At Last! All Illegal Immigrants to be expelled.

[Galahad]

Illegal immigration is a huge national security problem, IMO. Anything we do, from the looks of things, will be more that what we are doing now.

 

[Crankyshank]

So how are we going to support all of these people that come swarming in here if we allowed open immigration? Where are they going to live? Who's going to pay for their medical care or pay for the uninsured Americans who come down with any illness the new arrivals might have brought in with them? Perhaps Mr Big Bucks earning sewage wader?

Not to mention the fact that opening our borders or being less than vigilant with illegal immigrants is putting a big Welcome sign on our foreheads for more terrorist attacks.

 

[momof2inPA]

Thumbs up to Chertoff for actually talking about the subject, but they need to start with the companies that hire these illegals. There should be criminal penalties against any manager who knowingly hires illegals, and these penalties must be enforced or the illegal problem will never improve.

And U.S. citizens will work the jobs left by the illegals if the pay is right. Yeah, we'll pay a bit more for goods and services, but I'm willing to pay a few more bucks for a tree or bush or to build a house if illegals are not working those jobs.

I hope this announcement by Chertoff isn't followed by an announcement by Bush giving amnesty to all the rule-breakers already here.

 

[cardaway]

Take away the benefits from those who came here illegally and maybe the number of those doing it will decrease. As it is, there's situations where the illegals are better off than the dirt poor that were born here.

 

[Meezers]

I am curious....I see alot of the immigrant work force...does anyone know what they make? Is it by the day or hour or job? Really would like to know this!

 

[dcentity2000]

Isn't this treating the symptom as opposed to the disease? America has her hands full trying to enforce a land based border - maybe spend the money on that?



Rich::

 

[Mermaid02]

Since everyone is so up in arms about this, you tell me...at what hourly rate would you take a job crawling through a city sanitary sewer system in two feet of raw sewage?

How much for you work the nurseries for 12 hours a day in the blistering heat?

I'm just curious. The construction companies around here accept applications unsolicited, on that app there is a requested rate of pay box. ANYONE can apply and write what they would like to be paid. Who applies? Not Joe Smith living in his nice suburban house next door.

Like I said, I'm not a supporter BUT you have to look at the alternatives.

If these are the working conditions the illegals face, they are being exploited not helped.

 

[Toby'sFriend]

If these are the working conditions the illegals face, they are being exploited not helped.

exactly.

We are a country that denounces sweat shop conditions for pitiful wages in other countries. Why should it be accepted here --- just because they are "willing" to do it?

 

[lyeag]

you know, I bet plenty of the people who were displaced by the hurricanes would love to find a job..... and I don't mean that to be funny or snide. Plenty of people are out of work. Pay decent wages and get rid of the illegals. Not that I would love crawling through a sewer, but you know, I would rather do that than not have a job.

 

[brerrabbit]

I agree that what is being proposed will not happen and am willing to conceed those who are already here. However we need to stop the continuing flow, for security reasons if no other. Additionally I live in the greater Houston area and current studies show that only 1 in 4 people in our area have medical insurance. Yet no person who needs healthcare is turned away. The cost for providing these services are coming out of the pockets of local taxpayers and while yes, illeagals are willing to take jobs no one else will they are offsetting the savings by the additional taxes being spent on healthcare and education. I am not advocating a mass roundup and deportatio, merely a nod that it is a problem and from no on we shut off the border and force people wanting to migrate here to go through legal channels.

By the way the going rate for illeagals picked up a building supply stores and in various other places around Houston is 6 to 7 dollars an hour paid in cash at the end of the day, and usually a hamburger lunch. ( I have friends who use them for a lot of jobs) The truly ironic part is they employ them during the day and spend all night complaining about them being here.

 

[Deb in IA]

I would send all of them home and when the kid is 18, then he/she can return.

Ah, I see. So, even though these children are legal US citizens, you would deny them their rights to an education, and make them pay for the "sins of the father"?


I'm all for legal immigration too. It's just that expulsion of all illegals is not as simple as you think.

 

[CheshireVal]

I wouldn't really have anything against illegals if they weren't costing us taxpayers tons of money. They're getting benefits-- they can use our hospitals. I don't think that's right.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

One of the issues that I have had with the Bush Administration has been the "soft of illegal immigration" stance and weak boarders. Michael Chertoff, Dir. of Homeland Security announced today that his department aims to expell without exception, all those who enter this country illegally. Its about time!

Obviously a politically motivated statement in a feable attempt to assauge/misdirect the base's concerns about the Harriet Miers nomination, the Rove/Libby indictment, etc. etc. etc. I tell you one thing...the Bush Administration really knows what fires up the base...unfortunately, except for the blindly partisan extreme fringe of his own party...noone's buying this time, Mr. President. "Trust me" doesn't cut it with anymore on anything!!

 

[disneymom3]

I'm not against immigration, just illegal immigration. Why should they be allowed in in higher numbers than other nations? Just because we share a border? I know people from India who wait years to get her legally. My kin came legally.

Exactly!! I have a dear friend who I met when I was his Realtor and it took him several years to get approved to immigrate. His brother is now on the approved list (from Kenya) and yet he doesn't expect to see him for at least another year. When he gets here, I will be soooo thrilled for him and jumping for joy because he did it LEGALLY! I welcome all who follow the proper channels with open arms.

 

[Toby'sFriend]

I'm all for legal immigration too. It's just that expulsion of all illegals is not as simple as you think.

No, I don't think anybody thinks it is simple and I think most people realize this action will have few concrete results. But at the same time, I think the United States as a country needs to stop accepting the status quo concept that anybody and their brother can come into our country to live and work at will.

If I had my choice I would not grant citizenship to a child unless one of their parents had a legal right to be present in the United States. I would have no problem allowing those who have already been given citizenship to retain it -- just quit granting it.

 

[Pam]

I'm just thankful that America didn't do this years ago - or my/DH's ancestors would still be in Ireland, England, Germany, Poland, Russia, etc.

 

[dcentity2000]

I'm all for legal immigration too. It's just that expulsion of all illegals is not as simple as you think.

That's exactly right.

Deportation is punishment for failing to adhere to a country's code of asylum. If death results as a direct consequence of the deportation, then we are technically (at law) answerable to their death to a limited degree (the "but for" principle).

Inevitable or near inevitable death for failing to adhere to a country's code of asylum is disproportionate and barbaric. I hope that there is a system in place whereby cases are reviewed before any automatic deportation - in fact I cannot believe there not to be.

[EDIT]: Don't get me wrong, the USA needs to have better control over asylum - you guys have the thick end of the stick having a land based border and all. I just think that any notion as to there being automatic deportation is half-cooked at best.



Rich::

 

[eclectics]

I am curious....I see alot of the immigrant work force...does anyone know what they make? Is it by the day or hour or job? Really would like to know this!

They get about $100 cash for a 8-10 hour day where I live. I can't see how this can be enforced when we make it so enticing for them to come here. They get cash to send back home, medical care if they get hurt, easy to get booze and drugs if they are so inclined, and since Spanish is rapidly becoming our second language, no language barriers anywhere. Not only will the illegal problem not be stopped, I think it will get worse.

 

[brerrabbit]

Pam,

Totally different situation. Immigration at that time was welcomed and appricieated. As the immigrants got off the boats they were registered and asked where they would be living. Granted some US citizens at that point were angry and acted out against those immigrants but they were coming with the approval of the US government. What we are talking about are Mexican nationals who sneak across the border under the cover of darkness without the approval and consent of the US government. I live in Texas and spend time of the border. I have friends who own hunting camps down there and the standard procedure whenever they leave is to put food, and water on the front porch and leave the doors unlocked. They do this because if they don't the illeagals coming across the border will break in the houses for these items. One county just east of Big Bend on the border has 1 Sheirff and 3 deputies to patrol a county that is over 6,000 square miles. They have no permanent Border Patrol station in their county. They have something like four hundred miles of border. Now granted they are not the authority who is responsible for keeping the immigrants from crossing but they are responsible for controlling crime in the county and they estimated over 20,000 immigrants passed through their county coming into the US last year alone. The crime of breaking and entering is so prevalant that residents arm themselves for protection because the law can not be everywhere at once. How would you feel living in that situation?

 

[disneymom3]

I'm just thankful that America didn't do this years ago - or my/DH's ancestors would still be in Ireland, England, Germany, Poland, Russia, etc.

ALL of your ancestors entered the country illegally? Sure about that?