alcohol in MK

[Tonka's Skipper]

Call me naive, but for Walt it always seemed to be about money and with it. In other words other things seemed to matter too -- patriotism, family, innovation, creativity, originality. None of that matters a whit anymore.

Walt was the creative guy............did he want to make money, of course, but Brother Roy was the finance guy, that got the money together to allow them to do what Walt dreamed up.

All those things you mentioned does matter, people go to Disney parks to feel and see those things.

So why change the MK to serving alcohol for no reason other then to make a few happy??? The fact that they have limited it to only the BOG and inside the restaurant shows they knew they were on thin ice.

JMHO and many others for that matter.


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

If you know anything about Walt he really wasn't some kind of Saint. Something important in the 40s can easily change with the times. Just because it was important then doesn't mean it would be important now.

And really, how is it tainting your experience or any one else's in the parks? You don't see anyone walking around drinking. You aren't offered enough alcohol to get sloppy drunk. Walking around the parks looks exactly the same as it did 3 years ago.

This really isn't worthy of a 'think of the children!' moment you're making it out to be.

Saint...no........remarkable person, hero to millions,a icon etc., etc., etc....yes!


I respect the right to your opinion, but you have not presented 1 reason that makes alcohol a needed addition to the MK?

However its in...you folks and the Iger bean counters have won!

Its just such a shame to see the MK drift further away from its glory days, closer to Carnival parks Walt so hated.


AKK

 

[aaarcher86]

Saint...no........remarkable person, hero to millions,a icon etc., etc., etc....yes! I respect the right to your opinion, but you have not presented 1 reason that makes alcohol a needed addition to the MK? However its in...you folks and the Iger bean counters have won! Its just such a shame to see the MK drift further away from its glory days, closer to Carnival parks Walt so hated. AKK

I could personally care less if alcohol is in MK. I'm not much of a drinker and it's only something I'd have the option of partaking in 1/10 nights I'm there.

I really don't feel 'because Walt wouldn't want that' is a valid reason. Sorry. Is it necessary to add? No. Does it destroy the magic? No. Absolutely nothing changes for the park guest. Starbucks wasn't necessary either. Things change. At the end of it all, if Walt advanced his ideas of women, the disabled, and different races, I imagine a little alcohol in MK would really be small potatoes.

 

[Disfan1968]

No reason to change it is the bottom line!

There's an irony here in your use of the term "bottom line."

Some day someone will lay out for a Disney CEO just how much revenue full implementation of alcohol will provide. And this CEO, unlike past CEO's will be unable to resist.

Personally I'm fine with them selling it. But I am also fine without it. I don't NEEEED a drink. But I might like one.

 

[mrsbicewdw]

And it's been established that having beer and wine at dinner at Be Our Guest is nowhere near an "Epcot drunk fest" although I also disagree with the "Epcot drunk fest" characterization except possibly for weekends at the food & wine festival. The argument has been made before that having some limited alcoholic selections at Be Our Guest means more restaurants in MK will start having booze, and that will lead to booze being sold out in the open on Main Street and wild bacchanals in front of innocent children. Or not.

Sign me up for the first Main Street pub crawl!

Booze in MK doesn't bother me at all. Yes, Walt said he didn't want it. True. But Walt and Roy were also business men who kept up with the times. Who knows what they would have allowed if alive today? I enjoy the other parks for the fact I can have a drink if I want one, might not be everyday but usually a couple times during a trip. I enjoy food and wine too and do the "flights" in several countries.

 

[declansdad]

I gave my reasons and the facts that supported them..in any case....you won!.....its not going to change now.


AKK

Did someone put a gun to their heads and force them to make the change?

Come on, you can't say with any certainty that either brother wouldn't have made the change based on the business model of today.

 

[bangzoom6877]

There's an irony here in your use of the term "bottom line." Some day someone will lay out for a Disney CEO just how much revenue full implementation of alcohol will provide. And this CEO, unlike past CEO's will be unable to resist. Personally I'm fine with them selling it. But I am also fine without it. I don't NEEEED a drink. But I might like one.

I agree with this. It's all about the money. I could live with or without it as well. As far as the actual park experience, I don't see a problem having wine and beer available in a full service restaurant at dinner. They don't have it available at the CS lunch, so no one is running around the parks with a beer. Alcohol is always more expensive at TS restaurants also, so I don't think most people would have more than one or two. I really don't think we will see drunken rude people running around MK in the evenings any time soon. Rude people, yes...rude people who are also crazy drunk, no.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

There's an irony here in your use of the term "bottom line."

Some day someone will lay out for a Disney CEO just how much revenue full implementation of alcohol will provide. And this CEO, unlike past CEO's will be unable to resist.

Personally I'm fine with them selling it. But I am also fine without it. I don't NEEEED a drink. But I might like one.

Iger himself admits he's a next quarter, bottom line guy.....always has been and that is why its amazing he ever took the job. Disney Corporation is not like other corporations..............yes the bottom line is a big part of the equation, but the Disney corporation lives or dies on the Disney reputation and the Disney traditions, and his record in the American parks at least (and those are the only ones he really controls) has at best been hit or miss at best.

AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I agree with this. It's all about the money. I could live with or without it as well. As far as the actual park experience, I don't see a problem having wine and beer available in a full service restaurant at dinner. They don't have it available at the CS lunch, so no one is running around the parks with a beer. Alcohol is always more expensive at TS restaurants also, so I don't think most people would have more than one or two. I really don't think we will see drunken rude people running around MK in the evenings any time soon. Rude people, yes...rude people who are also crazy drunk, no.

With all due respect, You may want to take a look at Epcot most weekend nights and especially during F and W.

AKK

 

[mrsbicewdw]

With all due respect, You may want to take a look at Epcot most weekend nights and especially during F and W. AKK

What does Epcot during F&W have to do with ONE table service place serving wine and beer in MK? This is not a free for all. It is ONE place serving LOW alcohol content drinks that can NOT be taken out of the restaurant.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I could personally care less if alcohol is in MK. I'm not much of a drinker and it's only something I'd have the option of partaking in 1/10 nights I'm there.

I really don't feel 'because Walt wouldn't want that' is a valid reason. Sorry. Is it necessary to add? No. Does it destroy the magic? No. Absolutely nothing changes for the park guest. Starbucks wasn't necessary either. Things change. At the end of it all, if Walt advanced his ideas of women, the disabled, and different races, I imagine a little alcohol in MK would really be small potatoes.

As I said the traditions are what counts and to honor the wish's of a great man is plenty reason enough. specially as you pointed out, there is no reason to serve alcohol in the MK anyway.

Please you need to check your history. The rumors about Walt being a racist or a sexist or against the Jewish folks have long been disproven



AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

What does Epcot during F&W have to do with ONE table service place serving wine and beer in MK? This is not a free for all. It is ONE place serving LOW alcohol content drinks that can NOT be taken out of the restaurant.

Your own statement was about pubs on Main street and doing a crawl, which leads to the expansion of sales in the MK, which would lead to the drunken parades we see at epcot now.

Just making a point

AKK

 

[Le Soque Puppet]

As I said the traditions are what counts and to honor the wish's of a great man is plenty reason enough. specially as you pointed out, there is no reason to serve alcohol in the MK anyway

Hey yeah but, wasn't Club 33 in Disneyland a Walt original? On which he lavished lotsa personal attention? About which lotsa Disney traditionalists are flipping their wigs 'cause its changing? And wasn't that Club 33 a place where Walt himself brought cronies and sponsors? And hasn't it served alchohol since the day it opened?

 

[Mr Stoat]

How could they let standards slip so low? They will be selling chewing gum next; mark my words.

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Walt liked a cocktail. In fact he liked a lot of cocktails. I think he liked Scotch. He didn't want aggressive beer distributors and a "carny" atmosphere at Disneyland. Selling beer and wine with dinner at BOG, an indoor sit-down restaurant, where the beverages are not permitted to leave the restaurant, has not resulted in a "carny" atmosphere. Walt might have been OK with that. We'll never know.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Hey yeah but, wasn't Club 33 in Disneyland a Walt original? On which he lavished lotsa personal attention? About which lotsa Disney traditionalists are flipping their wigs 'cause its changing? And wasn't that Club 33 a place where Walt himself brought cronies and sponsors? And hasn't it served alchohol since the day it opened?

Yes it was and is. However it was not a open to any park guest. It was a private club that, if there was space, you paid to join and only members and guests of members were allowed in.\

I also am pretty sure it's adults only. You entered though a simple door in New Orleans square and took a elevator up to the club on the 2nd floor.

It is also amazingly expensive.

The last I heard the waiting list to join was years long.

DL has no alcohol served within the park.

AKK

 

[Le Soque Puppet]

Walt liked a cocktail. In fact he liked a lot of cocktails. I think he liked Scotch.

That's so not true. Walt only drank juice or milk and extolled the virtues of clean living. The only reason you saw smoke around him is because he was always waving around small incense burners, because he was very diligent in sanctifying the park and exorcising demons.

 

[Le Soque Puppet]

Yes it was and is. However it was not a open to any park guest. It was a private club that, if there was space, you paid to join and only members and guests of members were allowed in.\

I also am pretty sure it's adults only.

It is also amazingly expensive.

The last I heard the waiting list to join was years long.

DL has no alcohol served within the park.

AKK

I'm pretty sure Be Our Guest is in the Magic Kingdom the same way Club 33 is in Disneyland, within the walls of a building entirely within the footprint of the park. How does the fact that it was a members only club change the fact that alcohol was being served within a Disney park, something you said categorically Walt would've never abided?

 

[ElizabethB]

I, for one, can't wait for pot smoking at MK. Just sayin'

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Walt liked a cocktail. In fact he liked a lot of cocktails. I think he liked Scotch. He didn't want aggressive beer distributors and a "carny" atmosphere at Disneyland. Selling beer and wine with dinner at BOG, an indoor sit-down restaurant, where the beverages are not permitted to leave the restaurant, has not resulted in a "carny" atmosphere. Walt might have been OK with that. We'll never know.

Walt did like Scotch, but was not heavy drinker. He drank mostly what was called a *scotch mist*, mostly soda water and a little scotch ad ice.

Due to a polo neck injury back in the day, he had a great deal of neck pain by 1700 hours in the afternoon. His secretary, whose name I don't remember, would make him a drink and then give him a neck rub. It was supposed to relieve much of the pain.

He never gave an indication that he would have allowed alcohol in DL. The books and stories I have read list one of the reasons he had the Club 33 so removed from main DL park, was because of his desire not to have alcohol available in the park.

AKK