Brokeback Mountain

[janette]

No life style is idealized in this movie, it isn't a happily ever after story. I think one of the differences between it and the Bridges of Madison County is that it shows the devastation also brought to the wives and families of these men who make some very poor choices. I didn't see the movie as a movie about how tolerance would have made it different. Jake had an rosy picture of what could be but he also liked his somewhat cushy life as a tractor salesman. Would he have really been happy on a ranch trying to eek out a living? Ennis had some deep seated issues, even in a more tolerant society it is unlikely that he'd have been comfortable in a openly homosexual relationship. Notice how old and broken he was at the end but based on the story line he would have been about 40yo. There are no winners when people live a lie and it hurts more than just those doing the lying.

Many messages in the movie, I'll see it again when it comes out on DVD.

It also makes you ready for a visit to the Canadian Rockies, just beautiful.

 

[eclectics]

Many want the lines to blurred, so they can push the standards lower. Of course, if we disagree, many say we are being "judgmental."

Cause that's what you are! Sad you can't see that. God does, I suspect. Seems to be a lot of talk from people who haven't even seen the film. Why not start your own thread on the evils of Hollywood and leave this one to the people that actually saw the film and want to discuss it?

 

[Disney Doll]

Oh, its about the price one pays for being "different" and all the "intolerence" and ignorance."

There's a BIG difference between "homosexuality and adultry" versus traditional job roles or mixed race or ethnic couples.

Yes, God loves us unconditionally (and give us rules for our own benefit). He has already stated what is "sin."

Like I said, hard to discuss a movie with someone who hasn't seen it, and pretty much has all the answers, and rolls their eyes at the answers they don't have.

In 1963, when the movie initially "began" there really wasn't that much difference between adultery, traditional job roles or mixed race couples. Again, looking at mixed race couples & traditional job roles through 2006 "eyes", they are now much different than homosexuality or adultery. As a matter-of-fact, traditional job roles and mixed ethinicity couples are a non-issue now, but if you think back to 1963...well, the world was a lot different.

I am glad for you that your world is in such good order, so "black & white, if you will. Hopefully a gray area will never occur in your life. Might be tough for you to reconcile, but I would certainly wish you well with the struggle.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Like I said, hard to discuss a movie with someone who hasn't seen it, and pretty much has all the answers, and rolls their eyes at the answers they don't have.

In 1963, when the movie initially "began" there really wasn't that much difference between adultery, traditional job roles or mixed race couples. Again, looking at mixed race couples & traditional job roles through 2006 "eyes", they are now much different than homosexuality or adultery. As a matter-of-fact, traditional job roles and mixed ethinicity couples are a non-issue now, but if you think back to 1963...well, the world was a lot different.

I am glad for you that your world is in such good order, so "black & white, if you will. Hopefully a gray area will never occur in your life. Might be tough for you to reconcile, but I would certainly wish you well with the struggle.

Based on the numerous detailed posts, I know quite a a bit about the movie. You are the one that is using the words "ignorant" and "intolerant" to defend the movie and then speaking about the "sins" of judgementalism and superiority. Nothing gray about the "sins" homosexuality and adultry. Not a matter of being "different in society" and such people paying a price because of "ignorant" people, as you say.

 

[sotoalf]

Kindly ignore the comedians on the thread who haven't seen the movie, disdain messages put out by the Mainstream Media, yet allow themselves to be swayed by hearsay instead of using their own minds.

 

[Mercy]

Movies like this don't offend me; they sadden me, especially with their "isn't it great that society is becoming much more acceptable of (name a vice)" propaganda.

Joe, ITA... it makes me sad also.

 

[tar heel]

You read some of the comments on this thread and you understand totally why gay teens commit suicide. Can you imagine the devastation of a child hearing someone he loves tell him he's a sinner b/c of something he can't change? One of my best friends from high school was that child. An accomplished musician, A student, the class clown - everyone loved him, but he was totally devastated when he realized he was different and couldn't change who he was no matter how many girls he dated (and he dated plenty). There is nothing in the world he wanted more than to be straight. Fortunately, his suicide attempt was unsuccessful.

As a Christian, selective Bible quoting disgusts me. Let's not eat pork or cheeseburgers, and make sure our long-haired women are separated from the rest of us during their time. Remember sin is all equal in the eyes of God.

 

[dis ms.]

Wow, tar heel! Very well said!

You know, we don't have to respond to people on this thread who want a discussion about what constitutes sin. We can continue to discuss the movie that we saw or want to see.

The people against the very idea of this movie have a right to criticize it. That said, the rest of us have just as much right to see it, discuss it, and *gasp* call it beautiful. I came here for that, not for a sermon. I can get the sermon--and much better, I might add--from my pastor (yep, I'm actually a Christian who liked a movie that featured gay people! )

I say we continue our discussion of the movie. Eventually, when these people see there's no saving us, they'll probably go away...kind of like the two nice young men that recently came to my door with Jehovah's Witness pamphlets.

 

[TnKrBeLlA012]

Movies like this don't offend me; they sadden me, especially with their "isn't it great that society is becoming much more acceptable of (name a vice)" propaganda.[/QUOTE] I totally agree with your comment. Not everything in this world has to be acceptable. Hate has nothing to do with it. As I get older I can see why I am becomming more and more conservative. The morales in this country have gone completly down the drain. I think the movie industry has thrown all this out there to make their agenda correct. Watching two men in a love scene goes way beyond what is right. It almost makes me wonder what will be next? I don't ever want to be forced to except something because it's the popular thing to do.

 

[Disney Doll]

I most wholeheartedly agree that any and everyone has the right to post their opinion.

And I am sincere in my wish that for those of you who live in such "well-ordered" worlds, that nothing ever happens which challenges your "order", such as a gay child, friend, sibling, or any host of other Biblically unaccpetable events. And I would be most impressed with what I assume would be your ability to turn your back on someone you love because being gay is a sin.

Meanwhile, the movie has been pretty soundly discussed, the thread is degenerating into a religious, moralistic, judgemental discussion, the posters who have stuck with it up until this point are obviously running on parrallel roads that aren't going to meet anytime soon.

I wish you all a nice, orderly day, free of sin.

 

[sotoalf]

So let's get back to talking about the film. What Oscar nominations do you expect it will receive tomorrow?

 

[weare6travelers]

You know I have to say if people feel like this movie is a "sin " then simply do not see it. I mean look at all the movies about adultry, drugs, murder etc... but yet people go see them. One movie comes out about "gay cowboys" and people get all up in arms about it. I try not to judge something till I have seen it.

Well said!! I saw the movie over the weekend and loved it. It was a very powerful movie. It was tastefully done and not in any way as gross as some movies protray sex and love in "straight" couples.

 

[krcit]

I saw the movie over the weekend and really liked it although from what I had heard I was expecting to be blown away and I wasn't. I thought the acting was excellent and the scenery was terrific. I'm curious to see the Oscar nominations.

 

[FergieTCat]

I saw the movie over the weekend, and I wasn't impressed. I thought the acting was terrific, but the overall picture was just OK.

I'll be curious to see the Oscars.

 

[DisneyDotty]

You read some of the comments on this thread and you understand totally why gay teens commit suicide. Can you imagine the devastation of a child hearing someone he loves tell him he's a sinner b/c of something he can't change? One of my best friends from high school was that child. An accomplished musician, A student, the class clown - everyone loved him, but he was totally devastated when he realized he was different and couldn't change who he was no matter how many girls he dated (and he dated plenty). There is nothing in the world he wanted more than to be straight. Fortunately, his suicide attempt was unsuccessful.

As a Christian, selective Bible quoting disgusts me. Let's not eat pork or cheeseburgers, and make sure our long-haired women are separated from the rest of us during their time. Remember sin is all equal in the eyes of God.

Now back to the regularly-scheduled discussion:

Watched the SAG awards last night--BB didn't sweep the awards as had been predicted.
I haven't seen Capote yet--but based on what I saw last night it looks like a film worth seeing, as is Crash.
I imagine that BB will be up for some major Oscars.

 

[tar heel]

I liked Brokeback Mountain a lot and have found it a movie that I continue to ponder. I thought it was better than Capote. I could see Walk the Line sneaking in and winning, though. The moralists on this thread, of course, can't see any of those films. I'm not sure which of those lead actors I would vote for --each really became their character. I've not seen Crash -- sure hope it comes back around before Oscar time.

 

[Free4Life11]

The moralists on this thread, of course, can't see any of those films.

Huh?? What was so bad about "Walk the Line." I thought it was an excellent movie.

I haven't seen Capote or Brokebake Mountain, but I'd like to.

 

[dis ms.]

Huh?? What was so bad about "Walk the Line." I thought it was an excellent movie.

I haven't seen it yet, but--from what I know of Johnny Cash--the movie probably tells of his drug use and adultery (with June prior to their marriage). The film is about JC's life, and it was what it was. I still plan to see it!

 

[Free4Life11]

Well there is some drug use, and one implied hook-up, but at the end of the movie they show him going to church

It's a great movie. I plan on getting it on DVD when it comes out!

 

[krcit]

There's sin in just about every movie, just like in real life. If you don't want to see it then don't but I enjoy movies and am capable of watching "sinful' behavior without corrupting my own personal morals.
That said, I haven't seen Capote but am really looking forward to seeing it. I heard Phillip Seymour Hoffman was outstanding as Capote. Crash is out on DVD. I highly recommend it-excellent acting and a very powerful movie about racism. Walk the line was great, I thought. I have a soft spot for Joaquin Phoenix so he's my Oscar hopeful!!