alcohol in MK

[declansdad]

They are indeed spinning in there graves.........no need for alcohol in the MK!

AKK

Just what has it hurt?

 

[MakiraMarlena]

How does it ruin the family feel if they serve beer and wine at dinner in one restaurant and it never leaves the restaurant? It's too expensive for anyone to have more than one or two glasses anyway. Nobody's leaving BOG blitzed and staggering that I've heard. Not seeing any stories at all like I have regarding Epcot.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Just what has it hurt?

Maybe we can just honor the Man and his wish's.........there is no reason to change the tradition.

Many people have repeatedly said here and other places they feel the tradition should be continued as well.

Why do it?....plenty of restaurants/bars in other parks and areas of WDW to enjoy a drink. I do as well........No reason to force this change, no reason at all!

AKK

 

[MakiraMarlena]

It wasn't forced. and it's been going on for nearly 3 years without any indication of problems.

 

[declansdad]

Maybe we can just honor the Man and his wish's.........there is no reason to change the tradition.

Many people have repeatedly said here and other places they feel the tradition should be continued as well.

Why do it?....plenty of restaurants/bars in other parks and areas of WDW to enjoy a drink. I do as well........No reason to force this change, no reason at all!

AKK

Business models change to meet the wants of the customers. Obviously this is something people wanted to see.

 

[aaarcher86]

Maybe we can just honor the Man and his wish's.........there is no reason to change the tradition. Many people have repeatedly said here and other places they feel the tradition should be continued as well. Why do it?....plenty of restaurants/bars in other parks and areas of WDW to enjoy a drink. I do as well........No reason to force this change, no reason at all! AKK

Honestly, does anyone really know what Walt would have done or wanted as times progress? If it's a good business decision, I have to think it would have been considered.

 

[declansdad]

Honestly, does anyone really know what Walt would have done or wanted as times progress? If it's a good business decision, I have to think it would have been considered.

The answer to your question is nobody can really say what he would have done.

But that doesn't stop some people from thinking that they know what he would do.

 

[aaarcher86]

The answer to your question is nobody can really say what he would have done. But that doesn't stop some people from thinking that they know what he would do.

True story.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Honestly, does anyone really know what Walt would have done or wanted as times progress? If it's a good business decision, I have to think it would have been considered.

Sorry, this was important to them both, if you now anything of Walt's History, you would know he never let a business practice get in the way of his feeling and how he wanted things done. We have his repeated strong feelings about this and no evidence to say he would change. it.

Not to mention the MK is not hurting for profits or attendance.

Why drag the MK closer to being a 6 flags or even Epcot drunk fest..there is simply no reason to!

AKK

 

[MakiraMarlena]

And it's been established that having beer and wine at dinner at Be Our Guest is nowhere near an "Epcot drunk fest" although I also disagree with the "Epcot drunk fest" characterization except possibly for weekends at the food & wine festival.

The argument has been made before that having some limited alcoholic selections at Be Our Guest means more restaurants in MK will start having booze, and that will lead to booze being sold out in the open on Main Street and wild bacchanals in front of innocent children. Or not.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

The answer to your question is nobody can really say what he would have done.

But that doesn't stop some people from thinking that they know what he would do.

I disagree, I know the history and gave you good reasons and you have nothing to say they would even consider a change.

No reason to change it is the bottom line!

I really don't understand why your concerned....it's in the BOG now, its not likely to change back now. You won!


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

It wasn't forced. and it's been going on for nearly 3 years without any indication of problems.

Yes is was forced, another example of Iger and his merry band of bean counters forcing the change (adding alcohol) into the MK and not respecting the Disney spirit and traditions.......Anything to add a buck or two..........It shows they continue to have no idea what Disney is about.

AKK

 

[MakiraMarlena]

Forced on whom? Walt and Roy are dead.

I don't think it's that big a deal even if it is what Walt wanted.

They tried having a totally dry park at Disneyland Paris too...that didn't last.

 

[ElizabethB]

The prohibition on alcohol in MK was breached for exactly the reason Tonka's Skipper cites -- money! Absolutely nothing at WDW or Disneyland is sacred anymore. The almighty dollar rules -- Iger and his "merry band" care not a whit for anything else, IMO.

Having said all this, the quiet introduction of wine and beer at BOG has not caused me any grief. We went once to the restaurant and I had a glass of wine. No biggie. The restaurant is a one-time visit, IMO. See the spectacle, eat an okay meal and I'm done. I won't go back. So the money motive didn't really work in my case. The fact that I can have a glass of wine doesn't make me want to go back for a meal that was only fair and ended with -- a cupcake for heaven sakes.

What I do think is shameful -- and I suspect Walt would agree -- are the roving bands of young men drinking yards of beer on weekends at the F&W Festival. Dh and I have seen guests and CMs nearly come to blows with rude drunk guests being pretty much unmanageable. As a result, we NEVER go to the Festival on Friday or Saturday evenings. This is, I think, precisely, the kind of disgusting drunken behavior that Walt didn't want in his parks.

Oh well. He's dead as others have so helpfully pointed out.

 

[Squirlz]

Yes is was forced, another example of Iger and his merry band of bean counters forcing the change (adding alcohol) into the MK and not respecting the Disney spirit and traditions.......Anything to add a buck or two..........It shows they continue to have no idea what Disney is about.

AKK

It's about making money! You must know that.

 

[ElizabethB]

Call me naive, but for Walt it always seemed to be about money and with it. In other words other things seemed to matter too -- patriotism, family, innovation, creativity, originality. None of that matters a whit anymore.

 

[Uncleromulus]

The prohibition on alcohol in MK was breached for exactly the reason Tonka's Skipper cites -- money! Absolutely nothing at WDW or Disneyland is sacred anymore. The almighty dollar rules -- Iger and his "merry band" care not a whit for anything else, IMO.

Having said all this, the quiet introduction of wine and beer at BOG has not caused me any grief. We went once to the restaurant and I had a glass of wine. No biggie. The restaurant is a one-time visit, IMO. See the spectacle, eat an okay meal and I'm done. I won't go back. So the money motive didn't really work in my case. The fact that I can have a glass of wine doesn't make me want to go back for a meal that was only fair and ended with -- a cupcake for heaven sakes.

What I do think is shameful -- and I suspect Walt would agree -- are the roving bands of young men drinking yards of beer on weekends at the F&W Festival. Dh and I have seen guests and CMs nearly come to blows with rude drunk guests being pretty much unmanageable. As a result, we NEVER go to the Festival on Friday or Saturday evenings. This is, I think, precisely, the kind of disgusting drunken behavior that Walt didn't want in his parks.

Oh well. He's dead as others have so helpfully pointed out.

As long as BOG strictly adheres to the alcohol only IN the restaurant (and they don't have a dedicated bar in there?) the drinking would be WITH a meal. So I doubt we'll see any drunken park behavior.

However--if that ever changes------

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

It's about making money! You must know that.

Of course it is ,but not at the expense of the Disney EXPREINCE and MAGIC and PIXIE DUST. The Disney reputation is what bring people back. Disney lives and grows on those items. Iger hopingly has finally woken up to that, but he is a next quarters bottom line guy. I believe that is why he is leaving in any case.

Disney parks has been hurt and he knows he is the reason.........best he runs away and hides now.


AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Forced on whom? Walt and Roy are dead.

I don't think it's that big a deal even if it is what Walt wanted.

They tried having a totally dry park at Disneyland Paris too...that didn't last.

I gave my reasons and the facts that supported them..in any case....you won!.....its not going to change now.


AKK

 

[aaarcher86]

Sorry, this was important to them both, if you now anything of Walt's History, you would know he never let a business practice get in the way of his feeling and how he wanted things done. We have his repeated strong feelings about this and no evidence to say he would change. it. Not to mention the MK is not hurting for profits or attendance. Why drag the MK closer to being a 6 flags or even Epcot drunk fest..there is simply no reason to! AKK

If you know anything about Walt he really wasn't some kind of Saint. Something important in the 40s can easily change with the times. Just because it was important then doesn't mean it would be important now.

And really, how is it tainting your experience or any one else's in the parks? You don't see anyone walking around drinking. You aren't offered enough alcohol to get sloppy drunk. Walking around the parks looks exactly the same as it did 3 years ago.

This really isn't worthy of a 'think of the children!' moment you're making it out to be.