Bode Miller.....thoughts? (olympic skier)some spoilers, read at own risk...

cardaway said:
Usually I agree, but I have to side with the folks watching live on this one.

Maybe there should be a thread so people can discuss things as they happen and another for people waiting for NBC.

As somebody who isn't watching any of NBC's stuff, I want to know when it happens.
I was having a bit of fun. I really don't care. I thought I would add to the livliness of the thread. I wouldn't have kept reading if i really cared. :teeth:
 
padams said:
Spoiler (and the title of the posts says spoiler, read at your own risk):


















I heard just now on the radio that Bode straddled a gate in the slalom portion of the combined event so he is disqualified, and out of that race.

I have to admit, I hid a muffled giggle when I heard that, mean, I know... :teeth:

Oh, I added the spoiler warning to the title because some of us, (including me) are posting news before others have seen it.

You know me, couldn't wait to get my digs in! ;) :lmao:
 
I know I am bringing this thread from far , but this journalist has an interesting take on the Bode Miller case. It is long , but very interresting !

" The Assigned Role of Bode Miller: Icon of American Presumption
by Pierre Tristam


I must admit that I'd never heard of U.S. skier Bode Miller until Newsweek featured his ice-capaded face on its Jan. 23 cover. That was about the time when Hamas -- the Palestinian Taliban -- won its Super G (for goring) victory in the Palestinian elections; when Iraq ratified its Allah-is-great election results, giving Iranian-backed thugs in a pretend-parliament the satisfaction of establishing a theocracy under America's nose; when President Bush was at his East German best in a daily defense of his lawless domestic spying program; when Samuel Alito -- Robert Bork's last laugh -- was confirmed to the Supreme Court by a Senate almost as relevant as Baghdad's parliament; and when Canada, that forgotten province to the north of American indifference, elected its most conservative prime minister in 12 years.

How, amid all this, Bode Miller ends up on the cover of a supposedly serious national newsweekly explains, I think, why Bode Miller -- occasional drunkard, eternal individualist, anti-team-player, corporate commodity, media punching bag and supreme Olympic loser Bode Miller -- was the only true American hero of the Turin Winter Games. He lived up to the meaning of America in the world's eyes these days: Presumptuous, self-absorbed, ignorant, loutish, incompetent.

I'm not saying that those are Miller's actual traits (or those of most Americans, for that matter). For the most part they're not. Looking past his media make-up, Miller turns out to be a complex individual who packs a more interesting persona in his left ski on an off day than most athletes manage in their entire life. He recognizes that his silver medal at the Salt Lake games in 2002 was a miracle. He warned that it was fine with him if he never repeated. He nails his sport's promoters' true brand -- "rich, cocky, wicked conceited, super-right-wing Republicans." He justly ridicules sports' hypocritical rules about performance-enhancing drugs, or that athletes should somehow be "role" models, a notion as idiotic as deeming Homer's warriors the gold standard of valor. Miller treats the media the way the media treat him, with a mixture of contempt and pandering. He wants to be his own man, not just as a cliche. But ultimately he's just one guy in a culture that idealizes individualism as long as no one actually practices it. If you're not a "team player" -- the corporate euphemism for that other management school known as Leninism -- you're a traitor.

Whether he wanted it or not -- he mostly didn't -- Miller was assigned a role: To be the games' American blockbuster. He failed, partly by choice, partly because his talent peaked sometime in 2005, mostly because those who saw him as some sort of Great American Hope refuse to see a world of competing strengths beyond American borders. They're blaming his failures on his drinking and partying. They should blame it on their blindness. There's more to the world than U.S.-anointed heroes, than U.S. narratives of success. The focus on Bode Miller's failures became a fixation at the games in proportion to the lack of focus on the more absorbing stories of the Olympics. Some truly great ones involved Americans (Apolo Anton Ohno is both a Greek and American god in my book). Most, in games where Americans won less than 10 percent of the medals, did not. Put more simply: there's more to the world than the United States, though most of the time you wouldn't know it from reading "serious" magazines like Newsweek or watching network television.

It's one of those paradoxes of the age of globalism. On one hand, the media sermonize about the wealth of nations enabled by globalism, the worth of individuals enabled by multiculturalism and the rights of peoples enabled by American-styled democracy. On the other hand the worship of the parochial and the narcissistic overwhelms everything else. It's what leads to national newsmagazines in print or on TV devoting every other cover story to the latest in colon polyps or stressed out 13-year-olds or the diet to end all diets or hung-over athletes while the rest of the world burns -- half the time because of American matches. It's what leads to Olympic Games where, every two years now, Americans are shocked to discover that so much of the world can compete as well or better than Americans, and many of America's best lout their way to mediocrity on a world stage.

With its presumed dominance and interior hollowness, the American projection of power is beginning to take on the feel of those Soviet athletes of the last century, who represented their country's rotten core so well -- all muscle and brawn, no moral center. The fear was there, the admiration wasn't. In America's case, the fear is building up, along with the ridicule. The admirable is like Bode Miller: a foreigner in his own country.

Tristam is a News-Journal editorial writer. Reach him at ptristam@att.net. "
 
toto2 said:
I know I am bringing this thread from far , but this journalist has an interesting take on the Bode Miller case. It is long , but very interresting !

" The Assigned Role of Bode Miller: Icon of American Presumption
by Pierre Tristam


I must admit that I'd never heard of U.S. skier Bode Miller until Newsweek featured his ice-capaded face on its Jan. 23 cover. That was about the time when Hamas -- the Palestinian Taliban -- won its Super G (for goring) victory in the Palestinian elections; when Iraq ratified its Allah-is-great election results, giving Iranian-backed thugs in a pretend-parliament the satisfaction of establishing a theocracy under America's nose; when President Bush was at his East German best in a daily defense of his lawless domestic spying program; when Samuel Alito -- Robert Bork's last laugh -- was confirmed to the Supreme Court by a Senate almost as relevant as Baghdad's parliament; and when Canada, that forgotten province to the north of American indifference, elected its most conservative prime minister in 12 years.

How, amid all this, Bode Miller ends up on the cover of a supposedly serious national newsweekly explains, I think, why Bode Miller -- occasional drunkard, eternal individualist, anti-team-player, corporate commodity, media punching bag and supreme Olympic loser Bode Miller -- was the only true American hero of the Turin Winter Games. He lived up to the meaning of America in the world's eyes these days: Presumptuous, self-absorbed, ignorant, loutish, incompetent.

I'm not saying that those are Miller's actual traits (or those of most Americans, for that matter). For the most part they're not. Looking past his media make-up, Miller turns out to be a complex individual who packs a more interesting persona in his left ski on an off day than most athletes manage in their entire life. He recognizes that his silver medal at the Salt Lake games in 2002 was a miracle. He warned that it was fine with him if he never repeated. He nails his sport's promoters' true brand -- "rich, cocky, wicked conceited, super-right-wing Republicans." He justly ridicules sports' hypocritical rules about performance-enhancing drugs, or that athletes should somehow be "role" models, a notion as idiotic as deeming Homer's warriors the gold standard of valor. Miller treats the media the way the media treat him, with a mixture of contempt and pandering. He wants to be his own man, not just as a cliche. But ultimately he's just one guy in a culture that idealizes individualism as long as no one actually practices it. If you're not a "team player" -- the corporate euphemism for that other management school known as Leninism -- you're a traitor.

Whether he wanted it or not -- he mostly didn't -- Miller was assigned a role: To be the games' American blockbuster. He failed, partly by choice, partly because his talent peaked sometime in 2005, mostly because those who saw him as some sort of Great American Hope refuse to see a world of competing strengths beyond American borders. They're blaming his failures on his drinking and partying. They should blame it on their blindness. There's more to the world than U.S.-anointed heroes, than U.S. narratives of success. The focus on Bode Miller's failures became a fixation at the games in proportion to the lack of focus on the more absorbing stories of the Olympics. Some truly great ones involved Americans (Apolo Anton Ohno is both a Greek and American god in my book). Most, in games where Americans won less than 10 percent of the medals, did not. Put more simply: there's more to the world than the United States, though most of the time you wouldn't know it from reading "serious" magazines like Newsweek or watching network television.

It's one of those paradoxes of the age of globalism. On one hand, the media sermonize about the wealth of nations enabled by globalism, the worth of individuals enabled by multiculturalism and the rights of peoples enabled by American-styled democracy. On the other hand the worship of the parochial and the narcissistic overwhelms everything else. It's what leads to national newsmagazines in print or on TV devoting every other cover story to the latest in colon polyps or stressed out 13-year-olds or the diet to end all diets or hung-over athletes while the rest of the world burns -- half the time because of American matches. It's what leads to Olympic Games where, every two years now, Americans are shocked to discover that so much of the world can compete as well or better than Americans, and many of America's best lout their way to mediocrity on a world stage.

With its presumed dominance and interior hollowness, the American projection of power is beginning to take on the feel of those Soviet athletes of the last century, who represented their country's rotten core so well -- all muscle and brawn, no moral center. The fear was there, the admiration wasn't. In America's case, the fear is building up, along with the ridicule. The admirable is like Bode Miller: a foreigner in his own country.

Tristam is a News-Journal editorial writer. Reach him at ptristam@att.net. "


What a stretch just to mock and bash America.

Yes, Bode's been a disappointment, and yes, the media overhypes many athletes, but that article is way over the top. :rolleyes:

One thing for sure, I admire most Olympic athletes and applaud their efforts. It's a lot tougher than being a critic. :sad2:
 

JoeEpcotRocks said:
What a stretch just to mock and bash America.

Yes, Bode's been a disappointment, and yes, the media overhypes many athletes, but that article is way over the top. :rolleyes:

One thing for sure, I admire most Olympic athletes and applaud their efforts. It's a lot tougher than being a critic. :sad2:
I mean really, was that opinion over the top or what? Hey Bode said he went to Torino for an olympic-sized good time. I think he succeeded in that. Too bad they don't give medals for it though. I have the best pic of him having his olympic-sized good time, but I can't post it here...I will say it involves a drink in each hand, hanging out with a Playboy Playmate and giving the photographer the finger (which is quite the feat since he did have a drink in each hand).
 
Well , I thought too that some part of the piece were abit over the top , but , over all, I thought it was an interesting take on the phenomenon and what the media does .
 
momof2inPA said:
Oh please, he's a young guy who skis well, and I don't think he's aspiring to be anything else. He says he doesn't care about the money he could make through sponsors, and he made no excuses for finishing 5th. He thought he skied well. Could y'all ski better? Why not let the guy ski and let the guy be?

So what, he goes out and drinks and meets girls. If you were a young guy in Italy, don't you think you would want to carouse with some Italian girls?
If he were in Italy representing himself, then he could drink and hang out with as many Italian girls as he wants to. I could not care less.

However, he received a spot on the US Olympic team. As such, he is representing his country. And, quite frankly, if he had done his best and still came in 5th, I'd have no problem with him. The fact that he has had a crappy attitude, stays out all night the night before his important race drinking, and then doesn't seem to give a hoot that he screwed up, nor does he even really feel the need to take repsonsibility for it...well, that's the stuff that's annoying.

As far as could I ski better?? Well, of course not. I have not trained to be an Olympic level skier. Had I spent my entire life training for that moment though, I think I would have had better sense than to behave in such a manner as to screw it up and then be cocky about it once I did screw up.

Sorry...being young doesn't give him a pass. The kid who won gold in the ladies figure skating is young too and she manageed to pull herself together.
 
cardaway said:
Do you folks think he was out alone, no other participants out that night as well?

Most of those folks are out partying in their off hours. It's part of the reward of making it to the Olympics.

As usual somebody is making an example out of somebody when the reality is that he/she is really no different than the average person in that position.
An Olympic athlete is not an average person.

And whether they like it or not,t hey are a role model. Fame makes you a role model. People watch what you do, comment on it, and some peole model themselves after you.

No one ever said the price of fame wasn't high.

based on his performance, I don't think Bode will have to worry too much about fame after this, which is good since he doesn't care about the money or the fame.

Stupid is as stupid does.
 
Miss Jasmine said:
Exactly!

I can also guarantee he was not the only athlete out partying that night. The reason it was mentioned is because of what he said during his 60 Minutes interview.
And I could quote my mother who would say "If everyone was jumping off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you join them?"

Again, young stupid kid who blew.

He's not smart enough yet to realize what he did. W
He will be someday. Then it'll suck for him.
 
Nancy said:
Anyone that would hold up an Olympic or professional athlete or a movie/singing star as a role model needs to rethink their priorities. The only role models for my kids are me and my DH.
It's unfortunate that you think that, because I can assure you that unless your children have no contact with anyone other than you and your DH, they have other folks who they are emulating in some way, be it a movie star, an athlete, another family member or a teacher.
 
cardaway said:
Maybe you should have studied up. Many the sports hero had to be carried home the night before the big game.
And if they did not perform up to their potential the next day, I'd be saying the same thing about them.
 
cardaway said:
Your post read like you were telling us something we didn't know when the reality is that the two schools of thought in big game prep have been going on long before both of us were alive.

Nobody has proven which is the better way to go about it, but it has been proven that many can all but pass out the night before and still come out on top.
Clearly, Bode isn't among those that belong in this elite group!!!! ;)
 
goofy4tink said:
This is Bode....He always has behaved this way..nothing new here. As the saying goes..'move along people, nothing to see, move along now'. Bode has always been the renegade skier. He has his own set of rules (if you can call them rules), he doesn't kowtow, or basically listen, to anyone else. Pretty much a 'my way or the highway' kinda guy. So....if his sponsers knew all this going in, if the fans knew this going is..what's the big deal? This is Bode behaviour, through and through. Nothing different. Personally, I think he skied pretty well on that run. After reading here, I thought he had really bombed, but my heavens people...one second off the gold medal time??? We are talking about tenths of seconds, hundreths of seconds here.
Nope, I can't get all worked up over Bode's behaviour...nothing new happening. Just Bode being Bode!!
Well, then I guess I wish they had chosen someone who would have represented the USA better, and had more respect for the honor he had been given.

Oh well, water under the brdige as they say.

This one is a futile argument between the "give him a pass he's just a kid and it's his personality" group and the "he should have taken it more seriously" group.

His 15 minutes will be up soon enough.
 
Disney Doll said:
An Olympic athlete is not an average person.

And whether they like it or not,t hey are a role model. Fame makes you a role model. People watch what you do, comment on it, and some peole model themselves after you.

No one ever said the price of fame wasn't high.

based on his performance, I don't think Bode will have to worry too much about fame after this, which is good since he doesn't care about the money or the fame.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Once again you need to study up. I believe the endorsement deals will continue to flow in and he his "fame" will hold steady. There is big money in skiing endorsements, but unless you're into it, you'd never know it.

It's also sad that once gain people are showing how hung up some Americans are on things like this. Not only is it likely that many people who brought home gold do exactly what he did, the people back home probably wouldn't be making themsleves look bad with all this "bad kid let us down" crap.
 
If Bode doesn't care about winning, then I don't care about him.

I can see underachievers everyday. I want to see someone who is going to give it eveything they've got, and do the very best they can, and not someone who is going to squander their talent and ability.
 
Deb in IA said:
If Bode doesn't care about winning, then I don't care about him.

I can see underachievers everyday. I want to see someone who is going to give it eveything they've got, and do the very best they can, and not someone who is going to squander their talent and ability.
I feel exactly this same way! There are other talented, humble, hard-working kids out there waiting to make a dream-of-a-lifetime come true and go down in American Olympic history!!
 
"Underachiever" in the Olympics???

Unless they got there by having their name drawn out of a hat, I don't think so.
 
Deb in IA said:
If Bode doesn't care about winning, then I don't care about him.

I can see underachievers everyday. I want to see someone who is going to give it eveything they've got, and do the very best they can, and not someone who is going to squander their talent and ability.
I agree completely. Very well said!! I also agree with the poster who quoted Forest Gump and said "Stupid is as Stupid does." Very appropriate in this instance.
 
cardaway said:
"Underachiever" in the Olympics???

Unless they got there by having their name drawn out of a hat, I don't think so.


do you own stock in Bode? :teeth:
 












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