Blue Sky Rumor: Ride coming to UK Pavilion?

I'm solidly in the camp that not every pavilion needs a ride. In fact, I like some of the ride-free pavilions best because they're less likely to be crowded and have more room for shops, restaurants, and places to just sit and enjoy the scenery.

I would love the UK pavilion to get a show/presentation in the same vein as "O Canada", which I find entertaining. It's educational without being a travel brochure. With so many Americans being Anglophiles, I think it would be popular (and probably less expensive to build than a ride.)
I'm completely in the other camp here. I never have enough money to splurge on many of the shops in WS so I tend to just breeze through them just to say I went to each of them. Italy and Germany have no draw for me and I have done O Canada twice in the 22 trips I've taken because one, I don't want to stand for anything, and two, a movie about Canada seems the weakest way of making a pavilion interesting to me. I'm all for a ride in each pavilion. I love the break and few moments of relaxation that the boat rides bring to my aching legs.
 
I'm completely in the other camp here. I never have enough money to splurge on many of the shops in WS so I tend to just breeze through them just to say I went to each of them. Italy and Germany have no draw for me and I have done O Canada twice in the 22 trips I've taken because one, I don't want to stand for anything, and two, a movie about Canada seems the weakest way of making a pavilion interesting to me. I'm all for a ride in each pavilion. I love the break and few moments of relaxation that the boat rides bring to my aching legs.

You just said you don't spend money in the countries...

Why would the Walt Disney company want to spend billions on adding rides that don't generate revenue...not to mention permenant, large operational costs...for something for you to ride when you're going to show up anyway?

...this is kinda the problem with this type of spitballing...the fact that's it's 100% about money for them is lost.
 
You just said you don't spend money in the countries...

Why would the Walt Disney company want to spend billions on adding rides that don't generate revenue...not to mention permenant, large operational costs...for something for you to ride when you're going to show up anyway?

...this is kinda the problem with this type of spitballing...the fact that's it's 100% about money for them is lost.
Because I was under the impression that this is a theme park that I just paid 100+ to be standing in and I would only assume that there would be plenty of rides to ride as well as shops to browse in. As far as I've seen, Disney likes to raise those prices every single year and yet they keep doing away with the entertainment in that park. Call me crazy, but I expect rides at a theme park, not just shops and restaurants.
 
I'm completely in the other camp here. I never have enough money to splurge on many of the shops in WS so I tend to just breeze through them just to say I went to each of them. Italy and Germany have no draw for me and I have done O Canada twice in the 22 trips I've taken because one, I don't want to stand for anything, and two, a movie about Canada seems the weakest way of making a pavilion interesting to me. I'm all for a ride in each pavilion. I love the break and few moments of relaxation that the boat rides bring to my aching legs.

Because I was under the impression that this is a theme park that I just paid 100+ to be standing in and I would only assume that there would be plenty of rides to ride as well as shops to browse in. As far as I've seen, Disney likes to raise those prices every single year and yet they keep doing away with the entertainment in that park. Call me crazy, but I expect rides at a theme park, not just shops and restaurants.

It's not that I disagree with your statements in principle...it's just that to Disney they don't equate.

You are predicting while you'll be spending $150 a day in a couple of years...whether they build a thing or not.
 
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It's not that I disagree with your statements in principle...it's just that to Disney they don't equate.

You are predicting while you'll spending $150 a day in a couple of years...whether they build a thing or not.

You are often more cynical than I agree with, but you are correct here from Disney's perspective.

Disney's error, in my opinion, has been to believe that they can raise prices as they have, and make higher profits regardless. I think they have seen that there has been a large drop off in attendance the past two years, and that may be part of why we are starting to see some park expansions, improvements and changes. They have been needed for some time, but the question will be if the damage has already been done to their brand, or will people flock back to the parks, even with the higher prices.
 
You are often more cynical than I agree with, but you are correct here from Disney's perspective.

Disney's error, in my opinion, has been to believe that they can raise prices as they have, and make higher profits regardless. I think they have seen that there has been a large drop off in attendance the past two years, and that may be part of why we are starting to see some park expansions, improvements and changes. They have been needed for some time, but the question will be if the damage has already been done to their brand, or will people flock back to the parks, even with the higher prices.

I truly hope the "damage is done"...because the balance in Orlando has collapsed In the last few years in particular but really for much longer. The consumers have failed to demand accountability and the price equilibrium is out of control.
 
Just to put my two cents in on the IPs I think some like Mulan and Mary poppins are very much connected to real life and real cultures in a way that makes them not fitting for magic kingdom. I think that's the direction it should go. Also the trolls should have been the main focus of fea.

It doesn't have to be the princess happy endings take the mk has. Just because it's IP doesn't mean it's just like magic kingdom
 
There is a debate that Disney movies borrow from european stories...

The question is: does an Alice in wonderland omnimover belong in Epcot next to the food and wine stand that serves salmon?

Pretty simple. The place for those types of rides have always been In the sterilized magic kingdom.
Why are you assuming these are all omnimovers literally no one has said that
 
I'm around the same age as you (not stalking just read on another thread talking about the future of Epcot) and it's just me being a Disney dork
I'll have to look into it! I've seen a few mentioned of Make Mine Music now. Maybe I even know it but didn't know the name lol
 
Not piling on you, but I've heard this over and over and it just rings so hollow to me. For the average person, the world is NOT smaller than it has been. The average American will never leave the USA in their lifetime. WDW visitors are certainly better traveled than the average guy, but I'll bet that more than half of the folks in the park on any given day will never cross the ocean. ...and the internet is supposed to be a viable stand-in? HA! That's crazy.

If the World Showcase is a little stale to folks, it's because it hasn't been updated basically since it opened. That has nothing to do with people's ability to travel. Heck, I love to travel overseas, and I've been many times - but the WS is my favorite part of WDW...

Agree! Also, I don't think it holds true because the "countries" that are a draw are are a draw because of their specific attractions. Like the big store in Japan. The building in Morrocco. People visit those for the same reason they visit Leavenworth WA or SF Chinatown. It's the kitsch factor and the shopping that is different from what they have at a mall at home. Some of us are privileged to live in or near cities with great international stuff. But even though I've been to a lot of Japanese import stores, the store at WDW had some stuff that I've rarely seen and I bet that your average American kid has never seen it at all. A land like Mexico would be a lot cooler with a bit of effort- unique shops, maybe southwest art, Tex mex food, a "street market", a shell/ "surfing shop". You can't say Britain kitsch doesn't sell either- look at all the crazy Harry Potter fans. Probably at least a quarter of the ones I know are into HP because they're anglophiles. And Canada is seriously just sad, for no good reason. You can't tell me that the native cultures and the national parks, and the mining and fishing industries hold no appeal to your average WDW attendee.

Or even if they had no intention of bringing in foreign sponsor money again, they could revamp it so each land was a different US city. I don't know about other folks, but NYC, and Chicago, were no more "real" to me as a kid than London or Paris. Still have seen very little of the south and southwest. And I travel a lot more than most people I've met.

But I do agree that future world hurts them. It's pretty sad. I probably won't go for the Star Wars rides- I wish they had put that money into Epcot instead. Frozen was a cheap attempt to draw the crowds.
 
I would guess, that what we'll see more than anything at the world showcase is more food/beverage purchase options. Whether they've lucked into or not, they are surely aware of what epcot has become. The food and wine festival, and the flower and Garden festival, focus a great deal of energy on making sure stomach's are satisfied. Now it's somewhat at odds with the meal plan. Apps are not part of the meal plan. People love to eat and drink. If people won't drink their way around the world, they'll snack their way around. That is real money in their pocket. Add gift shops that have a bit more variety than the average stuff on property, and you have a huge profit center.
That being said, wdw is family oriented. You need to keep the children occupied to Mom and Dad can fill their face. I think you can expect kiddie rides and dark rides in the world showcase going forward. Something the kids can do while the parents enjoy "a foreign country", or as good as it will get for parents recover from sending little johnny to college and hit retirement.
If you follow the revenue opportunities, Epcot has huge potential. They may have lucked into, but I think they are realizing that it is a great opportunity.
I have to believe the my magic system finally gives the suits a true picture of where their money is being made, and they are now finally free to spend where they think it will contribute to a return.
WS doesn't need a million rides, but it sure could use at least one more near the IG somewhere. Need not be an amazing new experience.
I think your formula for any new country is going to be like the mexican pavilion. A dark ride, a couple of restaurants, a fun lounge/bar, somewhat unique gift shop, and quick serve karts. If they care about the eats, they'll have to pick a country that makes sense. I haven't gone out for Egyptian food lately, Greek food could be good, Brazilian that could be good. Swiss, could be good but I think Germany may have stolen that thunder. Russia, no thanks. Caribbean Island food, sure. Australia...maybe. Spain or Portugal, ok. India, sure.
If you are looking for return on investment, I think that is the way you have to look at it. Find where the bean counters and imagineers can find middle ground.
 
Why are you assuming these are all omnimovers literally no one has said that

WDW rides require indoor show buildings, high hourly capacity, and little physical restrictions...in the majority of cases.

Do you think that when they did the fantasyland area they said "we're short on this type of ride...let's build Ariel"?

They are repetitive because of operational issues...it's not about creativity or "imagineering"
 
WDW rides require indoor show buildings, high hourly capacity, and little physical restrictions...in the majority of cases.

Do you think that when they did the fantasyland area they said "we're short on this type of ride...let's build Ariel"?

They are repetitive because of operational issues...it's not about creativity or "imagineering"

I guess but I don't think Disney has it as bad as Universal and their 4D screen rides.
 
Those stink too...a lot of that is due to weather and size constraints...they are limited somewhat by those things.
I guess in my mind the Disney omnimovers show at least a little effort where they put together props and theming and create something while Universal's seem lazy with screens and projectors ready to be changed out.
 
I guess in my mind the Disney omnimovers show at least a little effort where they put together props and theming and create something while Universal's seem lazy with screens and projectors ready to be changed out.

Remember that universal was not built the way Disney parks were...until Comcast took over with deep
Pockets and committed to the business.

Since Harry Potter - the first construction meant to be of similar quality - the gap has been narrowed significantly.
 












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