rate and what it does to winters in Aspen
 

Bella the Ball 360 said:
YOu are totally correct. He has just changed the scenery not the job!

Furthermore, he has the decency to go somewhere he will not inconvenience others. Unlike his predescessor who tied up the island of Martha's Vineyard and ruined the vacations of those who had planned for them well in advance. Reporters, and secret service infiltrated the Vineyard and hampered those who were visiting in order to accomodate Clinton AND he did it on more than one vacation!! As a matter of fact he is back on the island this week with Hilary. I wonder if he will go to the Black Dog and buy more tee shirts for souveniers such as he gave to Monica.

Ding, ding, ding, ding............we have a winner here.

It all Clinton's fault.

Just as an FYI, I live in SW Florida. I love Boca Grande and Boca Grande is plenty inconvenienced by Bush 41 when he visits here. So what?
 
toto2 said:
What is wrong with the french model ?

They have 1 to 1 1/2 hour lunch break , they dont need to go shopping at midnight , they often have 3 weeks to a month vacation when they start ,they are not running around to go this and that ... and they have a pretty good productivity level , without the stress !

"France, for example, enjoys a statutory minimum of 25 paid vacation days. Add in holidays, and the total can push the number above six weeks. In the U.S., there is no statutory minimum for vacation days or holidays. Paid time off is a matter of agreement between an employer and an employee, and on average is significantly lower than in Europe.

On the flipside, the French pay for their plentiful time off in lower annual income. "The French have 30% less income than the Americans, but correspondingly more time free for spending with their families or on holiday travel," said Paul Swaim, an economist at the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. He adds that American workers may be paying a significant price in diminished life quality due to the number of long hours logged in certain occupations and the "24/7 economy." "

"Some economists say because French workers put in overall less time, they perform better than workers in other countries. The problem thus is not lack of productivity, but the amount of hours worked."


French Choice
Krugman reaches for a silver lining among the shards of France’s failing economy.



According to Paul Krugman's New York Times column Friday, "there's a lot to be said for the French choice" — the choice to live in a decaying welfare state with no growth, no jobs, and no future, but plenty of free time on your hands.


It's not so bad in France, claims America's most dangerous liberal pundit. It's a "highly productive" nation, he says. Oh yeah? Its average real GDP growth since 1991 has been 1.8% per year, compared to 3.1% for the United States. Its GDP per capita is lower than all but the poorest four U.S. states — lower even than Alabama, a state Krugman nastily described the week before last as being populated by people too poorly educated to work in automobile factories.

But Krugman claims that's "mainly a matter of choice." He says it's because the French have chosen to spend less time working, and more time at leisure. At least he's right about the leisure — France is about the most leisurely nation there is. The average French worker worked 1,441 hours last year — while his U.S. counterpart worked 1,824 hours. The average French worker took seven weeks off in vacation and holidays — his U.S. counterpart took less than four.

But all that leisure isn't really a choice. If the French wanted to work more, they couldn't — the French economy just isn't producing any jobs. The French unemployment rate in May was a catastrophic 9.8%, and that's actually better than the average over the last 15 years.

Over that period, the French unemployment rate has run, on average 4.9% higher than the U.S. rate. Following his "disturbing habit of shaping, slicing and selectively citing numbers," Krugman lies about that in Friday's column, saying it's been "about four percentage points higher." And Krugman lies by omission when he neglects to mention the most tragic aspect of France's unemployment picture: More than 41% of the unemployed have been out of work for more than a year.

Krugman minimizes the whole matter by saying nothing more than that it's "a real problem." How very differently he has dealt with unemployment in the United States on George W. Bush's watch. With unemployment here coming out of the 2001 recession never getting anywhere near French levels, Krugman still hasn't stopped whining about “the anxiety and humiliation" and "the indignity and financial hardship" of it.

Even with all that unemployment, the French jobs picture is worse than it seems. What Krugman calls the "choice" to work less is, in fact, a case of the employed being underemployed. When the economy can't produce more work for them to do, they couldn't work more than their 1,441 hours a year if they wanted to.

Until recently it was a matter of law. In 1998, powerful unions pressured France's socialist government into mandating a 35-hour work week, under the doctrine of "work less, work all." The first part of that has been a success — people are working "less." The second part has been a miserable failure — "all" are not working. It's gotten so bad that last March France's general assembly voted to, in effect, dismantle the law by allowing up to 13 hours of overtime. It remains to be seen if that will make any difference.

In the meantime, Krugman rationalizes it away as a matter of "family values" — deliberately mocking the slogan of some American conservatives. He says members of the typical "French family are compensated for their lower income with much more time together," and that France is "extremely supportive of the family as an institution."

Let's talk about that "lower income." Krugman Truth Squad member Bruce Bartlett points to a report by the European consulting firm Timbro that found that total private consumption per capita in France is about half that of the U.S. The average French family has a lower standard of living than Americans living below the poverty level. Impoverished Americans have 16% more dwelling space per capita than the average French; the American poor are more likely to have a car, a dishwasher, a microwave oven, a personal computer, and a clothes drier.

So now we know what French families are doing with all that extra time together — they're crouching in cramped living quarters doing household labor. And, by the way, we can guess what they're not doing. The French birth rate is so low that its current population isn't even replacing itself.

Are the French as happy with their "choice" as Krugman thinks they are? New Krugman Truth Squad member Tino Sanandaji on the Truck and Barter blog points to a Harris Poll that says they're not. When asked if you are "very satisfied...with the life you lead" only 18% of Frenchmen said yes, compared to 58% of Americans. It turns out that the French aren't even all that wild about the families they spend so much time with instead of working. Sanandaji points to a Pew Foundation survey showing that only 43% of Frenchmen are "very satisfied" with their family life, compared to 67% of Americans.

Why has Krugman mounted such an absurd defense of the failing French economy? It's a matter of first principles — he describes himself as an "unabashed defender of the welfare state." So that keeps him both from wanting to admit how bad things are in the French workers' paradise and from understanding why. The root cause is one that Krugman can never acknowledge — France's crushing tax burden. In fact, the differences between France's and the U.S.'s tax burdens are nearly perfectly proportional to the differences in hours worked.

Also, at the moment, the most important item on Krugman's Leftist agenda is socialized medicine — and he would like Americans to believe that if we imitate France's model, we can get what he calls their "excellent health care." And if we trash our economy in the process like France did, don't worry about it — they're "highly productive," and "French workers spend more time with their families."

Oh, and about that "excellent health care." I seem to remember something from about two years ago, when about 15,000 elderly people in France died in a heat wave. That's more than five times as many as were killed in the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. And why did it happen? In part, because most French households are too poor to afford air conditioners. But more importantly, those people died because so many doctors were on vacation.

Hey — it was their "choice."

— Donald Luskin is chief investment officer of Trend Macrolytics LLC, an independent economics and investment-research firm..
 
sodaseller said:
Quotong Okrent? You realize that he was humiliated over that (thee's not too much about Krugman I don't read - I've spent hours reading and writing on those attacks).

There's not too much about (or by) Krugman I don't read either.

But I'm not an acolyte. Of him, or Luskin.

And "humiliation" is in the eye of the beholder. How's Krugman's newspaper doing these days in terms of circulation?
 
This ought to do wonders for the reputation of Krugman's employer:

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU AUG 04, 2005 11:35:09 ET XXXXX

NY TIMES INVESTIGATES ADOPTION RECORDS OF SUPREME COURT NOMINEE'S CHILDREN

**Exclusive**

The NEW YORK TIMES is looking into the adoption records of the children of Supreme Court Nominee John G. Roberts, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The TIMES has investigative reporter Glen Justice hot on the case to investigate the status of adoption records of Judge Roberts’ two young children, Josie age 5 and Jack age 4, a top source reveals.

Judge Roberts and his wife Jane adopted the children when they each were infants.

Both children were adopted from Latin America.

A TIMES insider claims the look into the adoption papers are part of the paper's "standard background check."

Roberts’ young son Jack delighted millions of Americans during his father’s Supreme Court nomination announcement ceremony when he wouldn’t stop dancing while the President and his father spoke to a national television audience.

Previously the WASHINGTON POST Style section had published a story criticizing the outfits Mrs. Roberts had them wear at the announcement ceremony.

One top Washington official with knowledge of the NEW YORK TIMES action declared: “Trying to pry into the lives of the Roberts’ family like this is despicable. Children’s lives should be off limits. The TIMES is putting politics over fundamental decency.”

One top Republican official when told of the situation was incredulous. “This can’t possibly be true?”

Developing...

Sickening!
 
bsnyder said:
This ought to do wonders for the reputation of Krugman's employer:



Sickening!

The stupidest man on earth speaks - more proof that he has richly deserved that moniker is. Note the analytical rigor in his approach
According to Paul Krugman's New York Times column Friday, "there's a lot to be said for the French choice" — the choice to live in a decaying welfare statewith no growth, no jobs, and no future, but plenty of free time on your hands.


It's not so bad in France, claims America's most dangerous liberal pundit.

But here he exposes Krugman's claim - " It's a "highly productive" nation, he says"

Luskin eviscerates that by showing that GDP per capita and aggregate GDP in France is low.


Oh yeah? Its average real GDP growth since 1991 has been 1.8% per year, compared to 3.1% for the United States. Its GDP per capita is lower than all but the poorest four U.S. states — lower even than Alabama, a state Krugman nastily described the week before last as being populated by people too poorly educated to work in automobile factories.

Brilliant! Except that Krugman measured GDP per hour worked!!!

First things first: given all the bad-mouthing the French receive, you may be surprised that I describe their society as "productive." Yet according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, productivity in France - G.D.P. per hour worked - is actually a bit higher than in the United States.

It's true that France's G.D.P. per person is well below that of the United States. But that's because French workers spend more time with their families.
So Luskin disproves Krugman's statement that "France's G.D.P. per person is well below that of the United States" by showing that "Its GDP per capita is lower than all but the poorest four U.S. states". Caught him lying, did ya Don? See, if you actually understand the issues instead of just being a cut and paster, you would realize that you just proved Krugman's point. But then, if you understood, you wouldn't make the arguments you do.


And BTW, Luskin's supposed "gotcha" was the whole point of Krugman's thesis - that the French have a lower standard of living but work far less as a proportion!! Luskin writes for rubes, and it works. His definition of productivity doesn't consider time spent as a relevant variable. Are there really people that stupid? Yes - Luskin and his readers.

This is paradigmatic. Luskin attacks an straw man and confirms the truth of Krugman's point, and the rubes cheer!

And there's a good reason that Krugman attacks the job growth and unemployment numbers here. That's because of how Bush has sold his sops to the wealthy - The "American Jobs Creation Act of 2004", the "Jobs & Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003", the "The Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002". See a pattern? Orwellianism in action - it's "opposite man" as Jon Stewart says. He justifies his signature initiative as based on creating jobs, then decries how unfair it is to be judged by that metric. Of course, that's not as good as the Orwellianism around his first cut, which, during the campaign, was badly needed to cool down the overheating economy - government surpluses were TOO LARGE. Then when the economy starts going south, it just so happens that his tax cut for the wealthy is also the very best solution to the opposite problem!!!

Just to compound his stupidity, Luskin throws in a Ratzingerism - they won't reproduce!! Way to go Don! Guess what the correlation is the exact opposite of what you argue - number of children are negatively correlated with income. Why he throws in that nonsensical point is anyone's guess
So now we know what French families are doing with all that extra time together — they're crouching in cramped living quarters doing household labor. And, by the way, we can guess what they're not doing. The French birth rate is so low that its current population isn't even replacing itself.

And I love your argument that Krugman is somehow tainted by the Times' sleaze while simultaneously relying on Dan Okrent, whose actually in management there. With logic like that, you too could be a Donald Luskin.
 
sodaseller said:
His definition of productivity doesn't consider time spent as a relevant variable.


Let's see....5 hours less per week, but I give up my standard of living for that of the average Frenchman. No thanks.

And I don't think you'd get many takers here in the U.S, willing to move to France. Sure, they'd take more time off, but not at that trade off.

So how relevant IS it, as a variable?
 
sodaseller said:
And there's a good reason that Krugman attacks the job growth and unemployment numbers here. That's because of how Bush has sold his sops to the wealthy - The "American Jobs Creation Act of 2004", the "Jobs & Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003", the "The Job Creation and Worker Assistance Act of 2002". See a pattern? Orwellianism in action - it's "opposite man" as Jon Stewart says. He justifies his signature initiative as based on creating jobs, then decries how unfair it is to be judged by that metric. Of course, that's not as good as the Orwellianism around his first cut, which, during the campaign, was badly needed to cool down the overheating economy - government surpluses were TOO LARGE. Then when the economy starts going south, it just so happens that his tax cut for the wealthy is also the very best solution to the opposite problem!!!

Where in this particular column did Krugman "attack the job growth and unemployment numbers here."
 
tikkipoo said:
As if his vacations are true vacations. Where he gets to turn off his cell phone and everything goes away? Right. Five weeks out of Washington D.C. is all he's getting. People are going to complain about him no matter what he does. I don't blame him a bit for taking the vacation.


Thanks! Just what I was thinking.

As if any of you who are mad could actually spend five weeks in Washington with those vultures we call elected officials, as opposed to five years (if we go by the liberal media numbers).
 
ThAnswr said:
Ding, ding, ding, ding............we have a winner here.

It all Clinton's fault.

Just as an FYI, I live in SW Florida. I love Boca Grande and Boca Grande is plenty inconvenienced by Bush 41 when he visits here. So what?
Funny because I was actually looking through the thread searching for the Clinton is at fault post. I just KNEW that somehow where he took vacation ruined people's lives somehow. :rotfl:
 
A unique burden

"The public censured the Commander-in-Chief for the bloodshed, for this seemingly endless war. More and more politicians and journalists, Republicans as well as Democrats, called his administration incompetent. Military failures produced demands for peace negotiations. And the President was roundly condemned for curtailing civil liberties."

Sound familiar? But the president in question (the quotation has been altered slightly to conceal this) is not George W. Bush but Abraham Lincoln. The time is not summer 2005 but the spring of 1863. The words are not those of some contemporary columnist but of poet and novelist Daniel Mark Epstein in his beautiful and elegaic book Lincoln and Whitman: Parallel Lives in Civil War Washington.

Epstein's words are a reminder that the job of a president is uniquely hard. It is something to keep in mind when you read snarky articles like the Washington Post's current offering on Bush's August "vacation" in Crawford, Texas. They said the same thing about Ronald Reagan when he chopped wood at his ranch in Santa Barbara County, about Dwight Eisenhower when he played golf at Augusta National or Burning Tree, about Lincoln when he spent evenings at the Soldier's Home in the cool hills to the north of central Washington, D.C. As David Frum points out, Franklin Roosevelt spent two weeks on a fishing vacation in the Caribbean in December 1940.

Roosevelt's speechwriter Robert Sherwood, in his book Roosevelt and Hopkins published in 1948, reports that Roosevelt fished (following the instructions of Ernest Hemingway, with little success), called on the Duke and Duchess of Windsor in the Bahamas (a particularly useless waste of time), read a letter from Winston Churchill (without commenting on it to anyone) and looked through binoculars at Vichy France warships off Martinique. In his press conference at the end of the cruise, "It still seemed that he had spent two weeks in a state of total relaxation and utter indifference toward the prospects of world calamity."

But Roosevelt, the sympathetic Sherwood explained, was thinking all the time. "The 'refueling' process was a vital function for Roosevelt. Nobody that I know of has been able to give any convincing explanation of how it operated. He did not seem to talk much about the subject in hand, or to consult the advice of others, or to 'read up' on it. On this occasion he had Churchill's remarkable letter to provide food for thought; but this-though it was a masterly statement of the problems involved, of which Roosevelt was already quite well aware-presented no key to the solution other than an expression of confidence that 'ways and means will be found.' One can only say that Roosevelt, a creative artist in politics, had put in his time on this cruise evolving the pattern of a masterpiece, and once he could see it clearly in his own mind's eye, he made it quickly and very simply clear to all."

No, George W. Bush is not Lincoln or Roosevelt. But he is president, and he takes his responsibilities very seriously. He is aware constantly-in Washington, at Camp David, in Crawford-that the lives of very many people depend on him, and he tries to live up to his responsibilities. Bush's political opponents and many of his supporters, I think, tend to forget this-tend to ignore the evidence visible on his face that he has aged significantly in office, as Lincoln and Roosevelt aged. His opponents see him as a crafty, cynical, diabolical manueverer, interested only in political gain. I think he carries with him everywhere a crushing burden of responsibility, every bit as serious as those Lincoln and Roosevelt carried. This is a man who, as far as I can tell, had no ambition whatever to be president until his father was defeated for reelection in 1992, and then decided that God had put it in his way to be president, and is trying to do the job as well as he possibly can-knowing that no one can do it perfectly. Think hard about what it would be like to be George W. Bush: not a golden life, I think, but more of a nightmare.

Or think hard, my conservative readers, about what it would have been like to be Bill Clinton in the eight years he was president. Many conservatives see Clinton as a sociopath, a man totally uncaring about the consequences of his actions. I choose to see him differently. We have evidence that Clinton was often pressing for action against Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, understanding that they were a threat. That's evidence that he felt a responsibility to save Americans' lives. He did not fulfill that responsibility as well as he surely wishes now he had, and neither did George W. Bush between January 20 and September 11, 2001. But the burden of responsibility told. This vigorous man who left office at 54 had to undergo heart bypass surgery at 58.

The presidency is a unique burden. Let us not be cavalier about the men (and in the future possibly women) who must bear it.

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/opinion/baroneblog/home.htm
 
Planogirl said:
Funny because I was actually looking through the thread searching for the Clinton is at fault post. I just KNEW that somehow where he took vacation ruined people's lives somehow. :rotfl:

I never had a problem with Clinton taking a vacation either.

One difference, though....at least Bush vacations in a house he actually owns. Clinton always mooched off of someone. :teeth:
 
Does everyone here realize that he is working from Crawford? Do you really think any President gets an actual vacation like the rest of us do?
 
bsnyder said:
Where in this particular column did Krugman "attack the job growth and unemployment numbers here."
It was Luskin that raised that

Krugman minimizes the whole matter by saying nothing more than that it's "a real problem." How very differently he has dealt with unemployment in the United States on George W. Bush's watch. With unemployment here coming out of the 2001 recession never getting anywhere near French levels, Krugman still hasn't stopped whining about “the anxiety and humiliation" and "the indignity and financial hardship" of it.

This is an issue that I have debated with Krugman bashers often

As to home ownership, sure Bush owns a ranch.

Two things. He had family money, plus made $400 million plus by being a politician and getting the eminent domain Texas Stadium issue. Clinton had no family money, and never had a sweetheart deal like that, although he's making some serious money now - good for him.

The other thing - he bought that "ranch" just before decalaring to run in 98. Great for photo ops and the Cincinnatus myth
 
DisneyCowgirl said:
Does everyone here realize that he is working from Crawford? Do you really think any President gets an actual vacation like the rest of us do?

He can take all the vacation he wants as I care, but I think he should not allowed to go to bed any given night until the Majority Leader of the House closes the voting for the evening
 
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