At Last! All Illegal Immigrants to be expelled.

[momof2inPA]

The system can't support it any way you slice it. If they are all deported and the jobs they work are lost, we have no one to work those jobs. These people are working the jobs that other people don't want to work. No matter what happens, the system can't support this.

There are thousands and thousands of people that have fallen off the unemployment roles. They'll work the illegals' jobs. It's not like the illegals will be taking the jobs back to Mexico with them.

 

[Pam]

Like your ancestors, mine got to this country legally. That's the operative word.

I just posted this because I'm feeling ornery. I've had about 20 posts go poof today. I just assumed this one would, too.

And I am sure that some of my ancestors sneaked over illegally in the 1700/1800s.

 

[Sparx]

There are thousands and thousands of people that have fallen off the unemployment roles. They'll work the illegals' jobs. It's not like they'll be taking the jobs back to Mexico with them.

How many of those people do you think are going to want to work on a nusery, in the hot sun, for very little money? As another poster said, these people are working jobs that americans don't want. It really isn't fair to say that they are 'taking' our jobs, they are taking the jobs we, as a society, don't want. jmo

 

[DawnCt1]

How many of those people do you think are going to want to work on a nusery, in the hot sun, for very little money? As another poster said, these people are working jobs that americans don't want. It really isn't fair to say that they are 'taking' our jobs, they are taking the jobs we, as a society, don't want. jmo

There were a lot of kids in our area who applied to work on tobacco but were never hired because they had a full work force already....of legal farm workers on work visas.

 

[Mermaid02]

How many of those people do you think are going to want to work on a nusery, in the hot sun, for very little money? As another poster said, these people are working jobs that americans don't want. It really isn't fair to say that they are 'taking' our jobs, they are taking the jobs we, as a society, don't want. jmo

The illegals don't "want" that job either- but they have no choice because they are here illegally and can't get a decent job for a decent wage because that would mean the employer had to report the wages. These people are being exploited NOT helped.

 

[CarolA]

One of the issues that I have had with the Bush Administration has been the "soft of illegal immigration" stance and weak boarders. Michael Chertoff, Dir. of Homeland Security announced today that his department aims to expell without exception, all those who enter this country illegally. Its about time!

Well, you better be prepared to get out and pick strawberries, clean houses etc....

I agree these folks are being exploited, but attitudes liek this are just absurb.... it's the close the door after ME theory! When most of our familes came here there were basically NO restrictions so this "We got here legally theory" has a few issues. (Keep in mind that SOME of our relatives also immigrated by FORCE in a slave boat!)

 

[cardaway]

The illegals don't "want" that job either- but they have no choice because they are here illegally and can't get a decent job for a decent wage because that would mean the employer had to report the wages. These people are being exploited NOT helped.

Exactly, and while it's easy to say, there is no way to prove it people are there to do these jobs if they are never officially offered because the employer is liking not reporting the workers.

 

[DawnCt1]

Well, you better be prepared to get out and pick strawberries, clean houses etc....

I agree these folks are being exploited, but attitudes liek this are just absurb.... it's the close the door after ME theory! When most of our familes came here there were basically NO restrictions so this "We got here legally theory" has a few issues. (Keep in mind that SOME of our relatives also immigrated by FORCE in a slave boat!)

We have LEGAL farm workers who pick strawberries, tobacco in the summer, apples in the fall and they get a visa and enter the country legally.

 

[Free4Life11]

The system can't support it any way you slice it. If they are all deported and the jobs they work are lost, we have no one to work those jobs.

Wait a second...if illegals are making $100 for an 8-10 hour day (as someone mentioned)...SIGN ME UP! To hell with this $5.50 an hour. I would love to be making $8 - $10 an hour!

I already DO work that I don't like to do, LOL!

 

[momof2inPA]

How many of those people do you think are going to want to work on a nusery, in the hot sun, for very little money? As another poster said, these people are working jobs that americans don't want. It really isn't fair to say that they are 'taking' our jobs, they are taking the jobs we, as a society, don't want. jmo

Are you kidding? That isn't the worst job around, do you really think it is? Maybe you are the one with the skewed idea of what jobs the poor and jobless will do because of your cushy life, but I had college friends who landscaped and worked in nurseries all summer long. They did it because it paid better than they could make elsewhere. If you pay the U.S. worker enough to care for his family, he or she will work in the nursery or in the sewer. Americans do want these jobs, but they want to get paid more than the illegals are willing to accept.

 

[nwdisgal]

I hope there's a line of Americans to take the jobs that these people do...I'll say that in the construction industry I have yet to see one caucasian American boy signing up to trudge through the city sewer system to fix a crack.

Good point, and what about all the people that harvest the grapes that go into the wine you drink every night, and assorted other industries that rely on some degree of low cost and largely illegal immigrant labor.

 

[Free4Life11]

Good point, and what about all the people that harvest the grapes that go into the wine you drink every night, and assorted other industries that rely on some degree of low cost and largely illegal immigrant labor.

Well how does any business stay profitable? Wal-Mart has over a million employees, but I'm sure they don't hire only illegals and pay them all $5.15 an hour. Yet they are the #1 company in the world and believe it or not manage to make a profit!

I know many farmers who pay their hired help very reasonable wages and make a fine living. The only reason someone would hire an illegal is greed -- they want as much work for as little cost as possible.

Believe it or not people WOULD work in a sewer or a field if you paid them enough! Would most people do it for $5.15 an hour? Heck no! But the higher the pay goes, the more people would be willing to do it.

Here in Nebraska a lot of school kids do detassling in the summer. It's an awful job, but the kids do it for some spending money. I think they make between $6 and $10 an hour. I'd have no respect for a farmer who someone hired illegals for $5.15 an hour just to save a few bucks!

Hiring illegal immigrants is wrong and ILLEGAL. There is no excuse for it. If there aren't enough people willing to work in your area you either need to (a) provide better wages/benefits so that people WANT to work or (b) find another area!

I'm sick of this idea that Americans aren't hardworking. I remember spending hours shoveling for snow for $5 an hour (less than minimum wage!) when I was a teenager. One night I was up until 1 a.m. because we had a huge snowstorm! Yes these are many people who are lazy but just because someone works for $5.15 picking oranges all day doesn't make them a saint -- maybe they are just dumb to settle for a lower paying, but physically demanding job.

 

[barkley]

anyone on either side of the debate on this should consider renting "a day without mexicans" at the local video store.

 

[Free4Life11]

Americans do want these jobs, but they want to get paid more than the illegals are willing to accept.

Exactly! Believing that you are worth more than $5.15 an hour isn't wrong either!

 

[Free4Life11]

More recently, he has also washed trucks, often working as much as 70 hours a week, earning $8.50 to $12.75 an hour.

That sounds like very decent pay. I wonder why they hire illegal immigrants? SURELY they could find high school/college students willing to wash trucks! I know I'd do it and I would do it for even less than those wages!

 

[momof2inPA]

Here in Nebraska a lot of school kids do detassling in the summer. It's an awful job, but the kids do it for some spending money. I think they make between $6 and $10 an hour. I'd have no respect for a farmer who someone hired illegals for $5.15 an hour just to save a few bucks!

Corn detassling is what I think of when I think "tough jobs." When I was younger, the farms paid $7 an hour, the work was gruelling, and it was all done by kids on summer break and adults who needed the extra cash. Sometimes moms would go out with their high school/ college kids. People will work if the pay is o.k., and $7 an hour for a summer job was pretty decent in those days. Heck I might work a nursery job part time while my kindergarten son's in school, if the pay was ok. I could raise some Disney money.

 

[barkley]

allot of bsns. hire undocs. (under the table) because if they hired a citizen they would have to pay payroll taxes, unemployment/disability insurance, workmans's comp...and some become subject to specific laws (a.d.a., etc.) once they have x number of employees. we have loads of "private contractors" who on paper are "self employed with no employees" and use day laborers to do the bulk of the work.

 

[momof2inPA]

You are correct. It's really unfair -not to mention false- to say that undocumented immigrants "receive benefits without giving anything in return", when in fact they are the ones who may keep SS going for the foreseeable future.

Do you mean the illegals who aren't paid under the table, because they don't contribute to Social Security at all? Plus, if the illegals leave, and U.S. citizens take those jobs at a higher wage, that will mean even more contribution to Social Security.

Let the illegals return to their own countries and help their own senior citizens.

 

[LisaNJ25]

That would be the day. Half of the town I live in would be deported.

Hey but it would help me with parking if the could get the 20 illegals tht are living in the house next to me.

 

[Free4Life11]

allot of bsns. hire undocs. (under the table) because if they hired a citizen they would have to pay payroll taxes, unemployment/disability insurance, workmans's comp...and some become subject to specific laws (a.d.a., etc.) once they have x number of employees. we have loads of "private contractors" who on paper are "self employed with no employees" and use day laborers to do the bulk of the work.

Businesses who work around these laws by hiring illegal immigrants are shameful. A lot of businesses may do it and all that means is a lot of businesses are breaking the law. Breaking the law is breaking the law whether it is just a single company or 10,000 companies.

If the only way you can stay profitable is by breaking the law, then you are doing something wrong. You can't blame the rules and regulations because SOMEHOW many businesses follow the law and manage to "make it."