agree to disagree? gray areas everywhere

[2disneyboys]

This whole thread is like a car accident... you don't want to look but you cant help it. It makes me think of a dog chaseing after his own tail. Does he ever catch it?

 

[C.Ann]

This whole thread is like a car accident... you don't want to look but you cant help it. It makes me think of a dog chaseing after his own tail. Does he ever catch it?

LOL..

All I know is that I don't "mess with the law".. I'm a scaredy cat..

 

[Danibelle]

LOL..

All I know is that I don't "mess with the law".. I'm a scaredy cat..

It's hard to know what the OP is intending. OP might want to check the federal jury page. It is a lot more stringent than serving on a state or county jury.

 

[jrmasm]

Here is the PA statute:http://law.onecle.com/pennsylvania/judiciary-and-judicial-procedure/00.045.003.000.html

Here are the Federal rules:
http://www.uscourts.gov/FederalCourts/JuryService/JurorQualificaitons.aspxDemonstrating 'undue hardship or extreme inconvenience' is subjective.* Just because a judge disagrees with you doesn't mean they are abusing their power.

 

[badblackpug]

Interesting thread, though i'll admit that I skipped about 20 pages...
Here's my 2 cents: I would not serve being a SAHM unless it happened to fall on a day that I knew I had childcare (ex. Mom happens to be on vacation that week), which is unlikely. I don't have "back-up" child care. What is that, anyway? A back up in case I am called to serve once every 3 or 4 years? Who is going to commit to being around for that? Daycares around here aren't going to take a child or two for one day. I have used my husband or mother in emergencies (I was too sick to take care of kids, one kid was in the hospital, etc). Jury duty - not an emergency and I would never ask anyone to take a day out of their work so that I could serve. It can wait a few years (5, 10? whatever it takes) until I have a job that I can leave for a day or more, and right now, leaving the kids is not an option.
I have served while in college. I was not happy about that one because I did not live in the state, could not vote there, could not get in-state tuition, etc. Made no sense to me. I did defer it until the summer, because I was in classes at the date they had originally given. Thankfully, I wasn't picked and wasn't there very long that day. Interestingly, I have never been called in my own state. But if they would not excuse me, I would absolutely be bringing my kids with me. And then leaving at noon to bring DS to kindergarten. And leaving at 3 to pick them up from the bus...

This absolutely takes the cake. What a sense of entitlement! My goodness, to think he whole U.S. justice system revolves around you and your kids. It's a wonder so many people characterize children as self important "snowflakes." To think that you would actually send the message to your children that your wants and their wants are more important than someone else's rights. I have 4 children ages 13 - 1y, I work full time nights, I have an elderly mother who lives with us, and a husband who works 60+ hours a week. We are both in health care and have jobs that are "essential," but have never asked for, received, or expected any special treatment as far as performing our civic duty. We suck it up, put on our big boy/girl panties and shoulder our responsibility. As I said before, I don't enjoy jury duty, it is a huge hassle schedule-wise, as well as a financial loss, I wasn't disappointed last time when my number wasn't called, and I wouldn't be hurt if I was never called again, however, if I am called, I will do the responsible adult thing and report. I realize the world doesn't revolve around me.

 

[princessmom29]

sorry, but this is ridiculous. Bottom line:
YOU are responsible for serving on jury duty when required to. You are nto special, unique, queen of the world because you are a SAHM. YOU are responsible for finding alternate arrangments for your children in order to do so. It doesn't matter if it is inconvinent for you or not. It is a civic duty and required of ALL citizens, yes even you. So suck it up, foot the bill for childcare, and do what you are REQUIRED BY LAW to do. Iti s every citizen's responsibility to serve when called, end of story. If you don't like it, move.

 

[Kathi OD]

 

[Michelle and crew]

sorry, but this is ridiculous. Bottom line:
YOU are responsible for serving on jury duty when required to. You are nto special, unique, queen of the world because you are a SAHM. YOU are responsible for finding alternate arrangments for your children in order to do so. It doesn't matter if it is inconvinent for you or not. It is a civic duty and required of ALL citizens, yes even you. So suck it up, foot the bill for childcare, and do what you are REQUIRED BY LAW to do. Iti s every citizen's responsibility to serve when called, end of story. If you don't like it, move.

lol, Many courts see it differently. So deal with it. It is required. It is also possible to defer it. So, suck it up, yourself. If you don't like it, move. I'm sure you can find a more militant place to live.

 

[Michelle and crew]

lol.

Love your signature.

 

[Leajess99]

You stated you were dual military and gave examples about the NCO's that you worked for being accomodating to your scheduling (even though by your own example it wouldnt have been necessary as at the time you would have been exempt). You also mentioned base daycare, which again only applies to those in or attached to a military member (which I assume is your current state) and is neither applicable for most, nor as easy to use as I have seen from my own example.

Chime in all you want, just thought it was an odd statement given your position as a servicemember at the time and that your advice wouldnt help the majority of those reading it. You also apparantly know multiple judges and how they would react...

I WAS dual militarybut I am NOT in the military now. My NCOs were NOT very accomodating to "my schedule? thus the reason I stated my mother moved here. I think you are confusing several posters together. I can use base daycare still IF I wanted to which I don't as it is 15 miles or so away from my house and my youngest has NEVER been in daycare. Nothing wrong with it but why waste the money as I am a SAHM/Disabled Vet now. Our daycare center and the ones from the bases/posts I have been on do require registration (I would think all daycares require prior registration as they have to verify shots and such even for drop ins) but they also have hourly or drop in rooms as they know several parents need the flexibility. The one here also has night care on certain dates close to Christmas so parents can go shopping or just go out. We also have deploying units so they do what they can so the spouses left behind have places for the kids. The school age kids are cared for at a completely separate building. I used the daycare here for 6 years and the school aged building for 2 of those 6 as I had 2 kids at the time.

I know how the judges here operate and would react. We have a woman judge who does not feel it is her duty to make arrangements for your (not specifically you but general you) children so you can perform jury duty. She has always made sure her kids were taken care of and seems to feel everyone else should do the same. The one male judge is a serious butthead and honestly I would never want to be in his court room.

 

[pweyl36]

Sorry no childcare is not a valid excuse.
If you have no options you are not a very good parent now are you?

You have never researched options in the event of an emergency?
Or are so broke that serving on a jury would mean your kids would go hungry?

I think there should only be excused absences for illness, child illness, care of disabled parent, etc.

Every sahm I know has childcare options, just in case.

Well said!

 

[kaytieeldr]

And if the courts see it differently - that the claim of being the sole caretaker of very young children with absolutely no alternatives is a valid reason to defer/delay jury duty - I don't think anybody here has any complaints or issues about that. But it's not up to us as individual citizens called for jury duty to simply decide that our respective circumstances should automatically or naturally exempt us from serving.

I'm sure a judge forced to take such a drastic measure as holding a potential juror in contempt, or contacting CPS to care for children brought to the courthouse on the day the parent had to appear for jury duty, does so only as a very last resort.

 

[blondietink]

This thread is like the Energizer bunny ... it keeps going and going and going. Hopefully soon it will be gone.

 

[Michelle and crew]

This thread is like the Energizer bunny ... it keeps going and going and going. Hopefully soon it will be gone.

This is the song that never ends,
Yes, it goes on and on, my friends.
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
and they'll continue singing it forever just because...

 

[dogluva]

A waste of time, money, and resources just to be pissy. I'm glad you have an overflow of foster parents, no abused children, and an empty jail with plenty of cash to blow. We dont. Nor do we have any judges that would think it appropriate.

Nor is it appropriate to bring your children to jury duty, never mind LEAVE to bring them to Kindergarten and then leave again to pick them up. How ridiculous.

 

[dogluva]

I'm sure it would be frowned upon. But that is my life. I can't pretend I don't have people that i'm responsible for, just because it is inconvenient to a court...

I served on a jury when my daughter was in half day Kindergarten. I made arragnements since I had plenty of time to do so. You couldn't do that? Or is that too much of an inconvenience for you? Really, you have not made a friend in your child's class that he/she could go to after school? Could your daughter miss school for a day? Really, it seems like you don't want to be inconvienced or change your routine to do your civic duty. You are really not th only one with children. Sometimes we have to deal with things that come our way. And yes, that means finding someone one to watch our kids. I can't imagine not having ANYONE to take care of your children that you trust. Not very responsible IMO.

 

[dogluva]

This absolutely takes the cake. What a sense of entitlement! My goodness, to think he whole U.S. justice system revolves around you and your kids. It's a wonder so many people characterize children as self important "snowflakes." To think that you would actually send the message to your children that your wants and their wants are more important than someone else's rights. I have 4 children ages 13 - 1y, I work full time nights, I have an elderly mother who lives with us, and a husband who works 60+ hours a week. We are both in health care and have jobs that are "essential," but have never asked for, received, or expected any special treatment as far as performing our civic duty. We suck it up, put on our big boy/girl panties and shoulder our responsibility. As I said before, I don't enjoy jury duty, it is a huge hassle schedule-wise, as well as a financial loss, I wasn't disappointed last time when my number wasn't called, and I wouldn't be hurt if I was never called again, however, if I am called, I will do the responsible adult thing and report. I realize the world doesn't revolve around me.

BRAVO. I also found this post absurd and insulting to those of us who actually did make arrangements and also had "special snowflakes" that we are responsible for and who also need to be picked up and dropped off. Oh, wait, maybe her special snowflake is way more special than ours. That is why she should be excused and we will just have to suck it up and serve.

 

[dogluva]

sorry, but this is ridiculous. Bottom line:
YOU are responsible for serving on jury duty when required to. You are nto special, unique, queen of the world because you are a SAHM. YOU are responsible for finding alternate arrangments for your children in order to do so. It doesn't matter if it is inconvinent for you or not. It is a civic duty and required of ALL citizens, yes even you. So suck it up, foot the bill for childcare, and do what you are REQUIRED BY LAW to do. Iti s every citizen's responsibility to serve when called, end of story. If you don't like it, move.

Well said.

 

[Jaime4004]

Well go ahead and try that and let us know how it works out for you. It's easy to say you'll do this preposterous thing and another to actually have the nerve to do it.

Yeah, i'll let you know...

 

[Jaime4004]

This absolutely takes the cake. What a sense of entitlement! My goodness, to think he whole U.S. justice system revolves around you and your kids. It's a wonder so many people characterize children as self important "snowflakes." To think that you would actually send the message to your children that your wants and their wants are more important than someone else's rights. I have 4 children ages 13 - 1y, I work full time nights, I have an elderly mother who lives with us, and a husband who works 60+ hours a week. We are both in health care and have jobs that are "essential," but have never asked for, received, or expected any special treatment as far as performing our civic duty. We suck it up, put on our big boy/girl panties and shoulder our responsibility. As I said before, I don't enjoy jury duty, it is a huge hassle schedule-wise, as well as a financial loss, I wasn't disappointed last time when my number wasn't called, and I wouldn't be hurt if I was never called again, however, if I am called, I will do the responsible adult thing and report. I realize the world doesn't revolve around me.

So apparently you have someone to watch your kids, that's great for you.
For me, my world does absolutely revolve around my kids. And being that I am the only one who is home with the during the day, I have to be there. Not sure why that bothers you so much.