Am I getting old or is this horribly wrong?

[declansdad]

Of course no "normal" man would be turned on by that- but I'm sure that there were men in that audience who were uncomfortable by what they saw.

So how does that make it right to make a comment such as "how many men were reaching for their wallet...."?


That comment was insulting to every man on this board and every man that has seen that performance.

 

[robinb]

Wow! Congratulations. Maybe we'll see her at the Olympics in a few years.

Nah. But she swims with a girl who is top 10 in the nation for many events. THAT girl will go to the Olympics and when she does I can say that my DD swam in the lane next to her ... way back when ... at practice. I'm afraid that's as close as we're going to get.

 

[Basil of Baker St]

I don't know - I don't think of little girls that way.

It is extremely irritating to me that your implication throughout this thread is that people who have a problem with the dance and the costumes are closet pedophiles. What is up w/ that?

The dance and outfits were choreographed to be sexy. That fact is obvious to anyone with eyes and the slightest moral compass. Most people in this thread think that an overtly sexual performance by 9 year-olds is beyond icky. Should little girls be allowed to perform w/ the Pussycat Dolls? IDK, they would probably think it was lots of fun!! The fun factor should not be the only basis for how we decide what our children are doing.

 

[luvsJack]

Sign those girls in the video up! Oh for heaven's sake...quit twisting everything. You're suggesting that little girls dressed and dancing provocatively is just NOT what appeals to a pedophile. And I'm saying...there IS child pornography. So, I'm asking the question...who is looking at this stuff? Are child pornographers and pedophiles mutually exclusive? Is the ONLY thing that matters is whether or not a child pornographer/pedophile can GET TO a child? The parents of the girls in that video may protect these kids day and night from being physically assaulted or taken by a pedophile...they might never leave their sides, except when their children are gyrating on a stage. Good for them. But personally, I wouldn't put my child out there acting like a sleazy sexpot for some creeps to get off on, whether they can get to them physically or not. Again and again and again and again. And for the umpteenth time I will answer again, as numerous others have as well. It is not ALL about the costume...it's about what they're doing in them, ON A STAGE, and ON THE INTERNET. And as prudish as I apparently am, I would find it very inappropriate for my adult daughters to be dressed in a bikini DANCING LIKE THAT ON A BEACH. Well, there ya go! It's been done before, so it must be OK. That has what to do with anything??

This...First, it already went viral. And second, yeah...let's remove all the repulsive inappropriate controversial news from news/talk shows. She didn't have it on there to promote it; it wasn't like she invited these little girls to do it on her stage, applauding it. If getting up on a stage and dancing determines that what is worn is a costume, then you can call anything a costume. A thong and bra could be called a costume, and yes, there are places where it is!

Jen! Great pictures. Cute costumes!

I didn't twist anything YOU brought but child porn not me.

I wasn't saying that because something happened before that makes it ok. I was simply saying that everyone that is outraged by this acts like it is something that has never been done before. THESE ARE NORMAL HIP HOP DANCE MOVES.

And of course you have twisted my words about the costume. It is a dance costume like many other dance costumes, not just because it is on stage but becuase that is what it is. I am sure there are places where a thong and a bra are considered a costume, I don't know I don't go to those places and I really don't think it would be considered a costume for most dance studios. What these girls are wearing is far, far from a bra and thong. Why must we exaggerate everything?

 

[krcit]

It is extremely irritating to me that your implication throughout this thread is that people who have a problem with the dance and the costumes are closet pedophiles. What is up w/ that?

The dance and outfits were choreographed to be sexy. That fact is obvious to anyone with eyes and the slightest moral compass. Most people in this thread think that an overtly sexual performance by 9 year-olds is beyond icky. Should little girls be allowed to perform w/ the Pussycat Dolls? IDK, they would probably think it was lots of fun!! The fun factor should not be the only basis for how we decide what our children are doing.

ITA Also the implication that we are prudes for not approving of the dance and costumes.

 

[xoprincessmomxo]

Such a shame. Very talented dancers, though! No way I'd let my kid do a routine like that, dressed like that! I teach dance as an alternative to a studio in our town that does routines like that. We get the dancers who can't afford to go to the other studio or whose parents disapprove of the sexual dances that are being performed by the little girls there. In fact, once the 12-13 year olds did a dance to the song "Girls! Girls! Girls!" in a cage at a recital at that studio. I was appalled. There are so many wonderful songs to choose from, why in the world do they have to choose such racy adult ones?

By the way, I love that Beyonce song. In fact, we dance to it in our adult dance class, not our little kids ones.

 

[Planogirl]

Why is everyone arguing about this? People feel differently and that's not likely to change.

I still think it was a cute routine IF they cut out the hip bit and put them in cuter outfits. I doubt that this will follow the girls throughout their lives though because they will change and frankly I wouldn't recognize any of them if they walked up to me right now.

 

[jen0610]

Directly from the ShowStopper website - which is one of the larger competitions.

If dance movements, music lyrics or costuming are deemed to be too suggestive or otherwise inappropriate for out family audience, or if the music contains vulgar or inappropriate lyrices, the routine will be scored lower by the judges.

Directly from the Star Quest website - another competition.

Any choreography music or costume considered inappropriate for family viewing by our judges will become "adjudicated only". Performances with thematic elements and "highly charged" issues reflecting a lack of discretion and awareness of the age and nature of a competition audience will be deemed inappropriate by our judges and will become "adjudicated only". See StarQuest and Appropriateness for further explanation. Which says:

The most sensitive topic in the dance competition industry today is inappropriateness. StarQuest is a family oriented competition experience and, as a founding member of the FDC, we strongly support the guidelines regarding inappropriate routines established by the FDC.

These guidelines are:
“Choreography, costuming, and/or the use of dance themes such as rape, suicide, murder, sex, domestic violence, anorexia, and dark undertones chosen and/or presented to competition audiences with a lack of “artistic discretion” is considered inappropriate. The FDC appreciates the art form,
creativity and desire to heighten world awareness of these themes through dance but deem it inappropriate to present them to audiences that include children of every age. We recognize that this is extremely subjective and sensitive. Therefore, each competition will individually address these
performances as they surface at each particular event. An entry that is ultimately deemed inappropriate by an FDC competition will be adjudicated only. We urge all studio owners, teachers, and especially parents to keep performances thematically and choreographically appropriate.”

Therefore, any routine which our judges deem as inappropriate will be announced as ”Adjudicated Only”. This means that although the routine will receive its true adjudication level of Platinum, High Gold, Gold, High Silver, or Silver it will NOT be eligible for Top Score Awards. The performers in the routine will not have points deducted and will still get their well deserved adjudication award for their execution of the routine. However, the routine will
remain completely ineligible for Top Score consideration. This penalizes the routine for inappropriateness but NOT for the performance of the routine. We believe this is an important distinction because it is up to the Studio Owner and the Choreographer to insure that the routine is family oriented.

We encourage all choreographers to push boundaries but to also maintain a heightened awareness of who is in the audience. Appropriateness begins in the studio and StarQuest will do its best to help maintain it. We know that some of you may find the decision of the judges this season to be too lenient while others may find the judges too strict. Either way, we are resolved to improve the competition experience for everyone. Hopefully, we will begin to see immediate positive results.

I strongly support this competition for stating that it is up to the Studio, teachers, AND PARENTS to make sure what their kid is dancing is FAMILY appropriate.


So this does show that there are competitions that frown on what this group of girls did as a routine, as a whole - steps and costume.

 

[luvsJack]

That is a sick and disgusting comment.

I agree that it was a sick and disgusting comment.

I thought it fit the discussion.

Implying that all men are pedophile's doesn't fit ANY discussion. Actually implying that these little girls were stripping on stage doesn't fit any discussion either.

 

[luvsJack]

Directly from the ShowStopper website - which is one of the larger competitions.

If dance movements, music lyrics or costuming are deemed to be too suggestive or otherwise inappropriate for out family audience, or if the music contains vulgar or inappropriate lyrices, the routine will be scored lower by the judges.

Directly from the Star Quest website - another competition.

Any choreography music or costume considered inappropriate for family viewing by our judges will become "adjudicated only". Performances with thematic elements and "highly charged" issues reflecting a lack of discretion and awareness of the age and nature of a competition audience will be deemed inappropriate by our judges and will become "adjudicated only". See StarQuest and Appropriateness for further explanation. Which says:

The most sensitive topic in the dance competition industry today is inappropriateness. StarQuest is a family oriented competition experience and, as a founding member of the FDC, we strongly support the guidelines regarding inappropriate routines established by the FDC.

These guidelines are:
“Choreography, costuming, and/or the use of dance themes such as rape, suicide, murder, sex, domestic violence, anorexia, and dark undertones chosen and/or presented to competition audiences with a lack of “artistic discretion” is considered inappropriate. The FDC appreciates the art form,
creativity and desire to heighten world awareness of these themes through dance but deem it inappropriate to present them to audiences that include children of every age. We recognize that this is extremely subjective and sensitive. Therefore, each competition will individually address these
performances as they surface at each particular event. An entry that is ultimately deemed inappropriate by an FDC competition will be adjudicated only. We urge all studio owners, teachers, and especially parents to keep performances thematically and choreographically appropriate.”

Therefore, any routine which our judges deem as inappropriate will be announced as ”Adjudicated Only”. This means that although the routine will receive its true adjudication level of Platinum, High Gold, Gold, High Silver, or Silver it will NOT be eligible for Top Score Awards. The performers in the routine will not have points deducted and will still get their well deserved adjudication award for their execution of the routine. However, the routine will
remain completely ineligible for Top Score consideration. This penalizes the routine for inappropriateness but NOT for the performance of the routine. We believe this is an important distinction because it is up to the Studio Owner and the Choreographer to insure that the routine is family oriented.

We encourage all choreographers to push boundaries but to also maintain a heightened awareness of who is in the audience. Appropriateness begins in the studio and StarQuest will do its best to help maintain it. We know that some of you may find the decision of the judges this season to be too lenient while others may find the judges too strict. Either way, we are resolved to improve the competition experience for everyone. Hopefully, we will begin to see immediate positive results.

I strongly support this competition for stating that it is up to the Studio, teachers, AND PARENTS to make sure what their kid is dancing is FAMILY appropriate.


So this does show that there are competitions that frown on what this group of girls did as a routine, as a whole - steps and costume.

Is this speaking to this particular performance or these are their guidelines in general?

 

[Darsa]

THESE ARE NORMAL HIP HOP DANCE MOVES.

Um... my DD dances hiphop, and she in no way dances in such a manner, even at 14. There's the "wave" thingie they do, and certainly the swinging of the hips, but as far as I know they're not at the point where they've got the sexually gyrating to/on the floor and thrusting of hips going on...

 

[luvmy3]

Judging by the routines on YouTube of Showstopper dance competition, you would need to be naked and actually simulating sex for it to be deemed too inapppropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6aSgtHIjsI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZaoks2LHWQ&feature=related

Here's one called Hanky Panky. Granted its older girls but its still Showstopper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QH4xZIDZ_c&feature=related


So yes, competitions do allow this kind of choreography no matter what it may say on their website.

 

[jen0610]

Is this speaking to this particular performance or these are their guidelines in general?

That is their guidelines for ALL dance styles - hip-hop, jazz, ballet, tap, modern, lyrical.

Um... my DD dances hiphop, and she in no way dances in such a manner, even at 14. There's the "wave" thingie they do, and certainly the swinging of the hips, but as far as I know they're not at the point where they've got the sexually gyrating to/on the floor and thrusting of hips going on...

I have to agree with you....the moves these girls were doing are not the only hip-hop moves. While my 13 year old does have 1 spot that they do a booty drop, they don't have their rear end pointed at the audiance, they are on an angle to the stage and it's boom-boom one time. If you blinked, you'd miss it. If you go back and look at these girls, they do the booty drop over 20 times.

 

[punkin]

Judging by the routines on YouTube of Showstopper dance competition, you would need to be naked and actually simulating sex for it to be deemed too inapppropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6aSgtHIjsI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZaoks2LHWQ&feature=related

Here's one called Hanky Panky. Granted its older girls but its still Showstopper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QH4xZIDZ_c&feature=related


So yes, competitions do allow this kind of choreography no matter what it may say on their website.

If you look at the clips, the girls are all wearing consumes similar in exposure: Open belly, short shorts and tights. Seems like it is almost a uniform.

 

[Mermaid02]

Good. Don't do it. It was appropriate for my daughter in the type of how they were doing.

Even though YOU called the outfit "Extremely revealing" you feel it was appropriate for your daughter to wear it on stage......... I have NOW heard it all.

 

[punkin]

Even though YOU called the outfit "Extremely revealing" you feel it was appropriate for your daughter to wear it on stage......... I have NOW heard it all.

It is revealing because it is tight, and low and high cut. Nevertheless it was appropriate to the show and the venue.

 

[Mermaid02]

So how does that make it right to make a comment such as "how many men were reaching for their wallet...."?


That comment was insulting to every man on this board and every man that has seen that performance.

I didn't make the comment about reaching for money- but I bet a lot of men were thinking they hadn't seen moves like that since they were at the strip club or possibly on pay per view.

 

[robinb]

Judging by the routines on YouTube of Showstopper dance competition, you would need to be naked and actually simulating sex for it to be deemed too inapppropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6aSgtHIjsI&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZaoks2LHWQ&feature=related

Here's one called Hanky Panky. Granted its older girls but its still Showstopper

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QH4xZIDZ_c&feature=related


So yes, competitions do allow this kind of choreography no matter what it may say on their website.

Meh. I thought the first one with the little girls was adorable. The other two were from the same dance studio (Dolce Dance Studio) and the problem was more with the song selection than anything else. ETA: I just watched a couple more videos from that studio and it seems to be a problem with the majority of their dance routines.

 

[luvmy3]

That is their guidelines for ALL dance styles - hip-hop, jazz, ballet, tap, modern, lyrical.

Clearly they don't follow their own guidelines, or they don't feel that these types of things are truly inappropritate for a dance competition.

 

[golfgal]

My daughter did dance when she was 4, it was really cute, they danced to "How much is that doggy in the window". She really liked it. We thought it was fun for her, until we say the spring show and the next year's group, the KINDERGARTNERS were dancing to bump and grind music. Um, no way, no how. That was the end of her dance career.