Breaking Dawn Spoilers Thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've loaned my book to my DSis so I can't reference it...but weren't there more wolves at the end??? Were there 12 or 14 now? Who else changed? Do you think the fathers changed?

Also, one thing I failed to mention in my other posts was how much I despised her drinking the blood from what was essentially a sippy cup. I keep picturing my kids sitting at O'Charleys with their little plastic cups with lids and bendy straws drinking blood. I know it was easier for her not to see or smell it but sheesh...

There were quite a few extra wolves- Bella figured they were younger kids from the reservation- I'm thinking 16 or so- but I can't recall.

Were you thinking Renesseme drinking from a sippy cup? I'm thinking they made a cup out of something strong enough to withstand her powerful teeth. Bella just had a cup with a straw- I was thinking throw on a piece of masking tape and chill it and she could pretend it was a daqueri lol
 
No, I was thinking about Bella, though I can't remember exactly what they gave her. I just pictured a plastic cup with a snap on lid (so she wouldn't see and smell the blood) and a straw.

I wonder if it was a color-change straw? Or maybe one bent into the shape of a cute little heart or something? ;)
 
I wonder if Nessie used a bottle or sippy cup to drink blood... O_o
Speaking of which, I'm glad she can live out of blood or human food.
 

That's fine...but then they should've turned into something OTHER than wolves. A bear, and eagle, a giant bunny. Anything but a wolf.

But they explained in the book ( I forget who said it ) that it was the form their ancestors choose way back when. They were actually shape-shifters and could have taken any form. She did say they changed into actual wolves. I never thought of them as werewolves. But then I was a tad too focuesd on Edward!! :love:
 
But they explained in the book ( I forget who said it ) that it was the form their ancestors choose way back when. They were actually shape-shifters and could have taken any form. She did say they changed into actual wolves. I never thought of them as werewolves. But then I was a tad too focuesd on Edward!! :love:

Yeah, I got that. but she spent THREE novels calling them werewolves, and then magically during the very end of the last book they aren't TRUE werewolves? Seemed odd to me.

It felt like SM ran out of steam at the end of BD and was just trying to get to the happy, squishy,unicorns and rainbows everybody-is-happy ending.

IMO of course.
 
I've read the first three books and will read BD soon but have been visiting here and reading the spoilers. I am one of those people who can read the last few pages and it doesn't spoil the book for me.

What I want from any book is to be taken somewhere I have never been before. I want to be challenged and teased and rewarded. As a middle-aged woman who loves all things vampiric, I am sure I will enjoy this book all the more for having visited it through all your minds. I'll let you know when I finally get to read it. :thumbsup2
 
I think this story wasn't about Edward and Bella, at least I didn't think so. Edward and Bella's story was finished when they got married. This story was about Bella reaching complete adulthood and finally being ready to become a vampire, and this only happened when she got to be a mother. The whole book was about Bella and Renesmee's story, not Edward and Bella's, I think a lot of people are disliking it because of that.
In the end...
Twilight was about finding love, New Moon was about losing love, Eclipse was about choosing love and Breaking Dawn was about protecting love.
Wow just reading that makes me a little :sad1: Beautifully said!
 
Ok - I hope this is ok to post ;) First let me say this is not directed at anyone on this thread. I actually haven't been able to read all the posts here ( I plan to today;) ) This just sums up how I feel after reading many reviews on many different boards about Breaking Dawn. I am in the group of disappointed readers on this one.

I will try to sum up alittle of what is going on in the minds of those of us who did not care for BD. I know I can't speak for everyone but for me it is plain and simple we are grieving - we are grieving for a ending that we will never get. We feel that we did not get closure and we are disappointed.

Just like the ones that enjoyed the book ,I too have to admit I ask myself how some can love this book and I wonder did we read the same book. I am glad that others enjoyed it but please do not tell me that I should reread it and I must not have understood it the first time.( people are saying this to others and it is really insulting) If I am being completely honest it read like a fanfiction in my opinion. I have read alot of fanfiction and that it how this book was for me. I also wondered if maybe Steph had too much on her plate with the Host and BD being released so close to each other. BD just was not in the same league for me as the previous books. When I finished BD I was disappointed, upset, sad and sick to my stomach. I was very nervous about coming online and admitting that I did not like this book. I was mad at myself for not liking this book. It is a huge mix of emotions. I was also upset because if this is our ending it took away some of the magic that the first 3 books held for me. Do I still love them - of course but I am going through a loss right now.

Now about the reviews coming in at different places. One thing that did make me feel better is that I saw others did not like this book so then I knew it wasn't just me. After I finished the book I knew emotions would be running very high on both sides. I am sad to see the ones that disliked it being rude and defensive and bashing Steph and I am really upset at the ones that love it saying things like: Well you must not understand, It must have been too complex for those that do not understand or Your not a true fan of Steph because how could you not like it - These statements are insulting in my mind of anyone who does not love this book and that will cause emotions to run high on both sides. No one should tell anyone else how they should or should not feel after reading a book. Everyone's opinions if expressed constructively and not bashing should be allowed to be posted. That is the key, fans need to post their opinions on the book not their opinions on what others think because no matter what you say you are not going to change the others persons opinion.

I do know that I had planned on letting my daughter who will be 12 in Oct to start the Twilight series this fall but because of BD she will have to wait until she is 14. She is a very avid reader also - she has reread all the HP books 3 times and is anxious to start the Twilight series but she will have to wait alittle longer because of some of the content of BD.

All that said - I am still a Stephenie fan. I will continue to read her work. As an avid reader I have come to realize that not everything an author writes is going to be a good read for me. I have read some disappointing books from other authors that I have loved and while disappointed I always made sure to give any new books that they wrote a chance. It does not mean that I am not a true fan if I do not care for BD. Everyone seems to be getting defensive on both sides and some are fanatic and think that anyone who does not like the book and posts their disappointment is being critical of Stephenie and that is so not true. Even though I did not love BD I still love Steph:)
 
I know I can't speak for everyone but for me it is plain and simple we are grieving - we are grieving for a ending that we will never get. We feel that we did not get closure and we are disappointed.

Just wondering... what would have been an ending that would have given you the closure that you needed?
 
One thing I was disappointed in, and maybe I just missed it, was that there was no description of how Edward looked on his wedding day. We know what Bella was wearing and what Charlie was wearing, but I wanted a detailed description of the tuxedo that Edward was wearing. I'm assuming that he'd have had a bow tie, to bring it back to the 1920s but did he wear tails? Did he wear black or white? Grey, like Charlie?

If you tell me I missed it, I'll go back and reread about the wedding.
 
Stephenie answered some questions at last night's BD concert in Chicago. Here's the transcript:

S: First of all, thank you guys so much, you’re totally awesome. Justin is so amazing. And I wanted to say that when I was going through all of the questions that some of you submitted before the show, I had a really hard time cutting them because I have been waiting for a year to answer these questions.

Electra: Question #1 comes from Tori. Tori wants to know, was the final version of Breaking Dawn how you originally planned it or were there other plot lines you created and this was just the one that made the cut?

S: “I have known the ending of this series since about October, 2003. So it’s actually been a long time coming. The rough draft of Breaking Dawn, which you guys know is Forever Dawn, I was finished around February of 2004 and I really stuck to the original plan because once I got there, it seemed like the only possible ending. So really there weren’t other plotlines that I was choosing from, this was always the way it was meant to happen.”

Electra: Now how long have you had Renesme in your mind? Jacqueline _____ says Bella getting pregnant just threw her for a loop. I loved it, don’t get me wrong, I still had the ‘what?’ (reading from Jacqueline’s question)

S: Um, actually, Nessie was one of the reasons that Breaking Dawn exists. When I first started working with an editor, I had Twilight and I showed them what I was working on for Forever Dawn and they said ‘you know, we’d really like to keep Bella in high school for a little bit longer, develop that more, keep it more YA.’ And I said ‘Ok, there are some interesting stories to do in there. I first started working on it and they said ‘we’d just really just like it to be three books, and end with Eclipse. Can you make an ending that you’re happy with?’ And I said ‘no, I can’t make an ending that I’m happy with.’ This was a very hard fought battle and I was fighting for Nessie the whole time. She was a character that I was not going to allow her to be destroyed. She had to exist. So, she was in my Forever Dawn.

Electra: Will there be more movies to follow the Twilight Saga?

S: I thought I better throw in one movie question aside from ‘what is Robert Pattinson’s phone number’, which I don’t have. That is still undecided. I can say that I’ve had such a good experience working on Twilight that I would be open for it and hope that we can get that going.

Electra: Leah wants to know, and I do too, how is it physically possible for a male vampire to get someone pregnant? This question directly responds to being told that vampires can’t have babies. When you were first asked the question, did you not think that it specifically applied to Bella and Edward’s ability to have children together?

S: There were several questions along this line, as you might imagine. I picked this one specifically because I want you to imagine for the last year, me going online and reading all of these ‘Stephenie said this quote quote…’ that I never said. Um, there was quite a bit of mis-quoting going on and I was always, always very careful about how I answered this question because of course, I knew Renesme was on the way and I didn’t want to spoil that and take away some of the excitement of something new happening so I tried to avoid that as much as possible, but when I did I always focused on female vampires because physiologically speaking, there’s a lot of change that goes on when you’re pregnant with a child that couldn’t happen. So when I answered that question, that was all I ever really commented on. It is physically possible [sic: for males vampires], I don’t want to go into it in too much detail. I think what’s going to happen, it’s a whole long thing. I’m guessing, I think it’s going to have to show up somewhere in like the Twilight Saga guide that’s going to come out later.

Speaking of additional questions, I specifically pulled out two questions to show you what we’re dealing with here. The first question I have, I like the use of quotation marks “Stephenie, in Breaking Dawn I was hoping for more details about their first time. I was wondering why you didn’t “flesh” it out more.” The second question: ‘Why do Bella and Edward become so sex crazed in Breaking Dawn?’ It’s a fine line to walk and I wrote what I was comfortable with and what I wanted to see in the story. Obviously, you can’t please everybody all the time, so I wrote what was good. Yes, obviously so I wrote that and tried to do what I felt like was truest to the story.

Electra: Did James hunt a real Child of the Moon and is that what Victoria thought Seth was?

S: Yes, that’s exactly what happened. James was looking for a challenge and he did track down one of the few remaining Children of the Moon. So that was Victoria’s first instinctual thought, but if you really look at Seth closely, you would realize that was not really what was going on. I had fun putting that hint in Eclipse.

Electra: This one comes from Candice, she came from Kansas City to be here tonight. ‘Why did you choose the name Renesme other than what was listed in the book and will we hear more of her story? PS You’re awesome.’

S: Thank you. It’s funny because I have seen some reactions to the name Renesme and people are like ‘what is that?’ And it’s funny, I’ve been thinking the name for so long, it seems completely normal to me. But when I chose it, I really wanted something that no one else had. Because there’s no one else like Nessie and I wanted her to have something very deep and original. Note: lots of ‘awwws’ here.

Electra: Who was Embry’s dad?

S: That question was in there like 17 times. Now I know that a lot of people are mad when I say that I’m not going to say, because you know what? I’m not even sure that I know. I know that sounds crazy, but really there are secrets that my characters keep from even me. And I had that experience with Rosalie actually when I first started working on Twilight. I had no idea she didn’t like Bella and her character was really flat and sort of half way through I figured out ‘Oh, she hates Bella!’ and then she was easier to write. So sometimes my characters don’t tell me everything. I have my suspicions.

E: Joanna from California, she gets two questions. One: Why did Bella keep her baby when she knew she was dying?

S: That was just real serious and had a different tone from the others (referring to the question) and the only thing I can answer to that I have three children and I know what I felt like with each one of those children and if someone had told me ‘if you carry this child to term, you will die’, I would have done it anyway. That’s how I am. My experience as a mother is reflected in that part of the story.

E: Joanna, second question ‘Will Jacob ever rejoin the pack?’

S: I loved that she had two very different questions and the Jacob one’s an interesting one. Actually, no, because once you’re an alpha, there’s no going back from that. So now we have (fades here)

E: Liz from Milwaukee would like to know ‘Will Jacob stay immortal with Renesme when she reaches maturity?’

S: I do believe there’s some concern about that and the lovely thing about their relationship is that Nessie apparently will not age past you know, like around 18, 20. And Jacob, as long as he keeps turning into a werewolf regularly, will always be the same as well so they’re good to go.

E: (some name here, too much screaming) She wants to know what’s the meaning of the cover?

S: Yay for ? That’s a really good question. So this cover has kind of two things going on. One is a metaphor for the entire series because you have Bella going from being the weakest player on the board to being the most powerful one. So that’s the main meaning, that’s what I wanted to have on there. Then I also the feeling of a chess game because I knew that the end of the story was not going to be a great big huge battle scene. This was a court scene. This was maneuvering and having your plans and I thought that was really suited to chess so that was another reason I like that metaphor.

E: Liz Waters says ‘at Comic Con, you mentioned that your favorite Edward and Bella moment was book four and for obvious reasons, at that point, you couldn’t share what it was. So now, can you please fill us in?’

S: I should think probably most of you could guess what scene it is. And you’re wrong! (laughing) It’s the last two pages of the book. That was it, when Edward really sees how Bella feels about him, there’s just no match for that. (lots of screaming!)

E: Brandy….wants to know ‘Why was the date on Alice’s tombstone the same date that she was admitted to the asylum?’

S: That’s actually a really really long story, so I wouldn’t have pulled it because I don’t have time to get into it, it takes me several pages of writing to get through it. But, as I wanted to mention that there are things like that question will be answered in the Twilight Guide and other backstories.

E: Why was Bella able to skip the newborn vampire stage?

S: If you think about all the other vampires that have been created, you have the Cullens. None of them had a lot of time to think about this or were even asked, they were on their death beds and they awakened a vampire with no preparation at all. Then you have vampires like the Volturi, who become vampires and immediately expect to prey on humans because that’s what vampires do. Bella’s kind of unique in that she had a couple of years to think about what she wanted to be and she was going to do that. So she had way more preparation than anybody. And she was already a stubborn girl.

E: This is a very important question from Cassie ‘What color is Bella’s ____?’ (from a attendee up front this was clarified to be her car)

S: Isn’t this a little obvious, because….wanted it to be red? (couldn’t hear the main point of question or the answer, too much screaming)

E: Jordan….’Was there any significance to Alice’s use of the Merchant of Venice? PS: You’re gorgeous’

S: That’s not fair because she wrote the card before she saw me tonight so she didn’t know. There actually was significance to using The Merchant of Venice. When I decided to use A Midsummer Night’s Dream, it was because I knew that the love triangle that was so painful for everyone involved was going to be flipped around so that everyone was happy. With The Merchant of Venice, that was a little hint again about the end of the story, that we were going to have a confrontation that was solved by wit and planning, so that was kind of a clue for the end of the story.

E: Jenny had this question: ‘Bella was so relatable to girls in the first three books (faded here) in the fourth book, she seems different. How do you expect your teen readers to relate?’

S: This is one of the reasons why the Twilight Saga is four books long. I found also that when Bella became a vampire, her relatability was kind of lost. I enjoyed very much writing about her experiences because it was something really fabulous to imagine, but all along, at any point, I could have stepped in and been Bella, because you know she was just this clumsy human girl and I could do what she could do. But then when she was a vampire, all of the sudden she was this amazing creature with all of these powers and I couldn’t do that anymore. So I did feel like the book was going to have to end from her point of view after we got to that point. And I did want to do a very thorough job of settling her and letting you see what that was like but at the same time I knew she wasn’t going to be that teenager that we could all relate to anymore.

E: What are your intentions for the future of the Cullen clan?

S: Ok, I wrote that one. I did that because there were a gazillion ‘are you going to write about Alice and Jasper?’ ‘Are you going to write all of the books from Edward’s perspective?’ Right now, obviously, Midnight Sun has to happen. (lots of screaming) I’m glad that makes you happy. After that, I actually have a lot of other thing I’d like to work on. My whole life is not vampires, surprisingly enough and I kind of want to get back to my ghosts and my time travel and my mermaids, there’s a lot I want to do. And the Host, yes, (lots of cheers) I’ve got a lot of outlining going on with that so while I am not planning on doing anything right now, I may get back to the Cullens. There are several storylines that I find really interesting. I don’t think I can spend a ton of time on characters that I feel like I’ve had a chance to really explore already. I would have to say, the most likely narrators going forward in the future are Nessie and Leah.
 
YES!!!!

Thank you so much! I have been dying for Steph to do one of these sessions.
It always adds so much for me to hear her explanation of things.

I can't wait for the Twilight Guide to come out!

**according to Amazon it comes out Nov. 11..for those interested.**
OK..scratch that..I just checked B&N and it says Dec. 30???
 
Caribbeanprincess, thanks for posting that. The one question I had that she answered was what her favorite Edward/Bella moment was - since she couldn't answer it at Comic-con. So I'm gald someone asked it, and she answered it.

Interesting questions and answers overall. Thanks!
 
Thank you so much for posting that Q & A! I was waiting to hear what SM had to say and it was great.

I can't wait for that guide book either! On the back of BD it says it will be out Dec. 30th. Then we have Midnight Sun!! Yeah!!

I thought it was interesting and cool that she mentioned Leah as one of the narrators for future stories! I knew Nessie would be one too.
 
This list is from a thread on the Amazon forums. It had me laughing out loud. I'm not a hater of the book, but I found them funny anyway.


Breaking Dawn T-Shirt Ideas:

1. "breaking dawn...***?!"

2. BREAKING DAWN: aka, how stephenie helped me end my obsession.

3. (FRONT) Renee+Esmee=Renesmee (BACK) DUMBEST NAME EVER

4. My uterus is vamp proof!

5. Imprint this!

6. What freakin' werewolf ate all my Doritos?

7. I bit a pillow. Or two.

9. Team ***!?!

10. "Friends don't let friends read breaking dawn"

11. Stand back, I have a shield and I am not afraid to use it!

12. "LionXLamb = LOCK NESS MONSTER!?"

13. Goodbye Jacob, my brother, my son?

14. Breaking Dawn: The Musical coming soon to a theatre near you

15. Nessie: One reason to invest in birth control

16. lock ness monster xing

17. Editor at lunch

18. A picture of a uterus, with a pair of those wind-up chattery teeth beside it. The caption: "Spitters are Quitters."

19. I wanted to be bitten by Edward. But instead I was bitten by the Loch Ness Monster.

20. Lock ness monster? must have been something in the water.

21. placenta. It's what's for dinner.

22. Team France - I hate them all.

23. My uterus is vamp proof!

24. Imprint this!

25. Epic Fail (With the jacket cover on it)

26. Got sac?

27. Jacob my son

28. Bella + Edward= ***?

29. I'll sing to you all night to make the bad book go away.

30. What, Renesmee? I thought you were a FAKE spoiler!

31. BREAKING DOWN - I took it back.
 

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