Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[salmoneous]

In the meantime, do you get the impression Republicans realize that more Americans agree with Obama on the issues and the country's direction that agree with McCain? And they are desperately looking for something - anything! - to change the subject from what the candidates will do as president? Personally, that's what I'm going to use to decide who do vote for.

Wow - I go to bed and folks make a whole lot of posts to prove my point.

Note to Republicans - good luck trying to make the election about something other than whether McCain or Obama will do the better job as president.

 

[Fitswimmer]

how is Obama saying he's a "devout" Christain who prays to Jesus every night when he's out on the stump any different?

It's very different because Obama is not interested in making America a "Christian nation" or making laws based on any religion.

Frankly, I believe if the electorate wasn't so full of people who will not under any circumstances vote for a non-Christian, he would have never felt the need to say that. Same with Mitt Romney, and John McCain. The only one who seems to be getting a pass on the whole religion litmus test is Hillary.

 

[Olaf]

Sorry-but that's not the quesition I asked.

If the president of my company, my boss, my Doctor, or my Accountant publically stated that he holds a lunatic as his moral compass, then yes, I would look elsewhere.

Obama is running for President of this country. His moral compass is out there saying "God D*** America"! This doesn't have squat to do with religion.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

There has been a lot of outrage about this and how the influence of his pastor will affect his ability to do his job. If a Pastor's influence is something that one considers when voting for President, then logically it should be a consideration when one hires an accountant, a Doctor or chooses a place to work. These people have much more of a direct impact on a person's daily life than the President-so I would think if it's important to know and consider the President's choice in churches and pastors, it would even be MORE important to know about these people.

If it's not, then please help me understand why it's not.

thats not logical at all....Obama has already admitted he's a "devout" Christian who "prays to Jesus every night" and that Wright is his "spiritual" advisor. To equate the influence of spirituality and religion over decision making as being the same as going to the doctor is a gross oversimplification, and you're being religous I'm sure you can recognize that. Think about the weight of the decisions a President has to make every day, when you have major "impacting" decisions to make how do you go about doing so? Of course your conscience, your belief system, your sense of right and wrong are going to be THE determining factor, especially when you're an admitted devout Christian...so for the "philosophy" behind his Church and the influence of a Pastor of TWENTY years to somehow be irrelevant in Obama's decision making and judgement is just bunk. Religion and spirituality permeate all aspects of your life, when you have a colonoscopy or get your taxes done (both equally painful ) thats checked when you leave the office.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

It's very different because Obama is not interested in making America a "Christian nation" or making laws based on any religion.

Frankly, I believe if the electorate wasn't so full of people who will not under any circumstances vote for a non-Christian, he would have never felt the need to say that. Same with Mitt Romney, and John McCain. The only one who seems to be getting a pass on the whole religion litmus test is Hillary.

Neither is John McCain...I do not care if Obama worships Snickers Bars, its about how his deep involvement in a particular church and its out of the main stream racist philosophy would impact his decision making and how it speaks to his judgement.

I for one wouldn't stand in the pulpit of a church that so deeply disrepects half of my heritage.

 

[DawnCt1]

Do all of you know what church the president of your company attends, your boss, your Doctor, your Accountant? Given the logic in this and the other threads, I would think that information would be very important to know about people that have that much of a direct impact on your life.

There is so correlation between those professions/jobs you listed and the president of the United States. They are not making decisions about the security or the direction of the country. If I am dissatisfied with the job they are doing, regardless of religious affiliation or in spite of religious affiliation, I can find another job, doctor or accountant. With a POTUS, who has far left wing associates, one wonders what his true ideology is. If Wright were the pastor in our church pulpit, I would have walked out. If that type of preaching continued, I would find another church. One needs to look at why he has been so comfortable there for 20 years, why they chose that particular pastor to marrying them. Clearly that pastor has a message that they embrace, at least on some level.

 

[4cruisin]

He hasn't denounced it (in those words as far as I know - still trying to look) but I remember either someone asking him or one of his staffers if he shares those views and he said no, when his Pastor came up in discussions early on in the campaign.

Then why would you stay and support a minister and church that you don't agree with?

 

[Fitswimmer]

If the president of my company, my boss, my Doctor, or my Accountant publically stated that he holds a lunatic as his moral compass, then yes, I would look elsewhere.

Obama is running for President of this country. His moral compass is out there saying "God D*** America"! This doesn't have squat to do with religion.

Shouldn't that be part of your research of an accountant, Doctor or your boss? Again, these people have great influence on your life! What if one of them already goes to a church with a pastor who says things you disagree with? What if they're Catholic? Those priests did some terrible things to children. What if they go to Ted Haggard's church or to one with a Pastor like him who decrys homosexuality, yet engages in it? What about a church where a Pastor has embezzelled funds? What if they go to a Mosque where an Imam said that America was responsible for 9-11? What if they worship at a Temple that professes to support Isreal first and foremost?

You could already have one of these people in your life and you wouldn't even know it....

 

[Tomader]

Inflammatory in nature!? Obama has referred to this guy as his "moral compass"!!! Moral compass!!! What are we supposed to read into that? I wouldn't sit in this man's congregation week after week, year after year, listening to that garbage. Think about all the children listening to that tripe. No wonder Michelle Obama isn't proud of her country.

 

[Olaf]

Shouldn't that be part of your research of an accountant, Doctor or your boss?

Doctor, accountant, boss. Hmmmm, on the other side President of the United States. Your analogy is a little silly.

And you still don't want to talk about Obama and his moral compass. Can't imagine why.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Do all of you know what church the president of your company attends, your boss, your Doctor, your Accountant? Given the logic in this and the other threads, I would think that information would be very important to know about people that have that much of a direct impact on your life.

President of company and boss - don't have them right now.
Doctor and accountant - I know the affiliation and that is something that does play a part in who they are. They are not our religion, but the one they are is one that is very honest.

 

[Fitswimmer]

There is so correlation between those professions/jobs you listed and the president of the United States. They are not making decisions about the security or the direction of the country. If I am dissatisfied with the job they are doing, regardless of religious affiliation or in spite of religious affiliation, I can find another job, doctor or accountant. With a POTUS, who has far left wing associates, one wonders what his true ideology is. If Wright were the pastor in our church pulpit, I would have walked out. If that type of preaching continued, I would find another church. One needs to look at why he has been so comfortable there for 20 years, why they chose that particular pastor to marrying them. Clearly that pastor has a message that they embrace, at least on some level.

When I vote for President I'm hiring someone to do a job. I have had people work for me who attended black churches, should I have refused them employment because their pastor might have said similar things to what Obama's pastor says? After all, that might affect the way they do their job, right? I've also had Muslims working for me. What if their Imam said bad things about America? Should I have investigated that to make sure that they did not support that message and then demand that they leave that Mosque?

 

[Fitswimmer]

Doctor, accountant, boss. Hmmmm, on the other side President of the United States. Your analogy is a little silly.

And you still don't want to talk about Obama and his moral compass. Can't imagine why.

I'm not a person who places ANY importance on the religion of a Presidential candidate, an MD, an accountant or a boss. I don't care if they go, where they go or what their Pastor says.

I'm comfortable with the consistency of my position.

 

[alldiz]

OK I was able to finally see it......Just exactly which part of this is not 100% true....You may not like hearing it, but it is the hard truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good for him!!!!!!!!!

Yes what part of that was not true

Some people are so afraid of black people getting power.....like they will decide to take away all the "white mans" money and give it to all the blacks.
Pleeeese.....I am looking forward to my new Black....legally blind governor to
show these "good ole boys" how it is done.
Kerri

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

When I vote for President I'm hiring someone to do a job. I have had people work for me who attended black churches, should I have refused them employment because their pastor might have said similar things to what Obama's pastor says? After all, that might affect the way they do their job, right? I've also had Muslims working for me. What if their Imam said bad things about America? Should I have investigated that to make sure that they did not support that message and then demand that they leave that Mosque?

They are not running the country. Their decision making does not necessairly impact whether my child lives or dies, the President does. The office of the presidency is not a 40 hour a week job at ABC company, and someone's judgement, perceptions, beliefs, and decision making ought to be scrutinized to the highest degree. Obama does not have a lot in the way of experience, so what else are we supposed to judge him on?

Obama has himself a real pickle here, truth is I think the guy does agree with a lot of what Wright has to say...otherwise why elevate him to the level of moral compass and not come out yourself and completely decry what he has said? why have him marry you? attend his chruch for twenty years? baptize your children? The puzzle pieces are all coming together now on Obama, and I for one am deathly afriaid of the overall picture

 

[DawnCt1]

When I vote for President I'm hiring someone to do a job. I have had people work for me who attended black churches, should I have refused them employment because their pastor might have said similar things to what Obama's pastor says? After all, that might affect the way they do their job, right? I've also had Muslims working for me. What if their Imam said bad things about America? Should I have investigated that to make sure that they did not support that message and then demand that they leave that Mosque?

When you vote for a president, you are doing more than hiring someone "to do a job", you are electing someone who represents your country, is charged with the security of that country and is not an "employee at will". You can't "fire" him for four years if you are dissatisfied. If one has far left friends, attends far left churches and privately embraces a far left ideology, (we know that he has the number one liberal voting record in the Senate), then it is reasonable to assume that his compass is a far left one. If an employee is not doing the job you expect, he can be gone, regardless of his religion and ideology. This is not a reasonable comparison.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

I'm not a person who places ANY importance on the religion of a Presidential candidate, an MD, an accountant or a boss. I don't care if they go, where they go or what their Pastor says.

I'm comfortable with the consistency of my position.

well sticking your head in the sand and pretending that a self labeled "devout" religious person is immune to the influence of his Church when it comes to judgment and decision making is consistent, but its not a *good* idea IMO.

 

[denisenh]

It is clear what this pastor is all about. A person doesn't frequent a church for 20 years to hear a pastor that he or she does not admire and agree with.

Obama clearly admires and agrees with this pastor. Plain and simple. Don't be dumb about it.

Either thats ok with you or it isn't, so you vote for him or you don't.

It seems more and more that this election is not about choosing a person that will be the most powerful person in the country if not the world.

Its about wanting "your" candidate" to win, like a game, with little thought given to what "your" candidate is about or the big picture.

Stop being stubborn, for the sake of America. Thats how GW got re-elected, I am sure of it.

(and I'd feel the same if the pastor went on and on with an anti black people message. There is just no need for it. He could bring people together by accepting and embracing everyone but he chooses to be a divider and apparently Obama chooses to like that.)

 

[alldiz]

There is so correlation between those professions/jobs you listed and the president of the United States. They are not making decisions about the security or the direction of the country. If I am dissatisfied with the job they are doing, regardless of religious affiliation or in spite of religious affiliation, I can find another job, doctor or accountant. With a POTUS, who has far left wing associates, one wonders what his true ideology is. If Wright were the pastor in our church pulpit, I would have walked out. If that type of preaching continued, I would find another church. One needs to look at why he has been so comfortable there for 20 years, why they chose that particular pastor to marrying them. Clearly that pastor has a message that they embrace, at least on some level.

Of course he has a message they embrace.....did you notice all the black people in the audience.....and yes they are still predjudiced against....I don't know why you find it offensive that they noticed.
Kerri

 

[Laura]

Yes what part of that was not true

Exactly! Seriously, it's so laughable that people think that blacks aren't pulled over by cops for the color of their skin in this country, or cabs pass them by, or are still called the "n" word by bigots. Well, it would be laughable if it weren't so sad.

Now, no clergy should be promoting a candidate in a house of worship like that--it isn't right. But honestly, apart from that, what's the big deal everybody? From what I was reading, I thought I was going to get a completely different message from that video.