Bush sets record-longest vacation in recent history

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lyeag said:
She had her time with the president. I am glad she thought it brought comfort for a while. She has every right to be angry- her son is dead. That is war.

Let's just imagine if every parent on both sides of the war thought they were entitled to a meeting with Bush whenever they wanted? Really, how realistic is that? The press is jumping all over it because they want to push their side. The Dems are jumping all over it because they can use it for their gain. I feel for her. I really do. Death can bring on a lot of anger no matter what the cause of death is. Placing the blame is part of the grieving process for some people, but this isn't doing her any good.
I agree that her understandable and lamentable grief does not entitle her to an audience with the President, especially not a second time. Nor does respect for her loss require anyone to agree with her assessment of the war.

But I am struck by the parallels to the Schiavo fiasco that transpired months ago. Many but certainly not all conservatives at that time argued in so many words that the Schindlers' grief at the potential loss of their daughter entitled them to essentially fabricate all manner of smears against Michael Schiavo, Judge Greer, or anyone else that opposed them. It is now clear that they knew that what they were saying was blatantly false. Yet it was all justified in the name of a parent's quest - Congress could go in special session, district courts remained open to all hours of the night, and any falsehood, no matter how egregious, could be advanced.

Not sure what that means about her grief and how much coverage it legitimately merits. Just making the observation
 
Although I disagree with the sentiment, I just want to say thank you to lyeag for a respectful post. I've no problem with people disagreeing with this woman or thinking that she is not doing herself any good. But this is the way to do it. No matter what you think of this woman's politics, she gave her child to this war, and deserves more respect than to be disgustingly dismissed as "just another war protester."

So, while I think you're wrong in your conclusion and that Bush should have the guts to see this woman and hear what she has to say, I applaud your post for the respect it shows a grieving mother.
 
From Drudge and the original story from a year ago.... I report, you decide. :teeth:

PROTESTING SOLDIER MOM CHANGED STORY ON BUSH
Mon Aug 08 2005 10:11:07 ET

The mother of a fallen U.S. soldier who is holding a roadside peace vigil near President Bush's ranch -- has dramatically changed her account about what happened when she met the commander-in-chief last summer!

Cindy Sheehan, 48, of Vacaville, Calif., who last year praised Bush for bringing her family the "gift of happiness," took to the nation's TV outlets this weekend to declare how Bush "killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity."

CINDY 2004

THE REPORTER of Vacaville, CA published an account of Cindy Sheehan's visit with the president at Fort Lewis near Seattle on June 24, 2004:

"'I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis,' Cindy said after their meeting. 'I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith.'

"The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

"The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

"For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"'That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together,' Cindy said."

CINDY 2005

Sheehan's current comments are a striking departure.

She vowed on Sunday to continue her protest until she can personally ask Bush: "Why did you kill my son?"

In an interview on CNN, she claimed Bush "acted like it was party" when she met him last year.

"It was -- you know, there was a lot of things said. We wanted to use the time for him to know that he killed an indispensable part of our family and humanity. And we wanted him to look at the pictures of Casey.

"He wouldn't look at the pictures of Casey. He didn't even know Casey's name. He came in the room and the very first thing he said is, 'So who are we honoring here?' He didn't even know Casey's name. He didn't want to hear it. He didn't want to hear anything about Casey. He wouldn't even call him 'him' or 'he.' He called him 'your loved one.'

Every time we tried to talk about Casey and how much we missed him, he would change the subject. And he acted like it was a party.

BLITZER: Like a party? I mean...

SHEEHAN: Yes, he came in very jovial, and like we should be happy that he, our son, died for his misguided policies. He didn't even pretend like somebody...

END

On her current media tour, Sheehan has not been asked to explain her twist on Bush; from praise to damnation!

Developing...

Bush, Sheehans share moments
By David Henson/Staff Writer



Since learning in April that their son, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan, had been killed in Iraq, life has been everything but normal for the Sheehan family of Vacaville.
Casey's parents, Cindy and Patrick, as well as their three children, have attended event after event honoring the soldier both locally and abroad, received countless letters of support and fielded questions from reporters across the country.

"That's the way our whole lives have been since April 4," Patrick said. "It's been surreal."

But none of that prepared the family for the message left on their answering machine last week, inviting them to have a face-to-face meeting with President George W. Bush at Fort Lewis near Seattle.

Surreal soon seemed like an understatement, as the Sheehans - one of 17 families who met Thursday with Bush - were whisked in a matter of days to the Army post and given the VIP treatment from the military. But as their meeting with the president approached, the family was faced with a dilemma as to what to say when faced with Casey's commander-in-chief.

"We haven't been happy with the way the war has been handled," Cindy said. "The president has changed his reasons for being over there every time a reason is proven false or an objective reached."

The 10 minutes of face time with the president could have given the family a chance to vent their frustrations or ask Bush some of the difficult questions they have been asking themselves, such as whether Casey's sacrifice would make the world a safer place.

But in the end, the family decided against such talk, deferring to how they believed Casey would have wanted them to act. In addition, Pat noted that Bush wasn't stumping for votes or trying to gain a political edge for the upcoming election.

"We have a lot of respect for the office of the president, and I have a new respect for him because he was sincere and he didn't have to take the time to meet with us," Pat said.

Sincerity was something Cindy had hoped to find in the meeting. Shortly after Casey died, Bush sent the family a form letter expressing his condolences, and Cindy said she felt it was an impersonal gesture.

"I now know he's sincere about wanting freedom for the Iraqis," Cindy said after their meeting. "I know he's sorry and feels some pain for our loss. And I know he's a man of faith."

The meeting didn't last long, but in their time with Bush, Cindy spoke about Casey and asked the president to make her son's sacrifice count for something. They also spoke of their faith.

While meeting with Bush, as well as Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, was an honor, it was almost a tangent benefit of the trip. The Sheehans said they enjoyed meeting the other families of fallen soldiers, sharing stories, contact information, grief and support.

For some, grief was still visceral and raw, while for others it had melted into the background of their lives, the pain as common as breathing. Cindy said she saw her reflection in the troubled eyes of each.

"It's hard to lose a son," she said. "But we (all) lost a son in the Iraqi war."

The trip had one benefit that none of the Sheehans expected.

For a moment, life returned to the way it was before Casey died. They laughed, joked and bickered playfully as they briefly toured Seattle.

For the first time in 11 weeks, they felt whole again.

"That was the gift the president gave us, the gift of happiness, of being together," Cindy said.

David Henson can be reached at schools@thereporter.com.
 
Normally I'd agree with the side that thinks georgie should take the time to meet with Mrs. Sheehan, but I understand that he hasn't quite finished reading "My Pet Goat" yet and this was a must do for this vacation...Certainly understandable...
pirate:
 

With regard to Ms. Sheehan, I agree that this stunt of hers is misguided. If she really want's to effect change, she needs to get involved in the political process, filthy as that may be, and get down and dirty with the rest of them. Camping out (in Texas no less) is just another way for her to hold on to her grief in her son's absence.

With regard to W's vacation time, I couldn't care less. Someone is always running the country, and I've never been convinced it was W anyway. Sorry to the soldiers in harms way, but I'm not sure that the Commander in Chief holding up in the White House is any consolation to them.
 
:blush: Thanks, but I think more than anything that woman needs prayers, pixie dust, whatever to get her through this. I think it is great that she is putting energy into the Gold Star Mothers for Peace. NO parent wants to think their child died in vain on both sides of the issue.


I don't think Bush is a coward, I think it is more like how do you close the flood gates once they are opened to such requests?
 
Peter Pirate said:
Normally I'd agree with the side that thinks georgie should take the time to meet with Mrs. Sheehan, but I understand that he hasn't quite finished reading "My Pet Goat" yet and this was a must do for this vacation...Certainly understandable...
pirate:

Now that added a lot to the discussion. Nice work PP.
 
lyeag said:
I don't think Bush is a coward, I think it is more like how do you close the flood gates once they are opened to such requests?

You think one woman constitutes "floodgates"...Gold Star Parents for Peace is organizing a march within the next few days to join Mrs. Sheehan. If he can't deal with one grieving parent, how is he going to do when 50 or 100 are outside his gates ? The best thing Bush could do, both morally and politically, is to let the woman in, talk to her away from the cameras, take the tongue lashing he's likely to receive, and let her go on her way. That would be the end of it. If it did turn into something that other parents wanted to do, then it would be more understandable for him to say that he just can't meet with all of them. But this isn't all of them. It's one woman grieving for a son that she feels was lost in vain.

I'm sorry, but yes, hiding out behind his secret service guys comes across as cowardly...in much the same way that attacking a grieving mother from behind the keyboard is cowardly. Unfortunately, this thread has seen it's share of the latter kind of cowardice, which is why I wanted to point out your post.
 
Charade said:
Now that added a lot to the discussion. Nice work PP.
About as much as the posts attacking a grieving mother. :rolleyes: Why not just say that the president can't meet with every parent, particularly one he has already talked with in the past ? Why not just say that, while her grief is understandable, the president has important issues he has to deal with and can't spare the time ? Why must it always be attack, attack, attack with some of you ? Shouldn't humanity trump politics ?
 
He can get a tongue lashing via this woman's comments on TV. She doesn't need to meet with him personally to say what is already saying on TV. She thinks her grief and her needs are more important than anyone elses, which is understandable. But it certainly doesn't mean that everyone else has to agree with her.
 
wvrevy said:
About as much as the posts attacking a grieving mother. :rolleyes: Why not just say that the president can't meet with every parent, particularly one he has already talked with in the past ? Why not just say that, while her grief is understandable, the president has important issues he has to deal with and can't spare the time ? Why must it always be attack, attack, attack with some of you ? Shouldn't humanity trump politics ?


Perhaps. But you need to take a looooooooooooong hard look at those on your side of the room my friend because it's not much different over there. I'm not defending anyone, just pointing out something that should be obvious to all.
 
wvrevy said:
You think one woman constitutes "floodgates"...Gold Star Parents for Peace is organizing a march within the next few days to join Mrs. Sheehan. If he can't deal with one grieving parent, how is he going to do when 50 or 100 are outside his gates ? The best thing Bush could do, both morally and politically, is to let the woman in, talk to her away from the cameras, take the tongue lashing he's likely to receive, and let her go on her way. That would be the end of it. If it did turn into something that other parents wanted to do, then it would be more understandable for him to say that he just can't meet with all of them. But this isn't all of them. It's one woman grieving for a son that she feels was lost in vain.

I'm sorry, but yes, hiding out behind his secret service guys comes across as cowardly...in much the same way that attacking a grieving mother from behind the keyboard is cowardly. Unfortunately, this thread has seen it's share of the latter kind of cowardice, which is why I wanted to point out your post.

What I mean is once one is allowed in, how many more will expect the same access?

Also, if it could be done quietly I would say do it. However, I fear it would not be left at that. The press would demand to know what was said. The press would be waiting for her the minute they could get their cameras in her face. I would fear the circus that would follow. In a perfect world there wouldn't have been any media and she could have seen Bush.
 
Ouch...Boy I got mine. I guess I should have made comment on how the republicans on this board are once again showing themselves to be almost the polar opposite of the compassionate conservatisism that was once the propaganda of this machine.

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lyeag said:
What I mean is once one is allowed in, how many more will expect the same access?

Also, if it could be done quietly I would say do it. However, I fear it would not be left at that. The press would demand to know what was said. The press would be waiting for her the minute they could get their cameras in her face. I would fear the circus that would follow. In a perfect world there wouldn't have been any media and she could have seen Bush.

The single greatest excuse people use not to do something is it might force them to do something else. Simplified: If I do "A", I might be forced to do "B". Maybe so, but so what?

As far a there being a media circus if she were to meet with Bush, again, so what? Politics is media-driven today. If this administration wants to get a point across, check the guests lists on Sunday morning news shows.

And, I don't care what this woman's pov is. I do know one thing: Her son died protecting his mother's right to protest.

Whether or not Bush is a coward, events and history will decide that.
 
ThAnswr said:
The single greatest excuse people use not to do something is it might force them to do something else. Simplified: If I do "A", I might be forced to do "B". Maybe so, but so what?

As far a there being a media circus if she were to meet with Bush, again, so what? Politics is media-driven today. If this administration wants to get a point across, check the guests lists on Sunday morning news shows.

And, I don't care what this woman's pov is. I do know one thing: Her son died protecting his mother's right to protest.

Whether or not Bush is a coward, events and history will decide that.
Her son did die protecting his mother's right to protest, but that didn't include meetings with the president. As long as it is peaceful, she can stay there as long as she wants in my opinion. The media and the Dems are making it a circus at this point.
 
31 Soliders have died while Bush is taking his record breaking vacation. Here is a list of the victims of Bush's war

August 2, 2005 to August 9, 2005

09-Aug-2005
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
08-Aug-2005
US NAME NOT RELEASED YET
07-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Seferino J. Reyna
06-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Chase Johnson Cromley
US Sergeant Brahim J. Jeffcoat
US Specialist Kurt E. Krout
05-Aug-2005
US Sergeant 1st Class Brett E. Walden
US Gunnery Sergeant Terry W. Ball Jr.
US Sergeant 1st Class Robert V. Derenda
04-Aug-2005
US Private 1st Class Nils George Thompson
US Staff Sergeant Chad J. Simon
03-Aug-2005
US Lance Corporal Adam J. Strain
US Specialist Mathew V. Gibbs
US Sergeant 1st Class Charles Houghton Warren
US Specialist Jerry Lewis Ganey Jr.
US Lance Corporal Nicholas William B. Bloem
US Corporal David S. Stewart
US Sergeant Bradley J. Harper
US Lance Corporal Kevin G. Waruinge
US Lance Corporal Grant B. Fraser
US Sergeant Justin F. Hoffman
US Lance Corporal Eric J. Bernholtz
US Lance Corporal Aaron H. Reed
US Corporal David Kenneth J. Kreuter
US Lance Corporal William Brett Wightman
US Lance Corporal Christopher Jenkins Dyer
US Lance Corporal Michael J. Cifuentes
US Lance Corporal Timothy Michael Bell Jr.
US Lance Corporal Edward August Schroeder II
02-Aug-2005
US Petty Officer 1st Class Thomas C. Hull
 
Professor Mouse said:
31 Soliders have died while Bush is taking his record breaking vacation. Here is a list of the victims of Bush's war

Talk about politicizing soldiers deaths. Nice work Kyle.

BTW, how was your trip or are you still on it?
 
lyeag said:
Her son did die protecting his mother's right to protest, but that didn't include meetings with the president. As long as it is peaceful, she can stay there as long as she wants in my opinion. The media and the Dems are making it a circus at this point.

So, when did Sludge become a Democrat?

Btw, the media is doing what the media is supposed to do which is to report on what's going on.
 
ThAnswr said:
Btw, the media is doing what the media is supposed to do which is to report on what's going on.

Of course that's without an agenda...

Yeah right!!!
 
Charade said:
Of course that's without an agenda...

Yeah right!!!

And the agenda is what, John? That a mother of soldier killed in Iraq is camping outside while Bush is vacationing inside. Those are the bare bones facts. Or is it you're afraid it might make Bush look bad? Tough.
 
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