Alec Baldwin shoots/kills cinematographer and injured director after firing a "prop gun".

[Sinder]

Who is normally in charge of the ammo? Is the ammo- dummy and blank supppsed to be locked up when not in use?
Is her lawyer saying that she as the armorer left it just laying around? I’m not sure that helps paint her as a responsible competent armorer.
They also said that between 11 and 1 the firearm was left unattended.
This is after there were other incidents of the wrong ammo being in a gun.
There is nobody in that chain that gets to have part of the responsibility of Halyna’s death taken off of them.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I believe he was claiming something similar earlier, but the attorney for Hannah Gutierrez-Reed is claiming that the most likely reason must have been that someone intentionally placed live rounds in the same box as the dummy rounds.

This actually went through my mind very early on. Surprised this is just being voiced. People do very stupid things without thing them through.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

Far be it from me to defend Baldwin or a celebrity/philanthropist but if you become educated about a thing, then you come to develop an opinion about said thing. I think personal experience helps us all develop our mindset about things. For example, my brother ran for 24 hours in support of The Longest Day, a fundraising effort for Alzheimer's research. Would he have done it had my father not been diagnosed with it? Perhaps, but probably not. Of course I don't think less of him because he did an amazing thing that meant the world to us and my Mother.

If Baldwin, incorrectly, thought the practices on set were safe (because experts told him they were) and the people he hired were competent, then he's learned a ton just now.

I understand your point but I guess it is those in the spotlight who never practice philanthropy or get behind a cause that suddenly "get religion" when it happens to them. If someone like Sean Penn or Angelina J. were to bring forward another cause even if it was something that they learned about through personal experience it would not bother me and I would support them because they have always put their money where their mouth is. I am not referring to the everyday person, I get it when they start a fund or a charity from experience especially when it is personal.

 

[Pink Partridge]

Alec's daughter Ireland, who is 26 (her mom is Kim Basinger) apparently got roasted on social media over the weekend for wearing a fake blood spattered Halloween costume.

Something is very wrong with this entire family.

 

[bcla]

Well - Dwayne Johnson now vows that his production company will no longer use real guns any more.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/...movies-halyna-hutchins-death-rust-1235104627/​

Johnson, who has to handle firearms in “Red Notice,” says he will only use rubber guns on his sets, and will enforce that rule with any studio he is working with.​

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“I can’t speak for anyone else, but I can tell you, without an absence of clarity here, that any movie that we have moving forward with Seven Bucks Productions — any movie, any television show, or anything we do or produce — we won’t use real guns at all,” Johnson said to Variety.​

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“We’re going to switch over to rubber guns, and we’re going to take care of it in post,” he said. “We’re not going to worry about the dollars; we won’t worry about what it costs.”​

 

[JimMIA]

I also saw that the victim's family has hired a lawyer and is filing a wrongful death lawsuit. That's hardly a surprise.

 

[DLgal]

Well - Dwayne Johnson now vows that his production company will no longer use real guns any more.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/...movies-halyna-hutchins-death-rust-1235104627/​

Johnson, who has to handle firearms in “Red Notice,” says he will only use rubber guns on his sets, and will enforce that rule with any studio he is working with.​

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“I can’t speak for anyone else, but I can tell you, without an absence of clarity here, that any movie that we have moving forward with Seven Bucks Productions — any movie, any television show, or anything we do or produce — we won’t use real guns at all,” Johnson said to Variety.​

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“We’re going to switch over to rubber guns, and we’re going to take care of it in post,” he said. “We’re not going to worry about the dollars; we won’t worry about what it costs.”​

He's a real stand up guy so this doesn't surprise me. I wish more people in Hollywood were as down to earth as DJ. People over profits.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Hannah Gutierrez-Reid's lawyer is apparently saying that she loaded the gun with at least one live round, but didn't notice it because it was in a box with the dummy rounds. The lawyer is apparently alleging that someone slipped it into the box deliberately in order to "sabotage the production," on which there were already a couple of firearm incidents.

Is it usual for a competent set armorer to be able to tell the difference between a live round and a dummy round by looking at it or handling it? Isn't that part of her job? where did the dummy rounds come from? Part of the Brandon Lee incident was that the set armorer(s) were making their own dummy rounds.

 

[lifesavacation]

Well - Dwayne Johnson now vows that his production company will no longer use real guns any more.

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/...movies-halyna-hutchins-death-rust-1235104627/​

Johnson, who has to handle firearms in “Red Notice,” says he will only use rubber guns on his sets, and will enforce that rule with any studio he is working with.​

​

“I can’t speak for anyone else, but I can tell you, without an absence of clarity here, that any movie that we have moving forward with Seven Bucks Productions — any movie, any television show, or anything we do or produce — we won’t use real guns at all,” Johnson said to Variety.​

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“We’re going to switch over to rubber guns, and we’re going to take care of it in post,” he said. “We’re not going to worry about the dollars; we won’t worry about what it costs.”​

I wonder why it might cost more.

 

[kdonnel]

I wonder why it might cost more.

Rather than capturing the sights and sounds of the gun(s) going boom, those sights and sounds will have to be added digitally in post production. Done in a convincing manner it could significantly increase the budget.

 

[JaxDad]

I wonder why it might cost more.

Quality post production editing to digitally add objects and sound is not cheap.

 

[JaxDad]

Jinks!

 

[bcla]

Quality post production editing to digitally add objects and sound is not cheap.

I've seen budget special effects, and it can be pretty bad. Not everyone has Industrial Light & Magic or Digital Domain level of work.

The strange thing about ILM is that their history is more in practical effects. I went to a show in San Francisco showing the original costumes and models used in making the Star Wars movies. The matte paintings used in the backgrounds were amazing. I remember when JJ Abrams made Episode IV, he wanted to include as many practical effects as possible. A real gun is a practical effect, although I suppose they might be talking about using mechanical replicas that might appear to be cycling. Maybe someone can create something that spews out brass casings but can't load real ammo.

 

[jdb in AZ]

ABC's show the Rookie has banned real guns on set.

https://www.vulture.com/2021/10/abcs-the-rookie-bans-live-guns-on-set.html

 

[kdonnel]

With the move to airsoft/bb guns.....

It may be necessary to outfit all the actors and crew with eye protection.

 

[DLgal]

Hannah Gutierrez-Reid's lawyer is apparently saying that she loaded the gun with at least one live round, but didn't notice it because it was in a box with the dummy rounds. The lawyer is apparently alleging that someone slipped it into the box deliberately in order to "sabotage the production," on which there were already a couple of firearm incidents.

Is it usual for a competent set armorer to be able to tell the difference between a live round and a dummy round by looking at it or handling it? Isn't that part of her job? where did the dummy rounds come from? Part of the Brandon Lee incident was that the set armorer(s) were making their own dummy rounds.

If that is the case, she was careless. Yes, the dummy rounds have a hole drilled into them. She should have inspected every round she loaded into that gun. She would have noticed a live round if she was paying attention. That is literally her job.

 

[Sinder]

Hannah Gutierrez-Reid's lawyer is apparently saying that she loaded the gun with at least one live round, but didn't notice it because it was in a box with the dummy rounds. The lawyer is apparently alleging that someone slipped it into the box deliberately in order to "sabotage the production," on which there were already a couple of firearm incidents.

Is it usual for a competent set armorer to be able to tell the difference between a live round and a dummy round by looking at it or handling it? Isn't that part of her job? where did the dummy rounds come from? Part of the Brandon Lee incident was that the set armorer(s) were making their own dummy rounds.

I would assume that a competent armorer would definitely be able to tell, even if they didn't look on the bottom to see the rubber or hole where the primer would be. She should have done that, again especially since there was already an accidental discharge from a gun that was called "cold" on that set.
Dummy rounds don't have powder in them so their weight would be off compared to a real bullet. I'm sure it is possible for a green armorer or someone who hasn't handled bullets a lot wouldn't notice, but I bet her dad would have felt that it wasn't right when he picked up the live round.

 

[bcla]

I would assume that a competent armorer would definitely be able to tell, even if they didn't look on the bottom to see the rubber or hole where the primer would be. She should have done that, again especially since there was already an accidental discharge from a gun that was called "cold" on that set.
Dummy rounds don't have powder in them so their weight would be off compared to a real bullet. I'm sure it is possible for a green armorer or someone who hasn't handled bullets a lot wouldn't notice, but I bet her dad would have felt that it wasn't right when he picked up the live round.

I think a dummy round still needs to have the bullet extend out. Not sure exactly what they use to ensure the correct length, as the bullet packs the powder. I found this image of a .45 Long Colt bullet. Not sure if it's necked a little so that it seats against the case so that it doesn't go too far in.

However, it sounds like they were using purpose made dummy rounds complete with two holes drilled into each case. Those would be easy to tell, on top of the missing primer.

If they suspect that someone might have inserted live rounds into the box of dummy rounds to sabotage it, then maybe they've checked the case with the live round for fingerprints.

One thing is that dummy rounds generally don't get expended. They could go back into a normal tray. Not sure what they meant by a "box of ammo". It would be interesting if they were kept just loose. When I've gone target shooting with friends, there was always commercially produced ammo in a box with a plastic tray. Since they're all standing up with primer exposed, it should be easy to tell that they're dummies if they used regular trays.

 

[JimMIA]

If they suspect that someone might have inserted live rounds into the box of dummy rounds to sabotage it, then maybe they've checked the case with the live round for fingerprints.

And DNA -- you can often get DNA from fingerprints.

Problem is, having someone's fingerprint and/or DNA on the casing of the live round that killed someone doesn't prove anything malicious. It only proves they touched that round.

 

[leeniewdw]

Am I missing why the suggestion is that someone did it on purpose as opposed to being careless or negligent? Because if the "ammo" box was under the armorers complete control/care that it would show HER as being completely negligent? (which of course she was anyway) So the suggestion is that someone circumvented rules to purposely sabotage?