Are all Disney resort perks fair?

If Disney started setting up days for only onsite guests I wouldn't go any more. That of level elitism is very unappealing to me and yes, it would appear to be elitism. I'm fully in favor of perks for hotel guests but I've never cared for exclusives.

I don't believe that Disney would ever push it that far though. They don't need the image of the clueless family showing up and being sent away while others enter the park.
 
If Disney started setting up days for only onsite guests I wouldn't go any more. That of level elitism is very unappealing to me and yes, it would appear to be elitism. I'm fully in favor of perks for hotel guests but I've never cared for exclusives.

I don't believe that Disney would ever push it that far though. They don't need the image of the clueless family showing up and being sent away while others enter the park.

You're right - they can't do that. It would alienate too big of a chunk of their customers. Of course, if they keep building resorts AND filling them up, that offsite "chunk" becomes less important.
 
You're right - they can't do that. It would alienate too big of a chunk of their customers. Of course, if they keep building resorts AND filling them up, that offsite "chunk" becomes less important.
If they do that then the new onsite people would simply replace the offsite people and any perks would go away. You can't give perks to everyone.

They really should build more attractions. It always seems to come back to that. :)
 

What are your thoughts about all the park ticketed events that seem to have become more frequent and more popular? // On my last trips the week before Christmas, we wanted to do a day at the MK for the overall vibe with a desire to do maybe 7 or 8 attractions and see a parade and fireworks. // There were quite a few party days that week though and crowd predictions were low on party days, but no parade or fireworks, and crowd predictions were particularly high on non-party days because of people's desire to be able to do parade and fireworks without buying an extra ticket. // And I really sort of think of parties as Disney double dipping and really didn't want to support those. I also thought we might like a little more time at the MK than what the party offered. I figured, though, we could do the stuff in that we wanted to do, but it would be a late night with our hanging around Mainstreet USA a good hour or two after official park closing to get the time here we wanted. And I'm not all that fond of that late a night. The youngest in our party, though, was 19, so no cranky tired little kids, etc.

In the end, I caved. We really didn't like any of the choices, but we wanted to go, didn't want to pay an arm and a leg for two tickets, so just went with what seemed like the best choice for our circumstances -- no day ticket, just a party ticket for a day during the week. lol So here I am supporting the party events that I think of as double dipping by Disney.

The fairness concept is probably not that much of a discussion item here. Disney owns the parks and can decide hours, rules, and prices. People who buy party tickets are the only ones that can go to the parties. And people can decide whether or not to buy a theme park ticket, party ticket, both, or skip going to Disney or the Magic Kingdom entirely. Disney heavily advertises it's hours and night time shows and parades, so people are warned ahead of time about earlier closings.
 
You're right - they can't do that. It would alienate too big of a chunk of their customers. Of course, if they keep building resorts AND filling them up, that offsite "chunk" becomes less important.

I forget where I read it but I think only 50% of customers in the parks on any day, on average, are onsite. They would have to build a lot of hotel rooms.
 
What are your thoughts about all the park ticketed events that seem to have become more frequent and more popular? // On my last trips the week before Christmas, we wanted to do a day at the MK for the overall vibe with a desire to do maybe 7 or 8 attractions and see a parade and fireworks. // There were quite a few party days that week though and crowd predictions were low on party days, but no parade or fireworks, and crowd predictions were particularly high on non-party days because of people's desire to be able to do parade and fireworks without buying an extra ticket. // And I really sort of think of parties as Disney double dipping and really didn't want to support those. I also thought we might like a little more time at the MK than what the party offered. I figured, though, we could do the stuff in that we wanted to do, but it would be a late night with our hanging around Mainstreet USA a good hour or two after official park closing to get the time here we wanted. And I'm not all that fond of that late a night. The youngest in our party, though, was 19, so no cranky tired little kids, etc.

In the end, I caved. We really didn't like any of the choices, but we wanted to go, didn't want to pay an arm and a leg for two tickets, so just went with what seemed like the best choice for our circumstances -- no day ticket, just a party ticket for a day during the week. lol So here I am supporting the party events that I think of as double dipping by Disney.

The fairness concept is probably not that much of a discussion item here. Disney owns the parks and can decide hours, rules, and prices. People who buy party tickets are the only ones that can go to the parties. And people can decide whether or not to buy a theme park ticket, party ticket, both, or skip going to Disney or the Magic Kingdom entirely. Disney heavily advertises it's hours and night time shows and parades, so people are warned ahead of time about earlier closings.
I've always been a little uneasy with the special ticketed events because I don't like the trend. There's a part of me that thinks that we used to be able to go to MK all day during the holidays and we still should.

That said, we did end up going to the Christmas party a few years ago. Luckily we don't have to deal with characters because the events are really getting out of hand. For me anyway.
 
Nope, not at all happy about that. I realize that I'm in the minority, but I am 100% in favor of deluxe resort guests receiving more perks than moderate/value guests. And moderate resort guests should receive more perks than value resort guests. And value resort guests should receive more perks than offsite guests.

I'm not sure how people can argue that "onsite should get more perks than offsite because they are giving Disney more money" without seeing how the same logic applies when discussing deluxe vs. value guests. Same principle.

As far as the onsite vs. offsite debate: I recognize that Disney deluxe resorts are absolutely not "deluxe" in the real world..the only thing truly deluxe about them is their price and their proximity to the World. They are beautiful, clean, and creatively themed, but certainly not deluxe. That being said, I am willing to pay the high prices for the experience of staying in the Disney bubble 24/7, and therefore don't mind forgoing the true deluxe experience in favor of Mouse Immersion. It is well worth it to us, but I can appreciate that others may feel differently. We have friends who can only take Disney in 8-hour bites; by the time their day in the park is done, they are OVER Disney and don't want to see another pair of mouse ears until they arrive back in the parks the next morning. (After thinking about it, I cannot understand how we are friends, lol).

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The only problem with this line of thinking is that 'value' does not always imply cheaper - the AoA suite we stayed in last August was not cheaper than a mod & more like paying for a reduced rate deluxe. Likewise, the $220ish a night We're paying for BC this August on a convention rate is more in line with mod pricing. Most will find that WL or AKL are the cheapest deluxe option. Not so for a family of 5. We could stay at the GF for cheaper! If Disney started doling out perks based on perceived cost of resort it would get messy fast.
 
The only problem with this line of thinking is that 'value' does not always imply cheaper - the AoA suite we stayed in last August was not cheaper than a mod & more like paying for a reduced rate deluxe. Likewise, the $220ish a night We're paying for BC this August on a convention rate is more in line with mod pricing. Most will find that WL or AKL are the cheapest deluxe option. Not so for a family of 5. We could stay at the GF for cheaper! If Disney started doling out perks based on perceived cost of resort it would get messy fast.
They've already done that with free dining offers, haven't they?
 
I'm not sure how you got the rates from WL since the summer offer is booked completely. But standard rack rate is $344.
I'm fully in favor of perks for hotel guests but I've never cared for exclusives

I don't see the difference. If it's a perk for resort guests only, it's exclusive. If everyone gets it, it's not a perk for on site guests only.

Disney giving those guests who choose to use their resorts extra benefits is not elitism by any definition. If that's elitism, so is anything in which certain people are given something that others are not. It's common to reward customers who conform to certain requirements.

As far as the special ticket events- Matters not to me one way or the other. Some I like and we buy tickets, some I don't. Why they bother anyone is beyond me. If you don't want to purchase it, don't. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be available.
 
The only problem with this line of thinking is that 'value' does not always imply cheaper - the AoA suite we stayed in last August was not cheaper than a mod & more like paying for a reduced rate deluxe. Likewise, the $220ish a night We're paying for BC this August on a convention rate is more in line with mod pricing. Most will find that WL or AKL are the cheapest deluxe option. Not so for a family of 5. We could stay at the GF for cheaper! If Disney started doling out perks based on perceived cost of resort it would get messy fast.

It would not be cut-and-dry simple, but it is DEFINITELY doable, if they wanted to. Which they don't, so really its just wishful thinking on my part.

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As far as the special ticket events- Matters not to me one way or the other. Some I like and we buy tickets, some I don't. Why they bother anyone is beyond me. If you don't want to purchase it, don't. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't be available.

Is it really "beyond" you? They don't bother me, but I completely understand why some are bummed by them. They shorten the hours available to tour. You pay X for your theme park ticket, and on one day, you get the benefit of the regular hours, and on another, those hours are shortened by a hard ticket party. I've always understood why they bug people. .:confused3
 
They've already done that with free dining offers, haven't they?
Yes but FD is *not* a year-round thing, so sure you have to pay to upgrade from QS to DP, but people don't go into a trip thinking they'll automatically get FD. Besides, food & the DP is a separate issue from the park ticket. You can get the dining plan, pay oop & get a RO discount etc.

Just as a comparison, as a family of 5 we can get a much cheaper room at Cabana Bay with several sleeping surfaces & plenty of room *or* we can pay deluxe prices & have to use a rollaway in a cramped room & get free express passes. We wouldn't pay for AoA if they started giving out park perks based on resort level. Others might, but not us.
 
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Is it really "beyond" you? They don't bother me, but I completely understand why some are bummed by them. They shorten the hours available to tour. You pay X for your theme park ticket, and on one day, you get the benefit of the regular hours, and on another, those hours are shortened by a hard ticket party. I've always understood why they bug people. .:confused3

Most of the complaints I read have to do with the elitist theory- that Disney is creating an upper class guest. I understand the frustration though of shorter park hours- although they are advertised well in advance.

Mostly I was thinking of the parties within a party they started recently. Those don't cost anyone anything and I've read tons of complaints about them.
 
Nope, not at all happy about that. I realize that I'm in the minority, but I am 100% in favor of deluxe resort guests receiving more perks than moderate/value guests. And moderate resort guests should receive more perks than value resort guests. And value resort guests should receive more perks than offsite guests.

I'm not sure how people can argue that "onsite should get more perks than offsite because they are giving Disney more money" without seeing how the same logic applies when discussing deluxe vs. value guests. Same principle.

As far as the onsite vs. offsite debate: I recognize that Disney deluxe resorts are absolutely not "deluxe" in the real world..the only thing truly deluxe about them is their price and their proximity to the World. They are beautiful, clean, and creatively themed, but certainly not deluxe. That being said, I am willing to pay the high prices for the experience of staying in the Disney bubble 24/7, and therefore don't mind forgoing the true deluxe experience in favor of Mouse Immersion. It is well worth it to us, but I can appreciate that others may feel differently. We have friends who can only take Disney in 8-hour bites; by the time their day in the park is done, they are OVER Disney and don't want to see another pair of mouse ears until they arrive back in the parks the next morning. (After thinking about it, I cannot understand how we are friends, lol).

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I stay moderate and would not mind if those staying in GF, OKW, Poly, had extra perks compared to me who stays in moderates. But I think that the way WDW looks at it is that those who stay in Deluxe stay for the hotels and what they have to offer. At CBR, we only have Shutters as the sit-dwon meal on-site, and routinely travel to GR for dinner or spa treatments for my wife. If someone who stayed at GF or Poly had more perks for the price, I would be fine with that.
 
Mostly I was thinking of the parties within a party they started recently. Those don't cost anyone anything and I've read tons of complaints about them.

Afaik, that only happened with the Halloween party. most of the complaints I've read about it were related to the last.minute changes to the Halloween party itself, like characters who have previously been available to all party guests now being exclusive to the villains soiree and changes to the mix and mingle show. There were other complaints about the best viewing areas for hallowishes and the parade now being held for soiree guests, but many of the most fervent complaints were about the previously mentioned character issue.

There was very little advanced notice for the villains soiree. People bought their MNSSHP tix in May, June, July, august and were not made aware of these changes when they bought their tickets. Yes, Disney always reserves the right to change things, but IMHO there would have been less complaints if the changes had been made known when tickets went on sale rather than a week (maybe 2?) before the first party. People then could have bought their tickets, or chosen not to if they were unhappy with the changes.
 
Most of the complaints I read have to do with the elitist theory- that Disney is creating an upper class guest. I understand the frustration though of shorter park hours- although they are advertised well in advance.

Mostly I was thinking of the parties within a party they started recently. Those don't cost anyone anything and I've read tons of complaints about them.

Not to wade into these shark infested waters...

But I think both of these things are bad trends...
 

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