Bombshell Obama Pastor Video

[kribit]

This isn't about religion or hypocracy. Its about one church Obama chose to belong to, and one racist, anti-American pastor he chose to seek guidance from. I don't know why you keep bringing Catholic Priests into this- if one of them had been accused of something, I'd hope people would distance themselves from them too. A few of you seem to be really grasping at straws here to defend him...

I thought the same thing. Last I checked a Catholic wasn't running for president. The reference to the abuse in the Catholic church is totally irrelevant to this.

Obama is running for president....his pastor is a racist. That should be a huge concern for his supporters.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I thought the same thing. Last I checked a Catholic wasn't running for president. The reference to the abuse in the Catholic church is totally irrelevant to this.

Obama is running for president....his pastor is a racist.

Well the great big word that this conservative Neanderthal learned which applies to the current tactic being used by some posters is "obfuscation"

 

[SwedishMeatball]

Well the great big word that this conservative Neanderthal learned which applies to the current tactic being used by some posters is "obfuscation"

I was thinking subterfuge, but I like yours too.

 

[DawnCt1]

I thought the same thing. Last I checked a Catholic wasn't running for president. The reference to the abuse in the Catholic church is totally irrelevant to this.

Obama is running for president....his pastor is a racist. That should be a huge concern for his supporters.

Obama has a couple of interesting friends; Rezko, Bill Ayers (Weatherman) and his wife Bernadine Dohrn.

 

[DISUNC]

Well, my heart goes out to the hundreds of boys that were abused by priests. I certainly hope there aren't any more church attenders in THAT faith....After all, anyone who continues to attend are showing their approval and support.

There is a huge difference here.

If I went to Mass and the Priest was in a rage SUPPORTING Sexual Child Abuse....NOT only would I head out the door as fast as possible( after I pop him in the kisser.)

The last thing I would do is call him my Spiritual Advisor, and promote the fact that he inspires me, and refer to him as a silly old Uncle!!!!!!

 

[DISUNC]

Audacity - ironically enough.

Here, check this out:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...chi-070121-relig_wright,0,4595906,print.story

What I found interesting in this article is they mention..."Wright again bucked convention by announcing plans to retire in May 2008 "

However, Wright retired right before the Primaries earlier this year!

 

[DISUNC]

Obama has a couple of interesting friends; Rezko, Bill Ayers (Weatherman) and his wife Bernadine Dohrn.

Just to point out here...We have yet to hear from any of Obamas friends, people he helped, former clients, associates...etc.

To be honest I havent visited McCains website! (I know you are shocked) But On Hillary's website there is a section where all these real people talk about what she did for them, how she helped them...etc.

Obama has nothing of the kind. I really am looking for a friend, co worker, someone he had helped 5 years ago, 10 years ago...to come out and support him! Someone who has nothing to gain by saying nice things about Obama! Someone out there must have KNOWN him back in the day!

In other words...If he is a man of the people...Where are are the people?

 

[CPT Tripss]

If you're not willing to take an intelligent look into the significance of Obama's faith -how he has practiced it, been guided by it, and may be informed in the future by it -then there is really nothing to be learned. Not everything can be reduced to elementary syllogisms, followed by a smiley, and dismissed in the usual course of gotcha politics.

Point well taken . . . even if gotcha politics is most of what gets played.

How do you propose we deal with what he says in his books and his speeches and in his votes that is at odds with what Pastor Wright said in some speeches? Do we surmise that he is in full agreement with the pastor? Or do we look at how he has voted on issues? Or do we look at the larger denomination. Trinity is not a "one off" church and the UCC has a pretty long American history.

Trinity says it is:
A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.

Do we accept that?

I don't presume that every Catholic is full agreement with the Holy See. Aren't there disagreements (based on votes) what has led some Bishops to state certain elected officials should be denied Communion.

What do we make of another candidate "checking off" names on some list. Does he respect those names for their beliefs and public statements? Or is it just a cynical attempt to win more votes.

Just which parts of UCC and the statements about the congregation are the parts that Sen Obama derives his faith from? I don't presume to know. But I wonder if it is that this about the denomination . . . "Many UCC churches trace their founding to the early 1600s, when the Pilgrims and Puritans first came to America. These Congregationalists, as they became known, sought religious independence from persecuting political authorities in Europe. They believed firmly in local church autonomy, covenantal church life, personal piety and the priesthood of all believers.
Today, the UCC holds firmly to these early religious tenets. Often recognized for its historical and contemporary social justice commitments, its present-day approach to worship, however, might be considered traditional by most standards." http://www.ucc.org/news/thomas-denounces-smear-1.html

Or this - UCC-supported Churches for Middle East Peace: 'Terrorism never acceptable or justifiable' . . . http://www.ucc.org/news/ucc-supported-churches-for.html

Or this - Illinois churches ministering in response to NIU shootings . . . http://www.ucc.org/news/illinois-churches-ministering.html

Or this - Seeking an end to millenniums-old feud, UCC announces advertising outreach to scientists . . . http://www.ucc.org/news/seeking-an-end-to.html

Or even this - Prayer journals, dedicated at Amistad Chapel, now heading to UCC chaplains in Iraq . . . http://www.ucc.org/news/prayer-journals-dedicated-at.html

just wondering.

 

[DisneyMomOK]

Was this Michelle Obama's church prior to her marriage to Senator Obama? Did he become a member by default? I am amazed the Senator does not feel this racist diatribe disrespectful of his mother and her family.

 

[KikiFan]

There's no way I buy that Obama is a racist. I am more then willing to assume that Obama does not agree with everything this minister said. I'm even willing to concede there is some truth to the minister's sermons.

What really troubles me though, is more the judgement issue. He says he wants to unite us - how is it possible that he doesn't see how offensive these sermons are to people outside that church? How can Obama not see that alligning himself with, calling this man a spiritual mentor, and having him as part of his campaign taint Obama himself? It's really poor judgement imo.

For me, it's all part of my original issue with Obama. He has some wonderful ideas - great vision - but I don't think he's got the political savvy and experience to accomplish it -yet. I don't think he's even got enough political savvy to survive the election.

 

[Charade]

Do you honestly think Obama shares his pastor's views that America is responsible for 9/11?

I don't see that as all that far fetched. There are many other Americans that feel that way and I'm not talking about the conspiracy theory (the US government did it) nutjobs.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

Prejudiced maybe. Wielding enough power to systematically subjugate and disenfranchise whites? Hardly.

racism=The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


I'd say suggesting Hillary Clinton is less qualified to be President because she ain't been called no "racial expletive" fits the bill pretty well.

 

[Fitswimmer]

a) Obama has already said those views don't represent his in early 2007 (and any sane person can tell you that)
b) he is no longer the pastor of Obama's church


Religion has NO place in the government and in politics. Obama has already distanced himself from those views, they don't represent his beliefs, and in no way should Obama be held accountable for what his old pastor has said when they clearly aren't indicative of Obama's viewpoint. Instead of focusing on the war in Iraq, getting us out of the recession, making healthcare affordable, and making education affordable, we are instead bringing up divisive videos that should have no place in the campaign and which do not represent a candidate's views. If Obama was Catholic, do you think we'd be having a problem if his Priest was involved in a child abuse scandal? In that regard, should parishioners of a church whose Priest has been involved in a scandal, be held accountable for their Priest's actions? Of course not. The Priest should be individually held accountable for his actions as should this Pastor be accountable for his words.

If you want to have an intelligent discussion on the issues, I'm game, but bringing up this video and somehow suggesting Obama shares these views is ridiculous.

This is the second thread on this and I'm sure we'll see more. We've also been over the church's mission statement more than once. For some people religion is a make or break issue.

One of the main reasons I left the Republican party was the entanglement of religion and politics. Once more, with feeling: RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN POLITICS. Romney should NEVER have had to make a speech to reassure the evangelicals that he was just like them. McCain shouldn't have to be sucking up to people like John Hagee and Ron Parsley-he was right when he called those kind of people "agents of intolerance" and I wish he had stuck with that.

I don't care where Obama goes to church or if he goes. I don't care where Hillary goes to church or if she goes. I care how they're going to get us out of Iraq, how they're going to help the middle and lower classes survive the recession, how they're going to fix healthcare and how they interpret the Constitution.

I'm not voting for McCain because of his stance on war and his admitted lack of economic knowledge-but just to be fair-I don't care where or if he goes to church either.

 

[DawnCt1]

In other words...If he is a man of the people...Where are are the people?

Obama's close advisor said that he had "a friendly relationship with Bill Ayers", who as late as 2001 said "that he didn't do enough". Bill Ayers is famous for his domestic terrorist activities, bombing the Pentagon. Now we all know that Obama had no part in any of that, but he attends a church with a radical message, he befriends Ayers and yet claims he can unite the country. I believe that he has a far left agenda. That doesn't make him a "bad person", it makes him someone I don't want to vote for.

 

[Charade]

1) Obama's church affirms Black Liberation Theology. See this link for their talking points [scroll to last bulleted point] http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

FWIW, I actually understand and am in solidarity to some extent with this theology myself. However I reject any and all political manifestations of it.

2) Black Liberation Theology contains an inherent understanding that spirituality IS NOT INDIVIDUALISTIC. This is especially significant about the discussion about Obama because that in itself makes it intellectually and spiritually dishonest to his own beliefs to separate him from the beliefs and practices of his church and pastor. They are part of the same spiritual team with a common vision and common goals, working under a shared mission statement. Read this link for a good starter-level article on Black Liberation Theology. I'll post a snip of the part I refer to...

http://www.wfu.edu/~matthetl/perspectives/twentyseven.html



3) Black Liberation Theology contains the idea that white people are Satan. Don't believe me? Read the words of prominent theologian James Cone (from same article linked above)



Having posted all this, I still do not think Trinity UCC is a hateful church -nor do I think Obama or Wright are hateful men. But if someone wants me to consider going into the voting booth and electing them to be my president I need to know why this separatist agenda has been the lynchpin of their spiritual lives for the past couple of decades.

For all the talk we do on here about how religion doesn't matter, this is why it matters to me in this case. This is the theology that has driven Obama to where he is today. This is what inspired him (I read it in his own book) and continues to do so today. I am all for justice, but is this arguably racist agenda the one I want on my president's mind and desk?

Good post.

 

[Olaf]

Yes and I believe that Wright is responsible for the title of "Audacity of Hope." From what I understand, Obama has said many things Wright have said were inflammatory in nature but that he doesn't view him in a political light - he has said he seems him more as a family member that he disagrees with on occasion. Me personally, I probably wouldn't even associate with someone who holds those views, so its an area in which I disagree with the Senator if I'm being honest.

However, I still don't believe for a second, Obama shares those views, and I think his public record stands by my view.

Inflammatory in nature!? Obama has referred to this guy as his "moral compass"!!! Moral compass!!! What are we supposed to read into that? I wouldn't sit in this man's congregation week after week, year after year, listening to that garbage. Think about all the children listening to that tripe. No wonder Michelle Obama isn't proud of her country.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Do all of you know what church the president of your company attends, your boss, your Doctor, your Accountant? Given the logic in this and the other threads, I would think that information would be very important to know about people that have that much of a direct impact on your life.

 

[Olaf]

Do all of you know what church the president of your company attends, your boss, your Doctor, your Accountant? Given the logic in this and the other threads, I would think that information would be very important to know about people that have that much of a direct impact on your life.

It's Obama who has brought this man front and center, both in his book and his comments about him. He calls him his moral compass. Pull the religion aspect out it. Since Obama has such a paltry record to run on, people are left looking at his skimpy writings, and with whom he associates to try and figure out what he's about.

 

[Fitswimmer]

It's Obama who has brought this man front and center, both in his book and his comments about him. He calls him his moral compass. Pull the religion aspect out it. Since Obama has such a paltry record to run on, people are left looking his at skimpy writings, and with whom he associates to try and figure out what he's about.

Sorry-but that's not the quesition I asked.

There has been a lot of outrage about this and how the influence of his pastor will affect his ability to do his job. If a Pastor's influence is something that one considers when voting for President, then logically it should be a consideration when one hires an accountant, a Doctor or chooses a place to work. These people have much more of a direct impact on a person's daily life than the President-so I would think if it's important to know and consider the President's choice in churches and pastors, it would even be MORE important to know about these people.

If it's not, then please help me understand why it's not.

 

[StrollPatrolMom]

One of the main reasons I left the Republican party was the entanglement of religion and politics. Once more, with feeling: RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN POLITICS. Romney should NEVER have had to make a speech to reassure the evangelicals that he was just like them. McCain shouldn't have to be sucking up to people like John Hagee and Ron Parsley-he was right when he called those kind of people "agents of intolerance" and I wish he had stuck with that.
.

how is Obama saying he's a "devout" Christain who prays to Jesus every night when he's out on the stump any different?